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Templar culture is toxic

Templar culture is harmful in many ways, both to the templars themselves and to those they deal with, primarily mages.

Templars are expected to be emotionless automatons. They aren’t supposed to show fondness or positive emotions toward mages or form friendships with them. Templars and mages do have relationships, but they are elicit and hidden. Suppressing all emotion – with the exception of aggression, anger and violence – isn’t healthy for templars and is downright dangerous for mages.

At the same time, templars don’t receive any mental healthcare. A popular fan-theory is Greenfell Chantry is a rest home for templars, based on the aside about Cullen being sent there in Witch Hunt. However, Cullen himself never discusses any treatment he received. Samson doesn’t receive any help for his greater-than-normal dependence on lyrium and is thrown out of the Order at the first opportunity.

It is possible many templars suffer from mental trauma after facing demons, blood mages and abominations and witnessing failed Harrowings, but the possibility templars may be adversely impacted by this is rarely mentioned. However, Cullen says forgetting such things is believed by many templars to be a positive found in lyrium-induced dementia.  So it shouldn’t be any surprise that templars’ first reaction is violence. In dealing with any threat, perceived threat or disobedience, templars always seem to escalate the situation. Templars’ tools in addressing transgressions great and small seem to be limited to reactive violence or humiliating punishments. They don’t appear to be able – or trained? – to think through problems to reach an alternative solution.

Templars don’t inhabit circles, they occupy them. Templars are hardly seen out of armor or off-duty. They behave like soldiers in enemy territory, despite the power imbalance that overwhelmingly favors them. This is particularly dangerous for mages, because templars are biased against mages. Mages are not only viewed with suspicion, but templars generally treat them as if they have committed a crime. Even the Circles are proactive imprisonment for crimes yet to be – and most likely will never be – committed.

This is part of templars’ us versus them worldview. The best example of this is the meeting between the grand clerics and the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux. When a templar strikes Mother Hevara, Ser Barris attempts to go to her aid, but is told she isn’t worthy of his attention. Then Envy-as-Lucius gives a speech on templar exceptionality that is well-received by those templars in attendance – with the exception of Ser Barris – and is an insight into the mistrust and derision with which templars view those who are not part of the Order.

Notable exceptions are Evangeline and Greagoir, although Evangeline comes to a more measured response through the course of Asunder. She is fighting a mage in her first in-world appearance, but Asunder is really about her struggling with what she thinks the Order should be and what it actually is – although it takes her falling for a mage and therefore seeing them as people get to that point.

Greagoir is progressive for a templar. He considers magic to be both a gift and a curse. He values the lives of civilian above those of mages, but also of templars. He argues against Annulling the Circle, but will agree to it, if pressed. Greagoir also accepts the practices of Harrowing and Tranquility.

This is because templars are trained to follow orders without question. It is openly acknowledged an obedient templar is preferred over a devout one. Templars are expected to obey orders without question – the crux of Evangeline’s dilemma in Asunder is whether to follow orders or to do what is right. Templars are not expected to think for themselves; they are weapons.

The combination of possible untreated mental trauma, othering of mages and those who aren’t templars and failure to question or engage in critical thought creates an organization both dangerous to those to whom it is supposed to protect and to its members.

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CONFESSION:            

Honestly, even if the Breach and Corypheus didn’t happen, I still think that reaching an compromise with the Templars and Mages wouldn’t work out. The two have vastly different philosophies in what they’re fighting for that it would be extremely hard for them to ever come together.            

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dgcatanisiri

Yeah, but that would have made for a great central conflict of the game - with the pressure of war threatening to tear the world apart, the war-hardened soldiers want to fight to the bitter end and only agree to the enemy giving unconditional surrender, and the war-weary ones who recognize that the war is only making it worse. What is important in ending a war, ending with a clear-cut victory in battle or by coming to the table and resolving things without bloodshed?

Because ultimately, it would have opened up a very important topic - the Chantry is the root of both of these beliefs and attitudes. The Chantry demands obedience and service from the templars, imposed by a lyrium leash, and the Chantry orders the mages locked away in what is effectively a prison. And then declares the extreme measures at places like Kirkwall ‘justified’ for the disruption to ‘order, rather than barbaric extremes being pushed on a dehumanized populace.

Removing Corypheus and the Breach from matters lets us see the Chantry as the true villain. THAT story? I really feel that that’s the most important tale that Dragon Age could tell. The fact that Inquisition didn’t, that indeed, it adamantly REFUSED to even ask the question, that it stared it in the face and blinked, is such a disappointment.

