one big thing i think people outside fandom (like, all fandoms, fandom in general, not any particular one) tend to misunderstand is they know it's a subculture of people who are weirdly deeply invested in fictional media, and they hear about drama caused by people in those subcultures being unhinged in not-fun ways, and they think the unhingedness comes from the fact of being overinvested in works of fiction.

which is a natural assumption, but in my experience that's not really the case? like in my experience the drama llamas in fandom are usually not the ones who are just genuinely very deeply into the fiction. i've known people who are basically thinking about star trek or x-men comics or supernatural pretty much 100% of their free time and ime that type of person is usually very nice and surprisingly functional in their regular life. when someone's a constant nexus of fandom drama it's usually not that they are obsessed with the actual work of fiction the fandom is about, it's at least one of the following:

and very often you get the same person doing 2 and sometimes even all 3 of these, and that's where the trouble really starts

holy shit I've never seen this articulated but OP is EXACTLY RIGHT.

Jensen Ackles talking about how much he hates the SPN finale and how his feelings about the way Dean died were completely disregarded 😔

The trauma must be ruining this guy's life. He probably doesn't even sleep at night thinking about it... #FreeJensen

And to all the morons who try to ruin this for him, 🖕🏻

Just because they didn't make your fanfics come true, doesn't mean it was the wrong way to end the show. Get over it. This is not about you 🙄 and it was never about a ship. It started and ended with them 👇🏻

💯 break your “sexy silence” Jensen 🤣

It was always about the brothers. Them ending up in Heaven together, finally at peace… it was the perfect ending.

Shaming Jensen for loving the episode, and being proud of his performance I’m sure, is pathetic.

I mean, it's fine if some people didn't like the finale. Not liking the very specific choices in pacing/beats/execution or preferring some alternate (reasonable) ending? Fine. Even for those that didn't like it because of their own consistent refusal to pay attention to what was actually happening for fifteen years' worth of show because they were writing OOC fanfic in their heads instead? Some self-reflection would be nice (especially four years later) but being disappointed is actually still fine!

It's the part where certain parties have been so loudly childishly entitled in their tantrums over said personal disappointment, trying to claim they were ~*harmed*~ by the show for not getting what they wanted to the point that Jensen feels he has to preemptively apologize for saying he liked it. That's where it gets completely absurd, and yes, pathetic.

If they could just get Jensen to stop saying he liked the finale so much, surely that would mean his opinion on it had changed! Just like they changed his opinion on the ship by badgering him about it! Sure, he may get more careful about what he says or how he says it, but that's because they've made it clear what a bunch of stable geniuses they are, not because he's suddenly realized he's been wrong all along about how he feels/the show/his own acting like they desperately tell themselves must happen.

do i think that dean was subtextually coded as bisexual of course not but i think it's funny when people go "if they didn't want us to think he's bisexual then why [mentioning jackles' looks]"... because that's how he looks. were they supposed to give him surgery

You really have to be like ..what if how your face looks actually says nothing about your sexuality... lol.

Yeah, this really grosses me out. Like there's a certain group in fandom that have convinced themselves saying, "lol, you look like you fuck dudes!" is totally a-okay if they don't mean it as an insult.

No. Assuming things about someone else's sexuality because of the way they look - or dress or whatever it is that isn't explicitly their sexual preference? Is still about buying into stereotypes and trying to dictate someone else's sexuality according to your perceptions over how they define themselves. Especially when we're taking about something they have no say in, like appearance. Sure, Dean's a fictional character, but Jensen is not and those people get so goddamn weird about treating not just his characters, but him, like some kind of should-be-mute sex object because of his face.

Which doesn't even get into how their understanding of queer-coding is about as solid as their understanding of queerbaiting. I.e. it doesn't say shit about genuine signals when you assume literally everything is a signal of what you want to see. Oh, Dean has a pretty face? So bisexual. Oh, Dean was stereotypically hyper-masculine? So bisexual. Oh, Dean was openly vulnerable and showed emotion? So bisexual. Oh, Dean was written as a character with traits? So bisexual!

Proship, at it's very core, is a combination of four general principles--

That's it. That's all there is to it. That is what proship means. These things used to be common sense. I guess it's not so common anymore.

me: i fucking love sam winchester

some fan: yeah, he's never done anything wrong ever and it's sad that he alone has always lacked autonomy and was a naive baby forced into every situation he's been in and hopeless to resist

me: no, not that one, the one from the show

YESSSSSSS!!!!!

