No but the Hunger Games really said "what do you hate more- the atrocities or the people who commit them against you? Because like it or not there IS a difference. If you hate the people who commit acts of pure evil more than you hate the acts themselves, what will stop you from becoming just like your enemies in your pursuit of justice? What will keep you from commiting those very same acts against THEM when the opportunity arises? And what then? The cycle of pain and suffering will never stop. Round and round it'll go. Nothing will ever change. But. BUT. If you hate the atrocities. If you hate the vile, senseless acts MORE than you hate the people who did them to you. If you are able to see that evil is evil regardless of who does it... The cycle ends with you. No, you may never get justice. But you will never be responsible for making others, even your enemies, suffer the same crimes you have. The atrocities will never be committed by you, never by your hand. And that's the way you change the world. It's the ONLY way" and that's why I am sure it will never stop being one of the most relevant works of fiction ever created
The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins
re-reading the end arena scene in the first hunger games book and i really don't think the movie did it justice. katniss and peeta are literally covered in blood (fresh and dried), and dirt. their hair is matted, peeta can't even stand on his own. they’re both almost skeletons. when they realize the capitols going to make them kill each other peeta throws away his knife but katniss has so much ptsd she almost shoots him without even thinking when she sees him raise a knife, and then panics realizing what shes doing even though peeta is almost begging her to let him die. he's so close to death that he knows even uncovering his wound (which he does) will be letting katniss win. when katniss comes up with the plan to eat the berries the berries are FULLY in their mouths, and they can taste them before the gamekeeper call it off. and peeta gives her a 'very gentle' kiss (in katniss's own words) before they eat the berries. peeta passes out the second they're on the helicopter and katniss is so feral they sedate her from behind after she’s done screaming for peeta
everything about this scene is absolutely tragic and horribly painful.
honestly, none of the movies hold a candle to the books. a lot of character moments are removed (one that stands out to me is Peeta not being able to swim— an incredibly endearing trait which makes the 75th arena that much more difficult for him to get through than it already was) and a lot of the stakes are lowered. i feel that most people who haven't read the hunger games books don't know that she spends about half of the last game being partially deaf.
one thing that gets me is the ommission of Peeta's missing leg. it completely cuts out Katniss and Peeta's key relationship dynamic.
she spends the entire second book carrying so much hatred for herself because she was the one who put that tourniquet on Peeta's leg. despite the fact that it likely saved his life, she considers it her fault, and she's trying desperately to make up for it. that event informs their relationship for the ENTIRE rest of the series. things like Mags' death, the Capitol hijacking Peeta and making him fear her, and honestly even just her general preference to hang around Gale and rarely interact with Peeta between the first two games are severely cut down by Peeta's status as able-bodied in the films.
i haven't seen them in a good while, but if i remember correctly they also almost completely cut out Katniss' PTSD (or at least make it so mild that it's barely noticeable) in the last film. at one point, she spends literal months refusing to talk to anyone.
the majority of mockingjay is very much katniss's ptsd and it works really well because it is a first person book and you get to read her thoughts. that wasnt something they did in the movies because yeah they split it into 2 despite the fact that the majority of what made the book longer than the others (katniss's constant and complex thoughts) was sort of omitted. they also completely change the way she gets to the capitol and it really fucks with the story. in the book iirc (its been a few years) she works really hard to be allowed to join the battlefront and iirc in the movie she just goes. she rebels and sneaks off. this doesnt work as well because when she gets to the capitol they keep using her as their symbol and they wont let that group do anything real. for the book's version of events this is really a slap in the face because katniss worked so hard (and this is the ONLY thing she works hard to play by the rebellion: rules for). in the movie its not that much of a betrayal because katniss isnt trained for battle so of course she would not be allowed to do more than promotional material. to the rebellion she didnt earn it.
Hope. It is the only thing stronger than fear. A little hope is effective. A lot of hope is dangerous. A spark is fine, as long as it’s contained. So contain it.
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What have they done to you?