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dalishious

Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up, Wynne, and lets discuss this without the limitations of three dialogue options to choose from.

“The mages will never be free! The Chantry will never allow it. Our only hope for survival is to show them we can be trusted!”

There has NEVER been a case in history where oppressors were shown the error of their ways by the oppressed ‘showing them they can be trusted.’ Because there is nothing that is ever good enough in their eyes. And you’d think the fact that the Chantry will never allow freedom would be a red flag??? That you need to fear your survival at all???

“Don’t you remember what happened to Circle in Ferelden? Do you want to give the templars another excuse to call for the culling of all mages?”

Why YES, I remember the Circle. I remember a warden mage, an apostate, a warden warrior and their fucking dog having to step in to do the job the templars are supposedly meant and trained for, but opted instead to just kill everyone. Fucking pinnacle of an example there, Wynne.

And really? “Give the templars an excuse?” THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR MASS MURDER OF INNOCENTS.

“This change cannot be forced.”

To quote Briala in The Masked Empire, “Freedom is not given. It is won.” Trying to be as perfect an underling as possible will never amount to anything, because it will never be good enough. There is nothing you can do to convince oppressors to just grant equality to people they see as beneath them. That’s kind of the whole damn problem. You cannot expect change to come without confronting the problem.

Finally, this conversation is important to note, because I occasionally see people say that the mages never wanted to rebel until Anders blew up the Chantry, when that just isn’t true. The Libertarians are the second largest group of mages. That is a really big portion. Enough so that in 9:31 they have enough power to petition separating from the Chantry the first time, as detailed by Wynne right here. They try again in 9:37. Then finally in 9:39, the rebellion began. So, let’s not pretend that there was no large force against the Circles before Anders blew up the Chantry. Fiona was working her ass off for years, before Anders even took his Harrowing.

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feynites

I think it’s also important to note, though, that what’s underlying Wynne’s sentiments here is fear.

She doesn’t say ‘I think the brightest future we can have is by working peaceably with the chantry’. She says ‘our only hope for survival is to show them we can be trusted’. And this comes from a lifetime of internalizing that people are justified in fearing mages (because of course, that’s what Circle mages - and even those outside the Circle - are always told), and believing that it’s this fear that needs to be defeated. If only they weren’t afraid of us, many mages think, then everything would get better. If only Bad Mages would stop giving people reasons to hate us, then we could show them that we’re not all like that; we could earn our freedom and livelihoods by defeating fear.

Except, the fear of mages (not magic - mages) in Southern Thedas is something the chantry encourages. It’s basically hard-coded into their take on Andrastrianism, and is one of the cornerstones of their politics. Fear of mages is what helps rally people against Tevinter, and it’s what ensures parents turn their mage children over to the Circle, and supply the chantry with free labourers and the nobility with exclusive access to the best healers and long-range combatants in the world. It’s what provides the chantry with any templar recruits who aren’t conscripted from the orphanages. There is no recourse for assuaging that ‘fear’, because the people who keep perpetuating it are engaged in a calculated form of propaganda, and have no interest in ending it. They benefit from it. They actively encourage it, so it’s not a genuine misunderstanding by any stretch of the imagination.

Wynne’s approach is exactly what the chantry wants. Mages working quietly to try and gain more autonomy, which they will never be granted because the condition of that autonomy is ‘well you can have it when you prove you can be trusted with it’. And then, invariably, some mage does something bad (because even if mages never had a reason to be desperate or take drastic actions, you’re always going to have asshole mages - there are assholes in every group in the world), and this becomes the excuse to tighten the leash and put off all those pesky issues of freedom and individual rights. This whole conversation demonstrates the problem, really - Wynne brings up Kinloch Hold as an example of why the Chantry might currently hesitate to let mages govern themselves. What she doesn’t seem to realize is that there is always going to be something. Some Circle with troubles, some rebellious mages with issues, some maleficarum stirring up nonsense, or hell, even just Tevinter continuing to exist, will provide the Chantry with the means to go ‘mmm, I dunno, you guys don’t seem like perfect saints to me yet - best we keep on imprisoning you, executing you, and cutting out parts of your essential beings to turn you into obedient labourers whenever we feel like it. But, oh, of course, just as soon as you achieve a level of monolithic virtue that literally no group of people has ever achieved before, you’ll be free to go. I’m sure it’ll happen for you any day now.’

