people who believe radfems are just “women with opinions” and not the sum of their very harmful belief systems are the reason why so many are blind to the nazi dogwhistles entrenched in terf ideology. boiling the issue down to “women with opinions” is a way of calling misogyny where there is none in order to halt all arguments against what they’re truly saying. essentially, it’s a strawman designed to derail a legitimate criticism of their beliefs and the damage those beliefs cause people.
what Nazi dogwhistle are “entrenched” in radical feminism?
it is honestly so absurd and sad that someone would think of a bunch of (exclusively) women, would be violent and comparable to nazis. It’s honestly so effing disrespectful. People who fought the nazis would be disgusted and abhorred to hear you compare a group of women who want to retain language to name ourselves and to retain and build our rights and dignity, to that disgusting regime. You should be ashamed of yourself.
ah yes, blatant shaming with no real argument or defense. this is brilliant! It’s like the condescending “I’m not mad I’m just disappointed” speech given by parents to their six year olds lol. clearly trying to claim a moral high ground, virtue signaling, attempting one of the oldest recruitment tactics in the book, attempting to devalue my word, and then attempting to once again do the same thing I stated above. which is create a strawman that derails the real argument, avoids criticism, and undersells the entire situation and argument at hand as a way to “defend” a lesser argument that they actually can manage. which is of course completely irrelevant to what is really being said about the real basis of radical feminism. that’s how you avoid a debate you know you can’t win, folks. you just start a smaller one that you’ve engineered in your favor.
compare a group of women who want to retain language to name ourselves and to retain and build our rights and dignity, to that disgusting regime.
see this? this is redefining the movement. it’s a broad generalization of what terfs argue based on how terfs see themselves and want to be seen, which means it’s a biased generalization of the terf movement, coated in pretty words to make it sound appealing to both themselves and susceptible onlookers.
this is the hook.
it’s a means of signaling to others a moral stance they would find agreeable, to mask the finer details of radical feminism which seek to harm, outcast, and demean women. by making it appear milder and more helpful than it is, they create a moral panic and have a decent little shield to hide behind when the real criticism hits. you can bring down all the evidence in the world of them causing direct harm and they’ll still pull this out of their asses, only with increasingly offensive terms as the façade drops.
@deepgreenrad you do realize that there have been actual nazi dogwhistles within terf rhetoric for years now? do some research. and if it’s so horrifying perhaps you should take a good look at where you stand in all of these issues.
also “exclusively women”
where?
where, when I have seen countless men, who are usually right wingers, buddying up with terfs, sharing their viewpoints, quoting them and their dog whistles, etc?
terfs can argue all they want that those men “aren’t radfems” but they are still using their exact talking points and hyping up terf content.
but terfs can’t acknowledge that part, bc then their argument that any criticism of these talking points is purely out of hate for women falls apart.
There were literal neo Nazis at the terf demo in the UK yesterday.
The terfs stole a progress flag from protesting trans supporters and cut out the triangular section that makes up the trans rep, intersex rep, and black/brown lgbt people rep.
Yup I shared that picture.
Disgusting. Racist and intersexphobic along with the obvious transphobia. Unsurprisingly the woman on the left is the author of a transphobic book and, as far as anyone is aware, is cishet 🙃
And yeah I’m not surprised at all about neo-nazis. They very regularly buddy up with terfs, at these kind of rallies and in general.
Assuming for the moment that these questions are being asked in good faith (a fairly weak assumption, given the source), here’s a non-exhaustive list of elements of TERF ideology that either are Nazi dogwhistles on their own or are easily co-opted by Nazis:
- There is a group of people who, as a whole, are biologically distinct from us and a threat to us as a group of people.
- The threat they pose is both tangible (a threat to our physical safety due to their propensity for violence, including sexual violence) and intangible (a threat to our conceptions of morality, ourselves, and how the world operates).
- Our understanding of the world is correct, unbiased, and scientific. Science is straightforward and uncomplicated.
- The greatest and most immediate threat that they pose is sexual violence. Any co-mingling of them with us is dangerous: either they will outright rape us, or they will do so in a roundabout way by hiding their true natures from us to dupe us into relationships with them.
- They are also a threat to our children: children exposed to them or their ideas or the concept of their existence will be seduced into their lifestyle if not outright molested by them.
- The threat is innate to them biologically, rather than the result of choices made by individuals.
- It is not always immediately apparent if a person is part of this dangerous group. While they never can truly be us, and their attempts at disguise are offensive, they can successfully infiltrate our group by pretending to be one of us.
- One way you can determine if a person is a member of this dangerous group, rather than a true member of our group, is by examining their facial features/bones. Any person who does not adhere to a very specific phenotypical aesthetic is inherently suspect, particularly if they have non-White Western European facial features like larger noses.
- There is something dirty or tainted about both this group and anyone who associates with them, even people nominally part of our group. People part of our group who associate with them are traitors.
- We need to be completely separated from them, in an entirely homogeneous group, in order to be safe. This doesn’t mean we want to kill them! All we’re asking for is the right of self-determination and the ability to have a space that’s just for us. This is a defensive move to protect us from them.
neither of the terfs are deactivated yet and @deepgreenrad may also be a nazi
They openly refer to trans people as monstrous, so if they ain’t a Nazi, you could swap ‘em in a recipe.