Things people don’t talk about enough from the Hunger Games:
- Many of Katniss’ strongest allies are women that are over looked by others (Madge, Rue, Mags, Wiress)
- While Katniss has a strained relationship with her mother, her mother is never demonized. Katniss recognizes the trauma her mother went through and was willing to try to improve their relationship in CF
- The rebellion didn’t start with the berries. The rebellion started when Katniss showed compassion towards a dying, black girl that the world had already written off as unimportant
- One of the beauty trends in the capitol that Katniss finds odd is the shaving of body hair. When her leg hair grows back in CF, she expresses comfort in it.
- Katniss’ character arc throughout the series is her understanding of who the enemy is. It isn’t the rich people in district 12, or the other tributes, or the other districts, or the people in the capitol. It’s the government and it’s Snow.
- Katniss never wanted another hunger games with the kids of the capitol. In that meeting she recognizes Coin’s commitment to perpetuating the cycle of violence. She votes in favor of it to cover her plans of killing Coin.
- The violence in the books is SUPPOSED to feel random and unfair. Prim being reaped was supposed to be against all odds because in the real world, violence is indiscriminate.
- Gale is a victim too and was not solely responsible for the death of Prim. He spent the first two books feeling helpless as he watched people he loved be put in danger and suffer. Coin offered him a way to regain control. At the end of the day, Gale is only 18 and doesn’t realize the depth of the games being played.
- Katniss is great with kids and actually enjoys being around them. She says the only reason she doesn’t want them is because she can’t imagine them being put in the hunger games. Her having children in the epilogue is a sign of her healing and finally feeling safe
HAYMITCH ABERNATHY
I was getting sick of drawing stick figures all day. So I decide to paint our favourite mentor uwu <3
I make a list in my head of every act of goodness I’ve seen someone do. It’s like a game. Repetitive. Even a little tedious after more than twenty years. But there are much worse games to play.
Hope. It is the only thing stronger than fear. A little hope is effective. A lot of hope is dangerous.
THE HUNGER GAMES (2012) dir. Gary Ross
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Finnick might have voted YES for another Hunger Games
I know this might be an unpopular opinion, but during my recent reread of THG trilogy it struck me that Finnick might actually have voted ‘yes’ to another Hunger Games had he lived in order to protect Annie (and possibly also himself, although I don’t think he cares much about his own physical safety) from Coin.
Annie says that Finnick would vote no if he were there. I do not doubt for even a second the truth of that statement if the vote were solely about his personal convictions. I am in no way saying Finnick personally wanted another Hunger Games. But I still think there is a possibility he might have voted with Coin.
This is going to get long. Apologies.
First of all, there is evidence early on in Mockingjay that Finnick has Coin’s number. You can see this when he and Katniss watch the Distirct 8 hospital bombing propo. Finnick’s political awareness and strategic intelligence are on full display. The most striking part of the scene is how quickly his mind works.
What happens is this: an interview with Peeta comes on right after the rebel propo about the Distict 8 hospital bombing. Finnick and Katniss watch it. Peeta is in very bad shape. He implores Katniss to stop making propos, asks if she can trust the rebels, insists she is being manipulated into being a cause of death and destruction.
Finnick presses the button on the remote that kills the power. In a minute, people will be here to do damage control on Peeta’s condition and the words that came out of his mouth. I will need to repudiate them. But the truth is, I don’t trust the rebels or Plutarch or Coin. I’m not confident that they tell me the truth. I won’t be able to conceal this. Footsteps are approaching.
Finnick grips me hard by the arms. “We didn’t see it.”
“What?” I ask.
“We didn’t see Peeta. Only the propo on Eight. Then we turned the set off because the images upset you. Got it?” He asks. I nod. “Finish your dinner.”
And Finnick’s plan works. (“I pull myself together enough so that when Plutarch and Fulvia enter, I have a mouthful of bread and cabbage. Finnick is talking about how well Gale came across on camera. We congratulate them on the promo. Make it clear it was so powerful, we tuned out right afterward. They look relieved. They believe us.”)
