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@wif-san / wif-san.tumblr.com

Supernatural fan since 2011, came for the supernatural and thrills, stayed for the brothers and their undying love for each other, hardcore wincest fan, J2 fan, bottom!sam/Jared fan, a massive fan of Captain Swan(Emma/Hook) from Once Upon A Time, and Olake(Olivia/Jake) from Scandal
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Oh gosh, so desperate to not want them be soulmates. Like, how can you claim to have watched it and not seen it??? 🤣🤣🤣

I like how she rants about people using the finale to say they're soulmates but only shows screen shots of people using DSOM....so where are these people talking about the finale as soulmates then?

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Wow.

The desperate attempt to deny what is clearly and explicitly stated on screen. Sam and Dean share a heaven and are soulmates. Period.

This is canon.

No amount of denial or spin is going to change that. None.

I mean, it's a microcosm of their meta in general, really. No, no, what the show is directly saying can't be true, you have to dig deeper! Here's several thousand words of cherry-picking, rationalizations, and random prescriptive assumptions I've just made up to make it mean what I want it to mean instead of what you directly get out of what was said and shown onscreen!

Castiel asks Dean what he sees and says other people see a tunnel or a river, but for Dean it's a road, so follow the road and he'll find Sam. The transition between Sam's memories is also a road. The only place Ash later mentions as having overlap is where all the individual lands meet up at the end of their individual paths to the Garden.

They didn't appear in literally the same room, so it wasn't the same heaven! I've decided roads can only work like this specific kind of road in this specific circumstance, so actually they were moving between different heavens - Castiel didn't say they weren't! Actually it was Ash that let them move through each other's memories!

Ash didn't appear until later and needed a spelled door to move them to his heaven. He specifically says most people can't leave their own heavens and literally brings up soulmates for no other reason. He calls their heaven Winchesterland and says they were in "your heaven", not Sam's heaven or Dean's heaven. We see in later seasons private heavens have an escape hatch to go between heavens which is different from the Axis Mundi, which Sam and Dean also don't use.

Ash was only talking to the specific brother he was looking at! He doesn't know what he's talking about - he was drinking too much beer! He didn't understand Enochian as well as he thought he did! Didn't you pay attention to the themes?! They were in clearly different heavens because they had conflicting desires (in the season heaven and hell were pointedly pitting them against one another), so the whole point is that they're not soulmates! Ash was just joking, obviously!

They always do this. They take what was directly said and shown, then sit down and brainstorm reasons why it can't mean what it would obviously mean taken at face value. Then they convince themselves and each other those rationalizations, hand-waves, and hidden meanings they had to put various degrees of effort into making up are clearly the conclusion the show wanted the audience to draw instead! It's so obvious!

Which is why they were blindsided episode after episode, season finale after season finale to the show's very end. Wait, wait, wait, a straightforward horror fantasy tv show just tells the story it's telling, you don't need to ignore half of what happens and use a secret decoder ring on the rest to figure out what it really means? Inconceivable!

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wif-san

Yes, all of this. No matter how hard the hellers try at hand-waving, denial, etc, there is just no getting around the canon in DSOTM that you need a spelled door to go to another person’s heaven, and neither Sam nor Dean have that knowledge until later in the episode after Ash collects them both, already together, in their shared heaven. You’re also right that even if we take the later retcon of individual heavens having escape hatches into consideration, Sam and Dean still didn’t use one to find each other, Dean just drove down the road, like Castiel said, and there was Sam.

This also doesn’t get around how absurdly easy it would have been to have Ash say Samland and Deanland instead of Winchester land and how they absolutely could have worked it so that Ash collected the brothers separately in order to illustrate Sam and Dean having separate heavens. Instead everything in DSOTM illustrates Sam and Dean having a shared heaven. I mean, just because not all of their happy memories revolved around each other, doesn’t mean it wasn’t still a shared heaven, especially when you take into consideration the context that both heaven and hell were doing their damnedest to pit them against each other AND that it was illustrated in that very same episode (DSOTM) that angels could manipulate peoples heavens.

