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Do you think that Leah kidnapping carol thing could really happen? Like... Do you think it's possible, if so, how much?

I mean, that idea certainly makes sense to me based on the set up with the knife and other Carol/Daryl/Leah parallels, what we suspect about Leah being a reaper, and where Carol and Daryl both are in their emotional journeys, but who knows what we’ll actually see, you know? If I’m tracking things correctly, the story we should be getting involves Daryl overcoming his guilt about Leah, but there are a million and one ways for that to play out.  What I wrote could easily fit into one episode with still plenty of room for more story, so obviously if the show does anything resembling it, I’d expect something much more complicated and drawn out. And of course I still have my sneaking suspicion canon will be delayed until the end of the season.

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Are we gonna get a part 4 soon?!

Part 4 in 3...2...1...

When Daryl and Dog arrive at the bridge, the same broken bridge where Rick was lost, Leah is already there, holding a badly beaten Carol at gunpoint. They’re standing dangerously close to the edge.

Dog reacts first, barking fiercely as he runs to them. Daryl isn’t far behind. Leah smiles, at least happy to see one of them.

Leah: It’s okay. It’s okay, Dog. It’s just me. Hush.

But Dog won’t stop barking.

Daryl: Maybe if you put the gun down. He thinks you might hurt her.

Daryl and Carol make eye contact, silently checking in on each other.

Leah: He’s a smart boy. Aren’t you?

Dog’s barks turn to high-pitched whines. Daryl half-heartedly aims his crossbow.

Daryl: Put it down. Please.

Leah: Or what, Daryl? I know you won’t kill me. I tried to save you, remember? You were all alone by this damn river, and I tried to bring you back. I tried to give you more. I tried to give you love, but you wouldn’t take it.

Daryl: I shouldn’t have left you like that. If I’d known something was gonna happen to you—

Leah laughs humorlessly.

Leah: Nothing happened to me. I was found. I have my squad again. My family.

Daryl: Your family destroys people’s homes, people’s lives. Why be a part of that when you can be a part of a family that works to build something good? Build a future. Come back to Alexandria with us. Help us get things back in order, so you can see what you’ve been missing.

Leah: Don’t try to sell the white picket fence to me now. I know what your communities are really like. Everyone playing pretend with each other just to distract themselves from the pain. How’s that king you told me so much about? He still sitting on his throne?

Carol throws Daryl a quizzical look. He averts his gaze.

Leah: And Michonne? Still heading up that council she was so proud of? I bet your friend Maggie isn’t feeling too optimistic right now. Everything she wrote to you about in her letters and then some is gone. Remember you used to share those with me?

All at once, everything seems to come together for Daryl and it makes him sick. He doesn’t know the woman standing in front of him. Maybe he never did.

Leah: You never talked about her. But you’re willing to be here for her at the cost of that family you care so much about. Whatever my people didn’t take before, they’re taking now. All those pretty homes. All those lives. What kind of hero lets that happen?

Carol: No one has to die. Call off the attack. And then you can go. Both of you. Pick up right where you left off.

She looks at Daryl, silently urging him to play along. He doesn’t react.  

Leah: I’m right where I belong. Daryl had his chance.

Carol: He came back for you. He was ready to be with you. There’s a note. It’s still there, right where he left it.

That seems to crack Leah’s resolve. She meets his eyes, hopeful.

Leah: Is that true?

Daryl glances between the two women, lingering on Carol. She nods as if to let him know it’s okay.

Daryl: I wanted you to find me. I waited for you at my camp. I was alone just like you said, and I thought you were the one who was supposed to fix that. But you weren’t.

Off Leah and Carol, both confused now...

Daryl: I couldn’t talk about Carol because it hurt too much. I couldn’t admit to myself that she was happy without me, that she didn’t need me anymore. And that’s why I couldn’t love you. Because I always loved her. She’s the one who found me. She’s the one who brought me back, gave me more to live for, to fight for, hope for. She and I belong together.

Carol looks like she’s forgotten how to breath. Leah resumes her cold stare, seething.

Leah: Well. You have my blessing.