It’s hard to blame Wynne for wanting to believe it could work out, though. Just like it’s hard to blame Vivienne for hating the war. Violent conflict is… well, violent. And it’s very hard to instigate a revolution when you know that, by the same stroke, you’re definitely consigning vulnerable and innocent people to die in the fallout. The Tranquil, the little apprentices, the elderly, ill, or disabled mages, the ones who aren’t good at fighting or casting big spells or surviving exposure to the elements - these are the people who will be cut down, who will suffer once the situation turns to full-blown rebellion.

I think it’s really telling that Wynne and Vivienne are both people who express a lot of distress at the suffering of, like, mage children, or Tranquil. Viv gets very upset over the Tranquil skulls issue in DA:I, and when we meet Wynne, she’s doing her level best to protect the apprentices from the abominations roaming the halls. Circles are communities. The same mages who have to decide whether or not to go to war are the ones who teach the young apprentices, who grew up with Senior Enchanter Marvin who’s faulty hip means he’d never be able to run in a crisis, who knew Tranquil Gwen back when she was an eight-year-old girl who cried from homesickness and missed her mother’s hugs.

The templars have much less dilemma. For example, someone like Cullen would never have to worry that going to war with the mages would mean bringing along his sister’s children, and watching them struggle or go hungry or be cut down by enemy swords. It makes it hard for me to be at all angry with Wynne, or any other mage like her - they want to find a peaceful resolution.

It’s just, they can’t, because the chantry is not a peaceful organization. And that’s heartbreaking. It’s sincerely awful that there’s really no recourse for the people who genuinely don’t want to hurt anyone, to obtain the basic rights they need to avoid being killed or violated on a regular basis.

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An update! A bit later than I anticipated because I discovered that tumblr removes input fields from custom pages and had to find another hosting solution.

New Features:

  • Ability to hide/show features (borders, labels, etc.)
  • Deep Roads Map (many thanks to higheverrains, who allowed me to extrapolate from their Deep Roads theory and add it as a feature to the map! It is hidden by default but can be viewed by checking “Show Deep Roads Map” under Show Features.)
  • Two different distance grids (each with 30km/60km versions based on average walking/riding distance in a day) based on different theories.
  • Labels on the oceans and seas!
  • Added a handful of additional locations from DAI

Improvements / Bug Fixes:

  • Zooming in/out functions more smoothly now
  • West Hill is now in the correct location (… also thanks to higheverrains)
  • … Rivain no longer gets chopped in half when you zoom in on it.

Coming Soon(ish):

My next goalpost is to refactor some of the code to make the map load more quickly. Once that is complete, I’ll probably gradually move into adding additional detail based on the location maps from DAI. Let me know if you are interested in helping out! (No coding experience required, just a basic image editor and some patience)

Interested in seeing more?

Let me know what you’d like to see! If you go the extra mile and give me rough coordinates for the location on the map + the zoom factor you were viewing it at when you got the coordinates, I can have it up much more quickly!

Let me know if you see any incorrect/outdated information.

Oh. Lovely map.

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what she says: anders deserved better
what she means: anders had to take a hard decision and, while everyone can see it differently depending on personal ethics, his development and moral dilemmas from that point were disregarded because, in the narrative thats being pushed onto us, the ‘angry fighter for freedom' character has no place. Its not surprising that in the default world state, the mage hawke has not only killed anders but he also violently despises him; and several times we are reminded of how he 'single-handedly' started the war. Never mind the inherent abuse in the circles or the straight slave work that its presented in the kirkwall circle; good mages would have never rebelled, good mages seek help from the merciful chantry, good mages stay quiet until... until a /bad mage/ seeks answers through violence. Anders' life is nothing but the tale of the nice opressed, who smiles and gently corrects; and the mean opressed, who speaks up and ACTS. Once he becomes the Mean Opressed, his narrative ends. Theres nothing else to his character, he is Done, he will not evolve past that. In Dragon Age 2, most characters become, at some point, a monster: fenris and his markings, merrill and blood magic, isabela and her stolen book. Anders' monster is not being an abomination: is daring to fight with the same violence that was shown to him, to his people. We aren't shown any more of his development because right after his stand, we can kill him. We can abandon him. We can kill him, again. We end the game. His storyline has no closure; its made so we can comfortably hate him and never get to see his real drives and ethics. And thats why he deserved more.
what she also means: my son..... my be aut iful feli ne son..........
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