You get it

Adding a LGBT+ couple to a show which at its core is about romantic relationships? A+ idea! Shoehorning a LGBT+ couple into a show that is at its core about FAMILIAL relationships? Nonononono

About Me and Suoernatural

Now that I actually have more than a handful of followers, here is a little more insight into the kind of Supernatural fan I am. Consider yourself warned.

I’m relatively new to the fandom, as in I started watching the show for real (not just a few episodes here and there) in 2020. I have rewatched the entire series, episodes 1-327, with no episodes skipped, twice. I have rewatched seasons 1-6, 1-8, many many times. I have picked and chosen arcs and runs of episodes in later season that I have seen multiple times. I love this damn show so, so much. And what has kept me most invested is the relationship between Sam and Dean, and the chemistry between Jensen and Jared. And I’m glad I got a chance to jump into fandom stuff (however periphery) before it totally dries up, and made it to a convention before Jared and Jensen leave them behind. I have done a pretty deep dive into all the areas that interest me, but there are obviously lots of things I don’t know about the show, and tons and tons of things I don’t know about the fandom. I have my own definite opinions on a lot of aspects of the show, but I think newbies telling the long-term fans what’s up (unless they ship Destiel) is ridiculous.

More on this under the cut…

(But first, enjoy this preview…)

☝️ This, right here, all of it. 💯%

I am going to say something that may piss a few people off (or it may not, idk if this will get any notes)

You are not entitled to your ships being canon.

You can ship all you want, and whatever you want but you do not "deserve your ship being canon" no show owes you anything. Except that when you tune into an episode you get content

People seriously think just because they watch a show their ship needs to be canon

Like the first fandom i was in on this account was Andi Mack, i shipped Jonah Beck and Cyrus Goodman aka Jyrus, i watched the show from the begining to the end, did i deserve Jyrus to be canon? No i did not, it would of been nice but i didnt deserve it.

I read the cursed child and i ship Scorpius and Albus (i even shipped them before the book, as i saw some cool fan art and headcanons and stuff) do i deserve them being canon? No i do not. I would of loved it but i don't "Deserve it"

FUCK FASCIST REPUBLICANS. ABORTION SHOULD BE AVAILABLE LIKE BANDAIDS. MY BODY MY CHOICE.

It should be legal to cut a man’s dick off for raping someone.  Not surgically either.  Just hack it off with a big, dull, rusty knife.  The maybe force feed it to him.

This should be a law.  We should work to make it a law.  

As opposed to Misha’s Lucifer and AU Cass. 

Exactly.  It’s funny but it’s also true.

What’s the point of Misha’s scenes as Lucifer?  Conveying the menace of Lucifer as a terrifying character who is recognizably in a different body.   What does Misha’s performance with all the grimacing and constipated expressions and pantomime of Mark Pellegrinos mannerisms actually do?  IMNSHO, not that. 

What are we supposed to get out of seeing AU!Castiel?  The impression that he’s a fierce warrior and a threat who didn’t go down the path of main universe Castiel who cares about humanity.  What does Misha’s cartoon Nazi accent actually do?  IMNSHO, not that.

What’s the point of the drug PSA?  To show that Soldier Boy is the last person who should be doing a drug PSA - it’s fake as shit and he doesn’t want to be there.  What does Jensen’s overly affected hearty voice and smarmy delivery do combined with the outtakes of him acting like a diva?  IMNSHO, that.

What’s the point of the Solid Gold performance?  To again showcase the pure ridiculousness of superhero celebrity in the world of the show.  What does Jensen’s old white guy supe awkwardly rapping and stiffly dancing in a super suit to a Blondie song do?  IMNSHO, that.

Perfect comparison is perfect.

Quick SPN fandom“stan” test...

How to know if you’re one of the dreaded “stans”, you ask?  There’s an easy test.  If your favorite character can never be in the wrong and you constantly shuffle the blame off to others, even only in part, for something that your favorite did wholly unto himself - you’re a stan.  So, yes, if you think anyone other than Castiel (& maybe Rowena) played a significant part in the “blame” for Lucifer running amok, you’re a stan.  If you think Castiel can be any kind of “innocent” after S6, you’re a stan.  If you think Sam was wrong to be angry in S9 because Dean’s decision “wasn’t that bad” - you’re a stan.  If you think Dean was wrong to be angry in early S5 because of Sam’s actions in late S4 - you’re a stan.  See how simple that is?

