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you're post about what would happen if SM didn't follow up after Eclipse with Breaking/Forever Dawn (what a timeline that could've been... 😔) had this line that made me think:

I think you could still include some plot with the Volturi if the group Jane lead in Eclipse picked up any evidence of the wolf shifters and reported it back to Aro.

it made me think about Eclipse where they tried to hide the werewolves' existence from the Volturi...or I guess involvement? (I'll get to that later) and then later in Breaking Dawn where Aro is fascinated by the pack

thing is.....wouldn't the Volturi (or at least Aro) already know? Aro's whole thing is seeing every thought (maybe even memory) that went on in your mind from I guess the first thought you ever had to the present, and just from Edward alone he could've already known about the "werewolves" they had a run in with when they made a treaty in the past.

and even if that was a long time ago, from having touched Alice (who did in fact learn and met the recent resurfacing of the Quileute wolves) it surely would've raced some suspicions? or maybe even have an idea that "huh, are these people they had a treaty with part of the Children of the Moon too?"

now it makes me wonder the full extent of just how much of your thoughts Aro can read, or if Edward's "he hears every thought your mind has ever had" just being dramatic (like he isn't already with his chosen method of offing himself. lol.)

panlight answered:

Yeah I've often wondered about this, too. Aro makes it pretty clear in New Moon that he knows all about Alice from being "introduced" to her by Edward via the mind-reading, but is it like an instant download that he immediately just knows or is it more like a book he has to flip through, and maybe he hasn't gotten to the wolf stuff yet because it wasn't as immediately interesting to him as Alice's powers?

I think again it's probably a function of the books being written out of order, because he for sure could pull the "well I'd love to let you go home to my dear friend Carlisle, but alas, you have been fraternizing with werewolves and brother Caius has a problem with that :( " and try to coerce them to stay in Volterra to serve him to spare the other Cullens or whatever. Like he could have so easily just villain'd it up but he couldn't because they HAD to go home and finish high school and get married and have Renesmee.

I guess in my theoretical sequel-to-Eclipse he did find out about them when he touched Edward and Alice in New Moon but he just put it on the back burner and didn't mention it to Marcus or Caius and could have pulled it out later in this not-BD. That is, instead of the Irina thing, Aro could have pretended to be shocked by what Jane was telling him after reporting back after Eclipse (OMG werewolves?! no way! surprisedpikachu.gif) and used the "alliance" with the shifters to go after the Cullens. "To fraternize with the enemy is one thing, but to work with them to kill other vampires is quite another!!" etc.

And I still don't think we talk enough about the danger Edward put the whole family in by choosing Volterra as his would-be suicide method. Edward, my buddy, you gave all the family secrets to Aro. More than he would have gotten from anyone else because you, too, are a mind-reader. I mean at the very least Rosalie and Jasper should be pissed about that. If his plan to die had succeeded, he would have left them not only with the grief over his passing but the fallout from Aro knowing all about Alice (and everyone else, too).

#yeppp #like I guess rosalie feels like she's not in a position to get angry since it was 'all her fault'#but very ooc for everyone to be like 'awww yay edward's back from his suicide attempt and nothing has changed'#and nobody warns the wolves that this lethal horde of superpowered vampire mafia now know about them!!#meta #suicide mention //

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panlight

can I be anon? what was the point of all the other vampires in Breaking Dawn? how many witnesses did they really need?!?! and most of them didn't do or say anything?!

My hunch is that this is another legacy of Forever Dawn, which, remember, was originally just a bunch of prologues strung together after she finished Twilight because she wasn't ready to give the characters up. So I could easily imagine as she's writing this just for fun and just for herself she's making up a bunch of new vampires just for the pure fun of it. Do Mary and Randall do or say a damn thing? No. Do these 3-4 person covens make a lot of sense when there's a whole speech about how only vegetarian vampires can really form family bonds? Nope. But it's just Fun! It's new characters with cool powers and she's just playing around and often face-planting into ethnic stereotypes as she does so.

Then the publishers are like "ehhhh we don't want marriage and a baby we're marketing this as YA" and they want three books only. So she goes and writes New Moon and Eclipse and doesn't bring up ANY of these characters she already has in her head because for awhile Eclipse is supposed to be the end. No baby, no confrontation, so no need for witnesses. Then the books make a bazillion dollars so when she asks if she can do her fourth book and write the ending she wanted all along the publishers stop counting their money just long enough to say, "sure, knock yourself out."

So she re-works Forever Dawn and all these random characters we've never heard of in the previous books suddenly show up in the last third or so of the last book. There's no time to get to know them, no time to develop them. The only ones we've heard of before are the Denali coven (most of whom we meet earlier at the wedding, and then Kate and Eleazar become more prominent than Tanya) and Peter and Charlotte (who may as well not even be there for how little they matter in the confrontation, and who aren't further developed at all). The rest just come out of nowhere, stand around a bit, perform some cool magic tricks, praise Bella for being awesome and leave. And a lot of them come with partners and families because that's important to SM. So you end up with this bloated cast of new vampires, most of whom hardly speak and I think it's all just a hold over from her just-for-fun epilogues and again, she couldn't kill her darlings, she had to include all of these people even though there wasn't room or time for them. And by that point no one cares to improve it because this series is making them oodles of money so it doesn't really matter she's introducing like 20 new characters in the last chapters of the last book.

#yeppp #man fuck Amanecer #it does however create a uniquely ideal breeding ground for fic galore