calling what is happening to trans people in the south an attempt at genocide: correct and ok. it's going to get worse if we don't fight back now

comparing it to the holocaust: not ok and also i'm fucking blocking you.

no genocide is the same. not every genocide mirrors the holocaust. using the deaths of jews, lgbt people, disabled people, and poc during the holocaust as your "gotcha" card every time our rights are in danger today proves you know nothing about the history you're talking about.

also, if you are truly so hard pressed to bring up nazi germany into the discussion of trans rights being targeted in america, talk about what happened to gay and trans people under the regime. talk about how they destroyed our institutions. talk about how they burned our books. talk about the eerily familiar language they used to describe us (see "seduction of youth" and "recruitment")

but as a trans jew, i am telling you that if you're looking at a current social issue and thinking "hmm who are the nazis and who are the jews in this situation" then you're doing it wrong and you're doing it dangerously.

For that matter, look into how the queerphobia and antisemitism were intertwined. Look into how the reason they hated Magnus Hirschfeld's work so much was because he was not just validating queerness, but a Jewish scientist validating queerness. Look into how this created a feedback loop in the nazi mind that accepting queerness - sorry, ~sexual deviance~ - was enabling the ~Jewish menace~, and that Jews are sexually ~deviant~ and predatory.

Examine this, then use this understanding to beat the importance of solidarity into your head. Realize that when they can associate a negative stereotype with more than one marginalized group, they're going to feedback loop it around all of us, unless they can come up with competing stereotypes to keep us fighting each other and doing their work.

Btw - a huge part of the reason the word "genocide" exists is so that we CAN describe targeted attempts to eliminate a population without trying to make 1:1 comparisons to the holocaust (or any other specific genocide, for that matter); so that we can learn from historical incidents WITHOUT erasing the unique distinguishing factors, and in doing so failing to learn from those distinctions on top of disrespecting the victims and survivors.

ALSO FOR FUCK’S SAKE: talk about how the german nazis learned a lot of their shit studying american racists. 

america isn’t IMPORTING nazis. genocidal fascism is not FOREIGN CONCEPT. it’s homegrown. it’s locally sourced. it’s from here. it’s by us. it’s as american as apple pie.

you wanna talk about the holocaust so fuckin bad, you acknowledge america’s long, long, long history of murdering jews, blacks, browns, queers, and cripples right in your backyard.

#SO FED UP WITH THIS#'this is just like germany--'#it's like here. it's like now. this is how we fucking DO. (via@roach-works)

Just to make this very, very clear. Every act of referring to any form of sexuality as degenerate is nazi rhetoric. Not like “oh crypto fash dogwhistle”, no I mean actual NSDAP politics that were used to put us in concentration camps.

It doesn’t matter if you mean only kinksters or whatever. You are still using their rhetoric and to do so while claiming to advocate for us is at best severely misguided, at worst actively vile.

Do not, under any circumstance, spread the use of ideas to describe sexuality that have been coined to eradicate us.

Do not normalize the way nazis referred to us, just by picking another target. You are still empowering the people who want to put us against the wall.

To clarify this for people who just don’t get it: degenerate does not just mean “gross”. It means “showing decline from a higher civilization”. Ask yourself – really ask yourself - what the fuck that could possibly mean in the context of sexuality.

Do you really think that two people doing cringey roleplay are a part of a broader trend that is undermining Western civilization? Do you really want to associate with people who do?

More to the point, do you really want to feed into the rhetoric that the main threat we’re facing is “the decline of Western civilization” in the first place? Who else are people concerned might be “undermining the West”? Who else are you implicitly singling out as your enemy by perpetuating a narrative in which (white) “Western” influence is falling across the board, and in which that’s an existentially bad thing?

This is like Nazi rhetoric 101, guys, and you need to stop uncritically parroting it, holy shit.

A particularly nasty side to antisemitism — it’s been part of Ye’s message recently though it is by no means unique to him — is this implication that they’re just the ones saying out loud what the rest of us are thinking. And I just want to say, unequivocally, fuck you. You don’t get to claim me. You don’t get to use me as a bullet against people I care about. It’s not what I think, and I’m confident it’s not what any of my friends think because if I wasn’t confident, they wouldn’t be my friends. I’m not silently agreeing with you — I’m VOCALLY disagreeing with you. Your beliefs are pathetic. Go fuck yourself.