Jared contemplated saying goodbye to that relationship -it was a big deal. That in itself is testament that this wasn’t some little “blip” in the road that so many J2 and Jensen-leaning fans are so desperate to label it.  God I’m tired of being gaslit by this fandom. Anon is correct and valid for how they feel. It's exactly how I feel. This isn’t a bad faith take. He literally discussed saying goodbye to a friendship or continuing, and he just happened to land on continuing. 

Where exactly did he say that he "contemplated saying goodbye to that relationship"?

That's not at all what he said. He said that in times of hardship in a relationship you realise which relationship matter to you and which don't. Sure, that means discussing the possibility to let a relationship go in such a situation, but nowhere did he say that he considered it in this case. That's not a unavoidable consequence, just an option.

That applies to any deeper and longer lasting relationship, because at some point there will be conflict, and you have to work through conflict. And once you realise there is conflict you have to work through you will know whether or not that relationship is worth it. That does not mean you contemplate for every relationship to end it in such a moment. Rather, it makes you realise how important the relationship actually is in that moment: which relationships make you go "I don't care if this is resolved" and which make you go "we have to resolve this because this relationship is important to me".

He said he loves Jensen and believes in him. He knows Jensen loves him back. Don't put words in his mouth that he didn't say just because you like the drama.

I do get why some people are up in arms at the idea of Always Keep Fighting being mocked and I’m not in the business of telling people they can’t be offended in their own space if they so choose.  Considering everything else Jensen says about Jared this weekend and in general I really can’t seriously take it as an intentional dig at him, and maybe it was just a thoughtlessly clumsy joke made without considering the implications.  I’m actually more tempted to take it as a dig at Misha though.

The thing is, the way Misha so quickly jumps to answer that fan’s serious question in such a dismissively joking way?  It’s so diametrically opposed to the way the guy Jensen normally shares a stage with would approach it.  Like, it’s almost surreal how opposite it is (which is why I agreed it was obnoxious for Misha to put those words in Sam’s mouth at a previous con).  For me, intentionally putting a signpost on how Misha is saying the direct opposite of Jared’s usual uplifting message just doesn’t feel like a dig at Jared to me.  YMMV.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is exactly how I took it when I watched without knowing the fandom was melting down…

Jensen made the comment showing how opposite Misha’s answer was compared to what Jared would have said. Misha jumped in to the fans ask and answered really strangely. Jensen, having already commented so positively about Jared multiple times that con, was demonstrating that weird dichotomy. To me it was clear as day what Jensen was saying there. If it WAS just a dark joke, then I chalk it up to being a dark joke that he needs to realize doesn’t land with an increasingly critical audience. A bit insensitive- not in the same stratosphere as malicious.

I agree with you that I have zero problem with people saying they’re hurt, or expressing their frustrations. My problem is that I don’t think that’s what’s really happening- save for a few genuine people. To me it feels like people are constantly looking for ways to villainize Jensen at every turn. They need him to be a bad guy so they can justify their immense dislike of him. To me it seems the prequel was the catalyst for a lot of very bitter JP Stan’s, who were masquerading as J2 fans, to bring forth all of their resentment and now they must spin, manipulate, degrade and demean him to prove to everyone who awful he is and how superior Jared is. I hate even typing that because it’s such an unfair thing to be attached to Jared. Jared is wonderful, and doesn’t need Jensen broken down to prove it.

Another point being made is that they’re saying Jensen is becoming Misha. 🙄 They don’t think he’s becoming Misha- because most of the con he just praised and heaped love to Jared. For 15 years he represented the show accurately and always had Jared’s back. This tells me they didn’t actually watch the whole panel. What’s happening is that they NEED him to become Misha because then he is easier to hate, easier to defame. They also seem to hate that Jensen is….. not Jared?

For a fan like me, who genuinely loves both Jared and Jensen (bibro who related more to Dean, J2 fan who leaned a bit more to Jared) I’ve kinda felt pushed out of fandom. I’ve taken to defending Jensen more because these takes seem so unfairly malignant. I’m just…. So over it. Everyone needs to grow up a bit and realize not everything is some serious, awful, hurtful thing that needs to be dissected over and over again to find the worst possible takes. Over. It.

Sorry, that got long. Didn’t mean to hijack so much!

all of the above

I’m making a version without the puzzle peice because the history behind that symbol is rather offensive.

Reblogging this version, sorry about the first time everyone!

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Completely 100% agree with this so much!!