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Discourse blog for when something /needs/ to be said. I don't link my details or main because I've seen what happens to people who try to speak out against harmful behaviour on this site.
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Hottest Take Of All: It’s not the responsibility of creators to prevent random irl badfolks from using their works to justify bad actions. For one, it’s literally impossible to control the actions of others, for two, people have personal responsibility, and if they’re mature enough to be engaging with a tagged/warned work they should know better

Fic writer: This is a mature work, and contains depictions of abuse.

Somebody in the comments: Hmm, but how do we know abuse is wrong?

1000 twitter reactionaries: This Is The Fault Of The Creator

It is not the responsibility of fic writers on AO3 to educate you. Their only responsibility is to tag and warn and that’s it. If you ignore tags and warnings, or click anyway despite not being prepared to engage healthily, that’s on either you or your legal guardians for not being responsible.

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Hottest Take Of All: It's not the responsibility of creators to prevent random irl badfolks from using their works to justify bad actions. For one, it's literally impossible to control the actions of others, for two, people have personal responsibility, and if they're mature enough to be engaging with a tagged/warned work they should know better

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I used to tolerate people boosting/expressing people posting anti viewpoints, because if you’re not familiar with the discourse around all of this then their faux-wokeness and use of progressive-sounding buzzwords can be sort of deceptively persuasive (sort of similar to other reactionary communities like TERFs and ace exclusionists, and yes, it’s also the same reason why conservatives are so fond of calling people pedophiles in the same way that antis do!). I mean, hell, when I first came across anti discourse I made the mistake of taking their talking points in good faith and was fairly convinced myself.

But, honestly, in wake of this new, sickening situation with what’s been happening to that fish blog (of all places) and the numerous atrocities I’ve seen these demons pull off over the past few years I think it’s about time we starting being fucking explicit and warning people about this stuff before it goes any further. As silly as it is that we have to have this discussion in relation to fandom discourse of all things, the vile rhetoric that has become simply normalized in certain communities is leading to actual real people’s lives being at risk, and unlike the immature bastards perpetuating this nonsense I actually care about that.

Here’s a cheap rundown:

  • People who claim that “anti” means “anti-pedophile” or “anti-abuse” are lying, even if they’ve convinced themselves that it’s true. It’s similar to how TERFs claim to be anti-misogyny.
  • Folks who have reblogged anti talking points on the grounds of the above likely don’t realize the deeper context, but if they don’t want to get wrapped up in the bullshit they better pull themselves out of those communities quick.
  • Most of the ideas spread by the hardcore anti crowd have been coopted from SWERFs and Christian conservative environments, which is unsurprising given the amount of overlap with those communities (reactionaries flock together).
  • The handwringing over female fans enjoying M/M erotica, paired with poorly mistranslated Japanese buzzwords, is both cartoonish misogynist AND racist nonsense.
  • The idea that we can prevent real world harm by banning fiction that portrays similar harm is cartoonish authoritarian nonsense.
  • The idea that fanwork locked behind explicit adult content warnings and more specific triggering content warnings will warp the minds of impressionable readers and cause crimes that they commit to be the fault of the author is cartoonish reactionary nonsense.
  • The idea that fictional characters cannot be adapted away from their original portrayal without a transformative work “really” being about the original portrayal, despite both portrayals being equally made up, is cartoonishly ludicrous nonsense.
  • The idea that adults cannot interact with potentially dark topics in a safe fictional environment without being somehow “tainted” or wanting to then go and enact those ideas in real life is cartoonish conservative nonsense (see the video game panic of the 90s).
  • The idea that people cannot have the personal autonomy to know what kind of content they want to consume and must have been involuntarily brainwashed by society into reading “impure” works is cartoonish SWERF nonsense.

The anti “movement”, group, community, whatever you want to refer to it as, is literally nothing more than a jumbled hodgepodge of the above ideas bound together by immaturity, in-group/out-group dynamics and the thrill that unsavoury people find in having designated target to bully (there’s a reason why these folks get violent so fast, folks!). This isn’t even to touch on how their abuse is usually specifically weaponized against the neurodiverse, queer people, woman, and other marginalized groups.

Antis are not just people who don’t know any better (although they often are that), but they are actively dangerous, toxic individuals, and their community is a breeding ground for abuse tendencies. If fandom is to avoid withstanding much more of this sort of thing then we need to start actively calling out these behaviours when we see them before our communities become defined by this sort of reactionary hand-wringing in what is supposed to be this cultivated progressive and transgressive environment.