This demonstrates that Finnick has Coin’s number while also demonstrating that he understands Katniss well enough to know she is not capable of playing the game she needs to in order to survive right now. He is in such bad shape mentally at this point that he “basically lives at the hospital” and yet he is sharp enough, astute enough, and quick enough to realise in a matter of seconds that:
a) people will be checking on them any minute,
b) Katniss will have to publicly respond to Peeta’s comments as well as assure Coin and Plutarch that she completely trusts them and the rebels if word gets out they saw Peeta,
c) Katniss does NOT trust the rebels or D13 or Plutarch, and especially not Coin,
d) Katniss is, in that moment, incapable of acting well enough to convince Coin and Plutarch that she does trust them, and
e) the consequences of that would be bad, bad, bad.
Therefore, it is highly likely that Finnick would be aware of the fact he and his loved ones are unsafe when it comes to Coin, and this knowledge would have been a factor in how he voted during the Games vote at the end of Mockingjay.
In fact, he probably realised this a lot sooner than the Games vote. Finnick probably understood immediately that he was now expendable - and potentially a threat - the moment he laid eyes on Peeta, the newest member of the Star Squad.
Katniss is a lot less politically astute than Finnick, so Boggs has to spell it out for her.
“But you’ll throw support to someone. Would it be President Coin? Or someone else?” [Boggs says]
“I don’t know. I’ve never thought about it,” I say.
“If your immediate answer isn’t Coin, then you’re a threat. You’re the face of the rebellion. You may have more influence than any other single person,” says Boggs. “Outwardly, the most you’ve ever done is tolerated her.”
“So she’ll kill me to shut me up.” The minute I say the words, I know they’re true.
“She doesn’t need you as a rallying point now. As she said, your primary objective, to unite the districts, has succeeded,” Boggs reminds me. “These current propos could be done without you. There’s only one last thing you could do to add fire to the rebellion.”
“Die,” I say quietly.
“Yes. Give us a martyr to fight for,” says Boggs.
Boggs tells Katniss explicitly that Coin wants Katniss dead because whomever Katniss supports as the new leader of Panem is who the new leader will be. Katniss has this amount of influence because she is “the face of the rebellion.” Aka she is extremely famous at this point - dare I say, as the Mockingjay, a living legend.
Who else is a living legend in Panem? Finnick.
I think Finnick would have realised Coin might now consider him a potential threat the minute he understood that Coin saw Katniss as a threat, which I think he would have pieced together the moment Peeta joined Star Squad. While Katniss undoubtedly has the most sway over who will be Panem’s new leader, it is highly likely Finnick held some influence, too. He is one of the most famous people in all of Panem and is now famously a rebel due to the several propos he made. Being the Capitol Darling for 10 years probably limits how much political sway he has over the general public, and his mental breakdown in D13 probably lost him some credibility with the rebels. However, he probably gained quite a bit of credibility points and general influence after his powerful confessional propo that revealed Snow’s forced prostitution of the desirable victors, Snow’s deadly rise to power, and other salacious details about the other most powerful people in the Capitol. His primary use was his ability to turn the Capitol against Snow. Now that he’s accomplished that, he is expendable to Coin - just like Katniss. It just took longer for Katniss to become expendable than it did for Finnick.
So Finnick would have known he could not afford to give Coin the impression he did not support her fully and without hesitation. He had Coin’s number from pretty early on and has a sharp political mind. This leads us to the vote.
If you look at the Victors who voted ‘no’, you realise the none of them have much influence over public opinion. Peeta (a ‘traitor’ due to his capitol tv spots during MJ, then an ‘evil Capitol mutt’ when returned hijacked) doesn’t have much influence. His credibility is shot. Annie, who has a very public reputation as the mad victor, also votes no. So does Beetee. Beetee has more credibility than Annie or Peeta with the public, but he is older, in a wheelchair, and not one of the most famous victors so he likely doesn’t hold much sway. He also cites political concerns for his vote, not moral objections, a move reminiscent of a wise advisor to a king. He also demonstrated his loyalty with the bombing of the Capitol that killed Prim.
