me: dress how you want!! gender is fake!!! nothing matters!!!!!!
trans person: i like gender tho
me: hell yeah i respect that!!!! i apologize and don’t mean to dismiss your identity with my optimistic nihilism!!!!!!!
Good post OP
Denounce gender roles but respect gender identity.
This is so close to understanding that gender identity relies on gender roles. This is where the conflict arises: you can’t do both. Either you believe people become a man or a woman by conforming to gender roles assigned to the sexes or you believe gender is arbitrary, harmful and sexist.
As an outsider with little understanding of these gender issues, if there's one thing I do understand, it's contradiction and conflict.
Despite the high running emotions involved in these discussions as they evolve over time, the contradictory nature of enjoying certain gender roles and the artificial nature of gender roles as we know them today can both be valid experiences and opinions.
Just because a contradiction arises, doesn't necessarily mean one side is wrong and the other right. Rather, these are extremely subtle issues with only a short history of being explored openly and Publicly. Having these discussions are incredibly important going forward.
It can in fact be both true that gender is an artificial construct, as well as that certain people are happier and more comfortable in specific gender roles.
What future debate and conversation will have to learn, is whether there truly is a contradiction in these two statements, or whether both can continue to be true and coexist moving forward.
I don't personally see anything inherently contradictory in these two opposites. Opposites are not necessarily contradictory in themselves. Opposites can often coexist comfortably indefinitely.
The important thing is to recognize how powerful the emotions behind both sides of the debate are, and remaining respectful of one another as the issue continues being explored.
A lot of younger kids don't really remember a time when just being gay or bi was radically taboo. Honestly it wasn't that long ago at all. Even most Millennials can remember such a time. For example, I can remember when Mathew Shepherd was beaten, tortured, and killed for being gay. And that was NOT that long ago.
The amount of progress I've seen in just the two decades since then is just astounding! It's one of the few things that has actually given me hope to live to see a better world.
Just the fact that we can openly discuss LGBTQA issues publicly without having to hide identities or worry about physical harm coming to someone for it, is nothing short of an incredible accomplishment by the communities that persevered and demanded the freedom to be themselves.
Now just two decades later, we can fully explore the nature of Human Sexuality and Gender without fear. We should keep it in mind just how new these conversations being held in the open really are.
Therefore I can only recommend that everyone remain respectful of different opinions as long as those opinions aren't hateful or cruel. As long those opinions remain respectful and are made thoughtfully and without negative bias.
This is a time to really think deeply on how traditional Gender roles have in fact been largely a construct developed over time, mostly by straight white men, and forced onto the public regardless of how they might have felt.
But that also doesn't mean some people aren't truly happy to live in a traditional Gender role.
By that I don't just mean the straight white men who hold power through those traditional Gender roles, but also those people who identify more comfortably in one role or another.
All this can be respectfully explored, while also being mindful of how Gender roles contributed to the acquisition and preservation of Power in the hands of straight cis-gendered white men, and how we might keep aspects of those traditional Gender roles without allowing those who choose traditional roles to hold more societal power than those who don't.
All of these things must be explored and thoughtfully considered. It's unquestionable that traditional Gender roles benefit some people over others.
How it is we can avoid keeping that history of Power domination by traditionalists over non-traditionalists while allowing those comfortable in traditional roles to retain them IS a Contradiction we must deal with.
It's a good sign that I see so many people thinking this way. One can reject traditional Gender roles within their own lives without disrespecting those who choose to retain them, and vice-versa.
I think going forward, how we choose to discuss these things in our educational system will become the most important, and certainly most contentious debate to come.
I think at some point a compromise will have to be reached within the educational system.
We can teach kids that these are very complex and contentious issues that have arisen in recent decades very quickly because debate had largely been stifled through Power imbalances and Public pressure to conform to traditional Gender roles.
We can teach kids that there is not right or wrong answer to the debate as long as one person's opinion doesn't result in the Oppression of another.
We can teach children the history of how the roles of Church and Religious affiliation more broadly led to a very strictly enforced code of conduct around traditional Gender roles and Sexuality.
We can say to kids, hey, you know your parents may have raised you with this belief or that belief, but as you become an adult you'll want to explore your own opinions and your own feelings about your personal Sexuality and feelings about your own Gender. You may decide to remain within a traditional Gender role and Sexual orientation, or you may not. There's nothing wrong with either choice because it's YOUR BODY AND YOUR SEXUALITY and no one else's. Not you friends, your parents, or your partners choice. It's about how YOU feel and feeling comfortable in YOUR OWN skin.
And then the last part of this would be to teach kids to respect different people's choices and opinions regardless of how it makes you feel. Because just as your Sexuality and Gender is your body, your feelings, and your choices; other people have the right to choose differently and not feel like they've done something wrong by exploring their own Sexuality.
Once we reach this point, where the next generation is taught to have respect for how other people live and choose for a partner, and that each of them have the right to feel comfortable with themselves without having to worry about what anyone else thinks; then we'll know we're finally on a path to putting the Oppression, hatred, prejudice, secrecy and Violence where it belongs: way way back into the dustpan of History where it belongs.
So that's the direction I personally think society has to head towards. Freedom of exploration and choice without secrecy or oppression by force, while respectfully allowing others to choose differently.
We can and should acknowledge the constructed nature of traditional Gender roles without having to force anyone to live in a way they themselves aren't comfortable with.
And I TOTALLY APOLOGIZE FOR THIS LONG-WINDED POST!!!
It's been difficult for me as a straight cis-gendered man to think through these issues in a proper context. For someone who's open minded and doesn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable in their own skin, in their own lives; it was hard to thoughtfully ponder on these questions without feeling like it wasn't my place to have an opinion.
But then I realized that it's going to be just as important to have those living traditional sexual and gender roles to be supportive of those who don't. If for no other reason than to help stand up against the bigots of the world.
The more Allies there are in the fight, the better chance that everyone gets to live the life they choose, comfortable with themselves, and feeling free to express themselves however they choose.
I came to the conclusion that it was irresponsible and actually making the situation worse to stand on the sidelines.
So I'm working on making my thoughts known, if for no other reason than to contribute to a show of strength against the bigots and jerks out there who think every straight cis-gendered man supports their bigotry.
We don't.