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i'm sorry i keep getting stuck on the fact that people legitimately think that sam and dean did not share a heaven in 5x16.

let's review some items established during the episode (mostly via ash and cas):

  1. during this episode (and most of the show) heaven is someone reliving their greatest hits aka memories.
  2. souls in heaven were not moving beyond their own heaven except for ash himself, and he was able to because he found a "practical use for string theory."
  3. ash comes and finds the brothers in their heaven while they are being hunted by zachariah, and uses a sigil to open a door back to his own heaven. he also eventually collects pamela from her's and then sends them off on a path to the garden through another sigiled door.
  4. everyone has their own personal heaven*, except for "special cases," who share. *this is beared out by depictions of heaven in future episodes.
  5. taking a moment to suppose that sam and dean were in separate heavens, and applying what we learned from ash, there seems to be no way for dean to have wandered out of his heaven and into sam's. dean doesn't have the knowledge or power to do this. all he did was follow the road in his heaven (as cas instructed him to), and it eventually lead him to sam. cas didn't say, do this and then this and then you will find sam's heaven. he said, just follow the road. plus, once they find the road, both of them move onto each memory. they don’t have to find each other again.

ergo, sam and dean both died and went to a shared place - winchesterland, as ash put it. he had the opportunity to call it by separate names - samland and deanland, like he did ashland, but he phrased it in a collective kind of way. plus there's this:

Sam: And you said this was your Heaven? Ash: Yup, my own personal. Sam: And when the angels jumped us, we were-- Ash: In your Heaven.

sam uses a collective we, as the brothers so often do. when ash replies, it seems he is also talking about the two of them, in one heaven. sam follows it up by saying, ok so there are two heavens, one for him and dean, one for ash, again indicating they were a unit.

now we talk about the reason for sharing; we learn about the billions of heavens, and ash's travels and his figuring out that for the most part, people have their "own private idaho." it can be assumed however that ash has run into at least one pair of soulmates while exploring, to have figured out how it all works.

this is because during his explanations, he mentions that a few people share heavens. when pressed by dean, ash specifies that an example of special cases are soulmates.

as an aside: we have two pieces of information on this scene , one being the aired episode, the other being the script.

in the episode, ash tells the brothers about soulmates, pauses, looks at sam and moves on. sam and dean blink a little as if startled but otherwise do not speak or look at each other.

in the script, ash tells them casually about soulmates, then breaks eye contact with the brothers, (ash politely looks away) while they react. the beat in the script specifies that dean and sam have an awkward moment as they glance at each other and take in this information. why? because they know they were sharing, their souls were together on the same stretch of road, and so they take a moment to consider the next logical step:

a + b = c

a. sam and dean were sharing a heaven b. special cases aka soulmates share heaven c. sam and dean are at least a special case, which is to say, probably soulmates.

the script (available on the spn wiki for this episode) is not 100% accurate in terms of the dialogue, since some things changed during filming, but it does show the beats and writer’s original plan. based on things that have been said by the writers and producers regarding this ep, it seems the slight adjustments in the final product were to allow the soulmates reveal to be more subtle. but the script makes it pretty clear that the intent was for sam and dean to be considered a special case/soulmates

all in all, ash seems like he's had this conversation or a similar version of it with the brothers before. he references their many deaths only to be reminded they do not remember them. he seems to know he will find sam and dean together if they are both dead. he treats this casually, this is not gross or weird information, it is just a fact of death for the brothers.

so having addressed the shared heaven argument. the last piece of the puzzle that people seem to glom onto is the idea that sam and dean can't be soulmates, because of sam's memories. his memories were:

  1. when he was 11 and went to a real thanksgiving at someone else's house (likely a girl he had a crush on, or who had a crush on him).
  2. the time he ran away in flagstaff and kept bones the dog for 2 weeks.
  3. the night he left for stanford.

dean's memories were:

  1. he and sam celebrating 4th of july in 1996
  2. dean comforting his mother after she fought with john on the phone. this is sometime in 1983 (may or later) as mary references both boys when she is arguing with john. dean would be 4, sam some number of months.