She trains the gun on Daryl, about to pull the trigger. Carol bumps her and the gun fires off into the distance. Dog starts barking again. Carol tries to wrestle the gun out of Leah’s hand, but Leah’s in much better physical condition. Daryl aims his crossbow just as Leah’s about to shoot Carol. He shoots first, putting Leah down with a bolt to the head. But as she begins to fall, she takes Carol with her.

Daryl: Carol!

He runs to the end of the bridge, but it’s too late. He hears a big splash. Wild with panic, he looks down only to find that both Carol and Leah have disappeared underneath the dark water.

To be continued (!?)

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Anonymous asked:

Could you do this scenario plsss? I really love this kinda stuff: basically daryl angry at EVERYONE because of carol being + 𝗶𝗻𝘀𝗲𝗿𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗴𝘀𝘁𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁 (Be bad here hehe😈)

Okay. How about Daryl is mad at everyone because Carol’s been captured? I’m probably going off on a tangent here, but I used other characters for once, so that’s fun.

Daryl: Why the hell didn’t you try to help her!?

Cole: You mean throw myself in front of a bunch of guns? Because I’m not stupid.

Daryl: ‘Cause you didn’t give a shit.

Maggie: Daryl—

Cole: You really want to talk to me about disloyalty?

He gestures toward Negan.

Cole: She’s the reason this asshole’s breathing the same air as Maggie.

Daryl’s about to lunge at him, but Maggie intervenes.

Maggie: Hey! Enough! They kept her alive. That’s something.

Daryl: Doesn’t mean they won’t hurt her!

Negan: In my heyday, kidnapping was a pretty damn effective way to gain leverage.

Daryl: The hell they need leverage for?

The walkie on Maggie’s hip fizzles to life.

Ominous voice: Daryl? If you can hear me, pick up.

Daryl pales, a terrible sense of recognition washing over him.

Maggie: Who is this?

Daryl: Maggie...let me have it.

Maggie hands him the walkie. He raises it up, holding a beat before speaking.

Daryl: Leah?

He waits for a response, ignoring the confused looks around him.

Leah: I have something you want.

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Negan and reapers speculations ... Twd spoilers

I think negan will be banned and will stay at Leah's cabin. In the comics, at the time after whisperer war etc, comic negan stays at the cabin ..and for a long time and he doesn't come back to Asz. But with tv negan and with twd show gonna have it's s11/final season, I'm sure negan will be appearing in s11 and during the Commonwealth or/and other arcs in the final season.

Since negan is very on this redemption arc...idk what the endgame for him. Maybe some Maggie and negan moment to process by later on and he leaves asz in the end?

Anyway i think some kind of redemption plot or something to gain trust for Maggie and Daryl, is if he kills the reapers and that Leah could be one of the reapers while he meets them or noticed them attacking asz/TF. (Leah could be a reaper from all those military signs and her squad.) Idk Leah could be like comic Sherry. ...which I think comic negan handled that group for Rick for a bit.

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Do you really think daryl's omitting something from his relationship with leah? Maybe they didn't even have sex, who knows?

I mean, we only got a handful of memories out of the few years they spent getting to know each other. There’s plenty of room for other stuff to have happened. If AK and NR are to be believed, then it’s probably stuff that will paint Leah’s character quite differently and shed some more light on her military background. 

I’m not sure we’re meant to question whether or not they had sex, but maybe it wasn’t as easy for Daryl as he’s allowing himself to remember. 

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I think I might be disappointed if Leah wasn't Carol 2.0 and was like idk female-Daryl or something. Yeah more like speculations was wrong-diasppoinment kind of thing. (I hate those...speculating too hard too long)

Idk what female-daryl would mean...writing-wise. Or trope-wise. They're too similar and they wouldn't work out? Daryl coulda been similar to her ...if idk didn't return to Asz.?

Maybe Leah isn't to be paralleling anyone but as her own person. Expect comics.. Ok I typed Lydia awhile ago and kept wanting to type Leah 3 times. So what if Leah is comic Lydia. ..or Pamela. Lol Idk.

Anyway ...after the ep I gotta theorize again but info I know after 10x18.

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From a writers perspective, how would you fix the rift between daryl and carol?

Step One: Let them feel hurt. Let them be raw and emotional with each other.  (Covered in Find Me?)

Step Two: Give them space to consider the stakes and realize how much they mean to each other. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. (Covered in Diverged?)