Absolutely hilarious that Kanye goes public as a Nazi and implies that everyone is a Nazi secretly and two of the large, public facing following areas literally say "Actually no we don't"

'men steal your divine female goddess energy and lower your hollistic chakra vibrations when you fuck so you should save yourself for marriage'

Imma go ahead and put my periodic reminder here that, when the Nazi party was getting rolling in Germany, they recruited from both occult and skeptic communities.  The common thread between the two is the desire to be part of a special group with privileged access to hidden knowledge.  

(Read about this in a book called Hitler’s Monsters, which--as I always say--I was expecting to be much more lurid, but it was interesting.)

Quick note about Hitler's Monsters, it can be a bit much for people that aren't already familiar with the relationship between Nazism and the occult. It's working from Nicholas Goodrick-Clarks "The Occult Roots of Nazism." Which methodically covers the 50+ year lead up to the rise of Nazism, and might be a better starting point for people who want to learn about this.

people who believe radfems are just “women with opinions” and not the sum of their very harmful belief systems are the reason why so many are blind to the nazi dogwhistles entrenched in terf ideology. boiling the issue down to “women with opinions” is a way of calling misogyny where there is none in order to halt all arguments against what they’re truly saying. essentially, it’s a strawman designed to derail a legitimate criticism of their beliefs and the damage those beliefs cause people. 

what Nazi dogwhistle are “entrenched” in radical feminism?

it is honestly so absurd and sad that someone would think of a bunch of (exclusively) women, would be violent and comparable to nazis. It’s honestly so effing disrespectful. People who fought the nazis would be disgusted and abhorred to hear you compare a group of women who want to retain language to name ourselves and to retain and build our rights and dignity, to that disgusting regime. You should be ashamed of yourself. 

ah yes, blatant shaming with no real argument or defense. this is brilliant! It’s like the condescending “I’m not mad I’m just disappointed” speech given by parents to their six year olds lol. clearly trying to claim a moral high ground, virtue signaling, attempting one of the oldest recruitment tactics in the book, attempting to devalue my word, and then attempting to once again do the same thing I stated above. which is create a strawman that derails the real argument, avoids criticism, and undersells the entire situation and argument at hand as a way to “defend” a lesser argument that they actually can manage. which is of course completely irrelevant to what is really being said about the real basis of radical feminism. that’s how you avoid a debate you know you can’t win, folks. you just start a smaller one that you’ve engineered in your favor.

see this? this is redefining the movement. it’s a broad generalization of what terfs argue based on how terfs see themselves and want to be seen, which means it’s a biased generalization of the terf movement, coated in pretty words to make it sound appealing to both themselves and susceptible onlookers. 

this is the hook. 

it’s a means of signaling to others a moral stance they would find agreeable, to mask the finer details of radical feminism which seek to harm, outcast, and demean women. by making it appear milder and more helpful than it is, they create a moral panic and have a decent little shield to hide behind when the real criticism hits. you can bring down all the evidence in the world of them causing direct harm and they’ll still pull this out of their asses, only with increasingly offensive terms as the façade drops.

@deepgreenrad you do realize that there have been actual nazi dogwhistles within terf rhetoric for years now? do some research. and if it’s so horrifying perhaps you should take a good look at where you stand in all of these issues.

also “exclusively women”

where?

where, when I have seen countless men, who are usually right wingers, buddying up with terfs, sharing their viewpoints, quoting them and their dog whistles, etc?

terfs can argue all they want that those men “aren’t radfems” but they are still using their exact talking points and hyping up terf content.

but terfs can’t acknowledge that part, bc then their argument that any criticism of these talking points is purely out of hate for women falls apart.

There were literal neo Nazis at the terf demo in the UK yesterday.

The terfs stole a progress flag from protesting trans supporters and cut out the triangular section that makes up the trans rep, intersex rep, and black/brown lgbt people rep.

Yup I shared that picture.

Disgusting. Racist and intersexphobic along with the obvious transphobia. Unsurprisingly the woman on the left is the author of a transphobic book and, as far as anyone is aware, is cishet 🙃

And yeah I’m not surprised at all about neo-nazis. They very regularly buddy up with terfs, at these kind of rallies and in general.

Assuming for the moment that these questions are being asked in good faith (a fairly weak assumption, given the source), here’s a non-exhaustive list of elements of TERF ideology that either are Nazi dogwhistles on their own or are easily co-opted by Nazis:

neither of the terfs are deactivated yet and @deepgreenrad may also be a nazi

They openly refer to trans people as monstrous, so if they ain’t a Nazi, you could swap ‘em in a recipe.

Reminder that if you get that "joy of satan" copypasta that's been going around lately in your inbox, that's a literal honest to G-d not joking in the slightest Nazi neo-pagan group. Here is a Wikipedia link for those curious about what I'm on about here.