of these 5 memories, only dean's first memory is a good one. everything else is kind of average for both of them. one could argue that all of dean's memories of mary are precious bc he has so few, but to be honest he absolutely would have had better ones, maybe even when sam was born or his 4th birthday, which they likely celebrated. why would mary being upset and needing a hug be one of dean's greatest hits? another memory of young sam would have been happier also (getting the samulet for example). this was chosen for a reason. dig at sam maybe?

sam should have had better memories too. when sam says, "I can’t control this stuff!" in regards to what memories he relives, this is a clue. someone else is controlling what comes up.

so, dean was shown a good memory, proving that this is what's going on (they are reliving happy memories). sam is given a decent memory at first to support this, though it does not include dean (purposefully). it is probably one of his better ones without him. the without dean part is important. and then he is shown 2 other memories that are happy if you squint but more importantly, guaranteed to hurt dean because they feature dean's biggest fear - sam leaving the family and more importantly, dean.

also, rather than continuing to alternate memories, once dean is upset, they immediately go to another memory of sam’s, this one guaranteed to push all his buttons that he has left to push.

finally, when zachariah captures them, we are shown that he is controlling the memory version of mary, in a pretty gross fashion, but only after she says all kinds of hurtful things to really fuck with dean.

but! this means zachariah very likely has the ability to control sam and dean's ENTIRE heaven and has been dictating everything other than their sojourn over to ash’s heaven. if sam and dean were not so emotionally fucked up because they'd been killed and then shown those memories and then forced to face guilt in the form of old friends, they might have figured that out. but they don't really get a chance to work through it. it's almost worse that joshua saves them, because given more time with zachariah, he probably would have gloated and one or both of them would have gotten there.

instead they get told a load of crap about god not wanting anything to do with humans or the apocalypse and to back off. and then joshua's like ok byeeee you will get to remember this yay! so of course when they get back to their bodies dean is pissed and broken and believes that sam does not hold him in the same regard he holds sam. and sam, still feeling so guilty over everything with lilith and ruby and the apocalypse, doesn't have a good argument to combat deans assumption. how can he argue with heaven, especially because those probably were not bad memories for him, they just weren't his best memories either. zachariah mind gamed him as well.

this entire episode is about him fucking with the winchesters on his turf (he flat out tells us this). he played them both off each other as he’s been doing since last season (see the voicemail, and dean being stuck in the green room).

so in the end zachariah got what he wanted even though he didn't get to torture their souls first. he successfully shoved yet one more wedge between the brothers and broke dean a bit more in the process. all towards his goal of getting the winchesters to accept their fate as vessels.

and if you think that this part of the post and my interpretation is far fetched, i would like to reference a 2016 tumblr post, where a fan described a convo they had during their photo op with jared. he was asked a question about this episode, and he went on to say that zachariah manipulated sam's memories in heaven, to exclude dean.

obviously this is not definitive, but i trust and believe jared and jensen more than anyone when it comes to the show and their characters. it also fits the rest of the data.

in conclusion: sam and dean do share a heaven and are a special case. according to ash, one way to describe them would be soulmates.

thank you for coming to my winchester talk.

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About Me and Suoernatural

Now that I actually have more than a handful of followers, here is a little more insight into the kind of Supernatural fan I am. Consider yourself warned.

I’m relatively new to the fandom, as in I started watching the show for real (not just a few episodes here and there) in 2020. I have rewatched the entire series, episodes 1-327, with no episodes skipped, twice. I have rewatched seasons 1-6, 1-8, many many times. I have picked and chosen arcs and runs of episodes in later season that I have seen multiple times. I love this damn show so, so much. And what has kept me most invested is the relationship between Sam and Dean, and the chemistry between Jensen and Jared. And I’m glad I got a chance to jump into fandom stuff (however periphery) before it totally dries up, and made it to a convention before Jared and Jensen leave them behind. I have done a pretty deep dive into all the areas that interest me, but there are obviously lots of things I don’t know about the show, and tons and tons of things I don’t know about the fandom. I have my own definite opinions on a lot of aspects of the show, but I think newbies telling the long-term fans what’s up (unless they ship Destiel) is ridiculous.

More on this under the cut…

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wif-san

☝️ This, right here, all of it. 💯%

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