Step Three: Have both of them work their asses off to make things better. Carol needs to prove to Daryl that she believes in them, their family, and their future (Starts in Diverged, will continue into season 11 probably). Daryl needs to show Carol that he knows what he wants and it’s standing right in front of him. 

Step Four:  After prolonged pain and suffering, have them officially reunite in a way that feels emotionally satisfying for them and for us. Everyone who is invested needs to feel assured that they have overcome their lowest point and will never go back. Their relationship should feel changed for the better. Stronger. 

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The ‘our luck’s run out, you and me’ line is actually juicy. I mean it’s so heartbreaking, considering it’s a sort of call back to the ‘we have luck on our side’. 😭😭 However, I’m kinda of glad that they’re keeping the focus on the two of them, and not having most of their conflict contingent on other people(Connie). It’s still about them, and it’ll be their own conflict to resolve. Does that make sense? Feel like I’m rambling haha

Oh, wow! That’s a great parallel. 

Yes, that makes sense and that’s exactly what I want from this fight. Go deep. Make them question what they mean to each other so they can rediscover it later. 

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So, I hesitated on posting this because I am not trying to encourage or discourage. This is not a positive post and it’s not a negative one, it just is what it is and ya’ll take from it what you want.

I’ve seen some folks thinking that Leah could be comic Lucy from Neg@n’s storyline after he’s exiled and that when she comes back, that’s what will play out. That she will somehow be integrated into Neg@n’s story on the show. I don’t agree completely, but it got me googling and looking into this and I have to admit that a lot of what we know about ‘Find Me’ seems ripped right from Lucy’s comic material. Rest under the cut because it’s long.

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Idk but the 3rd movie of To all the boys I loved. (Whatever the title is). It kinda reminds me of what Caryl might be going through in 10c. In the movie they really showed how the guy realized and worked on his abandonment issues from his dad that it was also affecting his relationship with his gf. Anyway I'm impressed with how the movie did it mature-ly.

Just saying. ...ok Idk how Twd writers will do with Daryl and Carol/Caryl stories. And that their journey still continues/tv show;not a movie.

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The note

I'm confused about the drama of the note. 🤔 I feel we need to wait and see for context. Even on like how Carol reacts to it because it can mean different ways too.

Idk if it helps.. My thought or headcanon of the note without context of the ep.., is that Daryl wrote it for Leah who I think is similar to Carol /like a rebound gf which he had known her for awhile and got serious later on when he's alone depressed in the woods. When Carol told Daryl she can't always visit him because of life in Kingdom and family, it was like a deal breaker for him and so he decides he can leave TF/Carol, to be with Leah. (I feel he's been depressed and lonely since 9x01.. First time jump when TF is in different communities and Carol decides to marry Zeke.) I think when he wrote the letter it was his lowest point for him in his life,...or that a lot of things all changed for him, TF all moved on without him, and he doesn't need TF anymore because he had Leah. But Leah left. I guess I see Leah as a wish fulfilment or someone to depend on because he misses Carol. So when Leah disappeared(and Carol gone) , he made the note of what was holding him up through the 5 or so years/past. I think in present time he may not agree with the note anymore. It was probably his most ooc moment of him in purpose. Well.. Now he's with TF and Carol is around again.

I think the fight with him and Carol in present time, if it's about her always leaving, that I think the letter is mainly about the aftermath of when in the past Carol left to Kingdom(and other moments like s7 and her on the boat) and was saying Leah, who was always there for him of those years, should keep staying with him. "Find me. I belong with you."

Gee such a big parallel with Carol and Leah leaving. Or I'm wrong about it but why is Carol in this drama and they have a fight about it if they're just friends. So I think it's always about Carol even though the letter is about Leah and he had a serious relationship with her.

I guess Carol is home to him. Idk it does seem like an unfair thing to say but I think he's venting .. And almost saying he's mad she left him for Zeke because he wants her. And he wants her to stay with him. But hey it's her choice... So idk. He waited too long..and want ready? idk

Anyway maybe Carol will point out about the hypocrisy of his letter and his recent argument later on in s11, and that maybe would make them confess their feelings. I think the letter is to bring up and maybe restart Daryl/Leah relationship and challenge it ..a love triangle with Carol. Or the letter is only to show that Carol is Daryl's deal breaker to leave and/or to bring up who is Leah for 10x18.