That specific copypasta makes them look progressive but I trust y'all to be the smartest cookies in the whole fuckin' pantry and not publish the ask, since it has a direct link to their fucked up website and even dunking on them or publishing with a warning might make your followers look it up to see what's up.

Don't increase their traffic, delete it, and if you really want to warn your followers do what I'm doing right the fuck now and simply make your own post with an info link that isn't a direct conveyor belt leading straight into their own propaganda machine.

And for the love of G-d always do your research when receiving anonymous recommendations for organizations or websites. I don't know how I'm supposed to end this post, peace and love or whatever.

JoS is indeed a Nazi neopagan group. Not even sure how much neopagan they are, or if they were just looking for a community that's supportive of "we don't fit with the mainstream."

When I was trying to archive YahooGroups before they dissolved, I went looking for pagan groups. Found some of the dark-edgy ones. Found the Joy of Satan cluster - they had more than a dozen groups.

Teens for Satan. Black Power Satanism. The Satanic Goth Club. Joy of Satan Astrology. Radio Free Satan. UK Satanism. Hells Army 666. More.

Some of them had descriptions that just sounded like "we like POWER and we take no shit from THE MAN." Which, um, okay.

Until you got to the "files" section of the archives. Elements of Satanic rituals, check. Sacred Tree Runes, check. Alchemical Dictionary, check. Tibetan Book Of etc. etc. Meditation Trance etc. check.

... and most of them had a folder called "Know Your Enemy," which is where they put the hitlerism, the Nazi propaganda, the "how to identify a Jew" documents, the "holohoax" ebooks.

They are not "kinda sorta leaning towards maybe" Nazis. They are outright, direct, not-ironic-at-all Nazis.

Astute observation from the Homestuck Made This World discord:

( It’s the Lara Croft buckle, the one from the Angelina Jolie movie )

The association with Jake makes this a good companion to Cronus's headscars, which form the jagged SS of the Schutzstaffel emblem. But in the same way that ICP being the alchemical fusion of Laurel & Hardy with Hitler was a way of encoding black culture as an Evil corrosive influence, I think this moment may be a homophobic (slash misogynistic?) encoding of Jake's adoption of a feminine signifier as evil, corrosive -- in addition to comparing himself to Jolie, it's the first mention of Jake's interest in shorter shorts, the apotheosis being the banana hammock that triggers Jade's traumatic memories and/or homophobia (or perhaps her trauma is just an unknowing cohort to the narration's homophobic spin? I'm honestly still somewhat murky on the extent to which this aspect of the metanarrative flows back into character psychology).

@dingodad says:

Major synergy with her Tobias Funke poster too

“People as Things, that’s where it starts” Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies

So, if you’re like me and work in a place with public bathrooms, you most likely have seen this shit before. Some racist fuck graffiti’d up your bathroom with nazi bullshit with a permanent marker.

Tired of this bullshit? Me too, so I’m gonna show you how to get rid of it nice and quick! 

The tools you need: A cleaner appropriate for the surface, the appropriate tool to to wipe said surfaces, and the crucial piece: A dry erase marker.

It’s embarrassingly easy to get rid of and is gonna make those nazi fucks upset that we don’t tolerate their bullshit. 

Just grab your marker…

…and draw over it

then you spray it with your cleaner and then… wipe

ta-fucking-da

now you too can use your new-found hack to get rid of sharpie graffiti

remember kids: fuck fascists, fuck nazis and racists, and fuck white supremacy 

Just a reminder, because I think we legitimately forget sometimes:

Nazis weren’t just the soldiers with guns at the entrances to death camps. They weren’t just the guys who ushered people into the gas chambers. They weren’t just the politicians signing the orders to invade other countries, or the generals ordering their troops to execute civilians.

Nazis were also the people who joined the party because it was the social thing to do. They were the people who looked the other way when their Jewish neighbors were hauled off. They were the actors who put their careers above the lives of others in order to take roles in propaganda films. They were the civilians who asked “But what do we do about the Jewish problem???” and expected a legitimate answer. They were the people who registered, and put their names on a list so they could have a little bit of social fortune while it was still popular to do so.

Those people were Nazis too. So when I say you’re acting like a Nazi, I’m not saying you’re the one throwing the switch on the gas chambers or pulling the trigger on a gun. I’m saying you are legitimizing and supporting a political ideology which harms other people, and history will prove you wrong.

Legit.

European Jews on Ellis Island protest against their deportation to Germany, 1936

via reddit