So basically, the victors who vote against Coin are the ones who don’t pose a threat to Coin. Johanna and Enobaria vote yes out of a desire for revenge. The victors with more credibility and sway (Katniss, Haymitch) vote yes knowing that they can’t be seen to not support Coin (Kat) and knowing what Katniss is planning (Haymitch).
I think Finnick would have known immediately what Katniss was planning, but I don’t think that would have any influence on his vote.
Bottom line/TL;DR: I think he would have voted ‘yes’ to protect Annie. Because he would have known Coin might see him as a threat and his experience has taught him that presidents use his loved ones to punish him or keep him in line. He has seen the similarities between Coin and Snow from the beginning and has been given no reason to assume Coin will behave differently.
the lives of victors
"Finnick and I try to station ourselves in Command , where surely first word of the rescue will come, but we are barred because serious war business is being carried out. We refuse to leave Special Defence and end up waiting in the hummingbird room for news.
Making knots. Making knots. Tick-tock. This is a clock. Do not think of Gale. Do not think of Peeta. Making knots. We do not want dinner. Fingers raw and bleeding. Finnick finally gives up and assumes the hunched position he took in the arena when the jabberjays attacked. I perfect my miniature noose. The words of "The Hanging Tree" replay in my head. Gale and Peeta. Peeta and Gale."
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay by Suzanne Collins
Some person lying on the internet with thousands of retweets/reblogs and no source: Gale was going to be Katniss's cousin!! The publisher FORCED our brilliant Suzanne Collins to add in the stupid love triangle!!! It was against her will!!! 😩
David Levithan, editor of The Hunger Games series, in an interview with EW: "But really she [Suzanne Collins] stuck to her vision pretty, pretty well....A lot of the process was more filling in blanks, it wasn't really changing the arc of the story at all. I can't think of a single instance where the arc of the story was changed as we were working on it."
begging you to go off, I'm here for the TED Talk.
The long version of why this rumor is so stupid it's actually pretty much an impossible scenario:
Suzanne got her contract to publish The Hunger Games on proposal. This means that, as an established author, she submitted an outline of THG and Scholastic bought it on this proposal alone. So then she wrote it and submitted it. The thing is, once a publishing house has a contract with an author, they cannot force the author to change anything (I learned this from one of the author youtubers I follow, my best guess is Michelle Schusterman but that might be wrong). As long as Suzanne gave them a book that matched the proposal, they couldn't make her change anything in it. Now, that doesn't mean that it went from her word doc to line edits to print. But what it does mean is that whatever changes David Levithan suggested, Suzanne chose to implement them. And as David himself admits in the quote in the original post there wasn't anything big to change. Anyone who's ever gotten feedback on writing knows it's important to get that feedback and edit accordingly anyway. So yes, David did encourage Suzanne to add in more Gale, she still decided to take his advice and as much as I'm an Everlark shipper, it was the right move for the story. And ultimately Suzanne chose what to put in and agreed it was the right move.
This rumor is just fueled by the people that either hate the romance in the series existing at all and/or hate the love triangle, especially due to Twilight and the way the movies handled it. But they fail to understand that it's such a cornerstone of the themes, Suzanne literally alludes to it in Katniss's last name, which is taken from Thomas Hardy's Bathsheba Everdene from Far from the Madding Crowd. To quote Suzanne, "The two are very different, but both struggle with knowing their hearts." Like you're telling me that Suzanne came up with that last name because Katniss figuring out which life partner she was picking wasn't going to be a key part of the series from draft 1?
Also I hate this because it paints everyone in such a negative light, except of course for those so enlightened they wanted Katniss to be single, or at least to just develop her romance with Peeta. It makes Scholastic and David Levithan especially to look like a huge bully who just wanted THG to sell based on a trend. Which is hilarious because David is on record of wanting Katniss to be single. It makes Suzanne look like a pushover, it diminishes her storytelling, her writing, her themes, and her autonomy as an author. And of course it's an attempt at a "gotcha!" toward the fans who do appreciate this aspect of the story.
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