I also think the letter is kinda like a way to show that Daryl would leave TF someday, like leave to NM ..or leading up to Caryl spin-off show.

Anyway .. Just need more info and see if my specualtions are really going along the way I think is going.

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I wasn’t expecting the early reviews to contain heavy spoilers, but since they’re out now, I have a few thoughts on 10x18. You can read Julian’s full article here. 

It's like what we suspected all along. :) angsty times.❤

The note thing. I'm confused and need more context. Idk when his quote is present time or past ..or what is the meaning really about in the ep or arc. I'm guessing the note shows that Carol is his deal breaker to leave home or not. Idk maybe he thinks Carol/team family? is home to him where he is loyal about. Idk he's mad that she left to kingdom and .. Not visit Daryl anymore. 🤷

So ..sounds like Carol does know about him and Leah but didn't know it got serious later on. Which means Daryl was not really into Leah to tell her.. Idk what I'm saying. I think Leah could still be carol lite gf. And that Carol may be jealous.

..so I guess he screamed at the sky was because of his map lol

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Caryl and comic Carl & Sophia theory

So there’s been a theory that Caryl are like comic Carl and Sophia for awhile. I tried to find a post that was the first time it made me think of it, but I can’t find it. I think it was back in s10A and someone was arguing that Caryl are not like comic R & M but more like comic Carl & Sophia (Carlphia). I had made some parallel posts about it in my blog. It would be interesting if the writers are now trying to adapt Carlphia and comic Lydia in the 10C and s11. 

I hope I can explain this well and accurate. :P

First, there’s similarities with Caryl and Carlphia. Both ships are like life-long friends and kinda have this subtle slowburn love relationship going on since the start. Oh, they both are actually the last two surviving Atlanta members of TWD. (Comic MIchonne-prison, tv Michonne left). There’s also a thing with one of the Peletier girls living till the end or dying early on. Also, for awhile, I see Leah and it keeps reminding me of another L name in the show, Lydia. So, maybe it’s meant to be connected to comic Lydia. (Name thingies lol. Idk yet what Leah is like in s10c and s11 though.)

*I’ll explain comic Carl and Sophia story, if I remember. And some parallels ..including with Leah if she’s like comic Lydia.

 Carlphia were a couple for awhile when they’re young kids (kinda would make someone to ship them from the start/kinda like a main ship), but mostly were good friends that grew up together. They grew apart I guess when Maggie moved to Hilltop after Glenn died. Eventually, it’s when Carl wanted to be independent and be a blacksmith apprentice(?) in Hilltop. It’s there when teens Carl and Sophia started to be friends again. And also when Whisperer War arc begins and that’s when teen Carl mostly falls in love with Lydia. His first real girlfriend/love I would say.  I don’t remember much and comic Sophia wasn’t really featured in the comics a lot. I think during and after the Whisperer war, Carl and Sophia were doing usual teen things, and helping out communities and family. Carl was more independent and mature (compared to Sabastian) so Sophia would listen to him on some things. Like love and stuff. Sophia would be jealous that Carl would know what to do in life, and have a gf Lydia. Sometimes its like she’s jealous that’s she’s alone, or jealous and misses her friend Carl who was always with Lydia. I think Robert Kirkman did have some hints of a love triangle going on but we didn’t really see it much. (It’s like a most recent love triangle in the story) And then uh I think it’s mostly that Carl and Lydia were shown to be good relationship and Lydia support Carl to being a good young man/leader. Carl and Sophia were good friends too. Then during the Commonwealth arc, an issue before, Carl’s dad died. And then the 20 years time jump on the last long issue (chapter or episode.), we see adult Carl who’s married with Sophia and they have a daughter named Andrea. We see how Carl interacts with Sophia and Lydia. There’s a page of Carl and Lydia that explains kinda why he chose to be with Sophia instead of Lydia. Basically it’s like a trope that Lydia is from the past and was when life was about survival and death. When he’s with Sophia it’s like he’s about living and for the future. So, somewhere in those 20 years, he grew to wanting to live life and making a better world then into the ZA. So, in a way it’s a subtle parallel.

So if Caryl and Leah are to be like comic Carlphia and Lydia, then I can see some parallels. It would be really interesting to see that on the show and sweet because Caryl would be endgame. But, I’m not sure how this theory would play out. The show now since s9 became so different from the comics and the comics ended what would be very different for the show. We don’t have the same main characters now as the comics did. The show is ending with s11..but is it really the end of TWD story when Rick movies will continue(if everyone will be there too)? We’re gonna be into the Commonwealth arc, post Whisperer War, Negan redemption & Maggie arc, and different plots. Also the show sometimes do comic arcs a bit out of order.

 So sdlfjlsajf????? It’s hard to speculate the show now with the comics now. I don’t know how TWD show would end really. To end with Judith...there’s that 20 years time jump to see people in ZA living life like normal in modern times in, in the New World. But, there are other plots not done. Like Rick’s story and Michonne looking for him, and Caryl in their spinoff show. It’s all hard to speculate. 

Anyway, Idk how this Carlphia and Lydia theory would work. I guess the writers could not adapt some things like the last two issues or really alternate it in the show.  Yeah it’s hard to speculate and also s11 is a long season probably like 4 arcs they will do. So that’s a lot of guessing.

Another thing that’s hard is that the writers would put for an example comic Rick plots onto tv Aaron and then later different plot for Daryl. The writers would change characters to adapt comic plots in a season. So, Daryl is using some comic Rick plots and comic Carl’s because it’s usually for the main storyline and Daryl is leading in the show. (Even Carol had some comic Rick plots but she mostly had comic Michonne’s in the past.) Anyway we have Aaron who has a missing arm and long beard like comic Rick, and he might be into political things. I think he might be killed in the end of the show like comic Rick.😢 Daryl might switch up again to be like comic Carl to whenever writers want to explore/remix a plot. 

* So there, Daryl can be like comic Carl in s11 sometimes. We know Leah will be in s11 but Idk where is she from now. If she’s from Commonwealth, I would think she could be the Governor of Commonwealth, Pamela. I can see Daryl acting as comic Rick to Pamela and they can probably fight about the way of living their life in ZA while also being like comic Carl and Lydia. They could argue and maybe try to start their relationship again because of their past. They used to be a couple. During of this I could see Carol realizing her feelings and feel jealous of them like comic Sophia. Idk what else Carol could do in s11. She could probably be like comic Michonne or Magna to be opinionated on the whole politics of Commonwealth and help Daryl. And to end the season, Idk, they could have Judith feel like she’s safe in Commonwealth, or ASZ is at peace with other communities and let Caryl go travel together. Or, Rick and/or Michonne reunite with their kids and warn about CRM community (Rick movie). Somewhere in s11B, Daryl realizes he doesn’t want to be with Leah. It’s always been Carol for him. And then Caryl became canon/endgame and left ASZ to travel. I think that’s what would be like comic Carlphia and Lydia theory.  @carylmeanslove here's a post with my speculations

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Some more speculations on Leah in TWD.

The more I think about what plots (or remix comic book plots) might happen in 10c/s11 for Leah I'm like .. Huh?🤔

We don't know her much or what she would do in s11 yet. Like Leah could be a remix of comic Pamela if it's about Commonwealth and politics. ...or go extreme the same way, wanting war, but as comic Dwight. She could be like comic Lydia who was teen Carl's first love and supporting him as he's growing up like a leader/man until flash forward years later Carl ended up with Sophia - I mentioned this because some compare Caryl to Carl/Sophia. (But I'm not sure how that storyline would work in s11 and commonwealth.) I'm speculating based on main characters/grimes boys and the other character in a plot. I wonder if Leah is based on any twd comic material.

If writers wanted to do a love triangle with Leah, Carol, and Daryl, if so, then I don't see d0nnie happening. Or just the writers didn't want to use C0nnie for this plot...and instead had a whole different character to do it. (who was a gf- like a meaty relationship to compare to soulmatey Caryl/main leads in s11) hmm its like writers changed their mind on C0nnie. Maybe there would've been Caryl vs d0nnie and without Leah in s11, but LR actress was busy. Unless writers want a Daryl love square. 😑 so idk maybe there was always a love triangle plot or something in s11.

Anyway I'm curious how this Leah plot will go and I hope its just a challenge and not a doom for Caryl/shippers (and spin-off show.)

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