(n.b. if you are here to leave a snide comment beneath this because you’re a righteous anti who is against the “evil freaks” who are interested in dark fiction then you can do so and swiftly fuck off).

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Anti discourse is eating fandom from the inside-out at the moment. This sort of thing is everywhere in the past few years, because the minority of people who gun hard for that sort of thing are so widespread, self-assured, and so ready to drop vile accusations at the drop of a hat that they are almost impossible to ignore.

I feel like a lot of people see this going on but don’t want to talk about it or comment on it, because they’ve seen the sort of fire that can be drawn if you don’t toe the line absolutely. People skirt the issue, or avoid talking about it, because really, who does want to deal with that whole mess? Who wants to risk the backlash? And then there are the folks who haven’t engaged closely enough to see through the buzzwords; the people who see a post that proclaims that it’s condemning “real pedophiles”, and like any outsider rightly would, thinks, “oh God, that’s awful!” and clicks reblog.

It’s a good camouflage, maybe even the best. I feel like these people might even have one-upped the TERF posts claiming to rail against misogyny, but by analogy at least I think people can be shown what’s really going on.

If we are going to make fandom a safer and less toxic place, I think we need to start facing this behavior head-on and stop averting our gaze as a community. As an individual it’s hard, I know. But there are real world consequences; self harm, mental illness, and suicide attempts (believe me when I say that I know from experience), that cannot be swept aside as easily as antis/fandom police can proclaim that anyone who disagrees with them simply deserves to die. If you’ve ever had tangential contact with that sort of discourse and have internalized what these people say as the norm, I think it would benefit you to take a step back and realize how unhealthy a mentality that is to have. It’s easy to denounce anyone who questions you as a degenerate unworthy of life. Makes things a lot easier for you, but I think that we all know where that can lead.

If you are reading this and truly are unaware of what I’m talking about, let me give you a brief run-down. I don’t have the time or the stomach to jump into this discourse as deep as the rabbit-hole goes, but I will give some context as to where I am speaking from. I am a queer woman with clinical OCD. So called anti-shipping/anti-fic/fandom purity discourse started appearing in my sphere round about four years ago, and pretty much nothing since has been as dangerous to my mental health. I cannot begin to sum up how much self-hate and anguish this sort of gaslighting has resulted in for me, but let me tell you, it’s been bad. My compulsion to deal with this sort of thing tends to manifest as anxious research, and so, trust me. I know what I’m talking about here.

Namely, if you are a complete outsider, there is a school of thought that has taken root in certain younger fan communities, among groups that feel like they lack control over the world at large. As fandom is often the main community that these folks have (I counted myself among that crowd), this frustration has evolved into an reactionary ideology that takes ideas about the cultural impact of fictional works in our society to ludicrous, absurd extremes.

Ideas about poor portrayals having the potential to convey negative ideas to a reader have evolved into the creation of a code of morals that frames any interaction with fiction as a form of moral advocacy for that which it contains. Shipping is reframed as an expression of beliefs about desirable relationship dynamics. Depictions of abuse are reframed as advocacy for abuse. The concept of romanticization, which usually is only applied to ideas in the context of otherwise contextless mainstream works without prior warnings, is transformed into an indictment of any depiction of any that could be perceived as harmful which is not followed by an explicit condemnation of said act. This becomes even more absurd when you consider that these attacks are often aimed at fanfiction which has already been tagged with explicit warnings for the reader. Always invoked to justify this is the spectre of “negative influence on the children”, but this is both neither the responsibility of random internet users operating in adult-tagged spaces, and also, as with the video game violence scare of the 90s, mostly unjustified fearmongering.

Perhaps even worse, this logic is extended to fictional elements that might be thought to recall certain negative ideas in the mind of the reader. Short characters are, fairly offensively, dubbed “child-coded”, and it is verboten to include them in any adult works. Similarly, adult AUs of younger characters which include sexual content are condemned simply because the characters concerned were initially portrayed by a different author as younger! This leads into a deeper rabbit hole, where fictional characters, who are plot figments with no “real” version or portrayal, are effectively reframed as if they were actual people, who can be harmed by the way that they are portrayed in fanfic. In some extreme fringe cases, I have actually seen this been expressed literally; by invocation of alternate realities in which fiction is real, or through otherkin.

These people will claim glibly that they are fighting against real abusers, and who would want to hear what a dirty abuser might say in response? But don’t be fooled. This lens is almost solely turned back on people in fandom communities who are most vulnerable, and is driven by an underlying fear of sex, sexuality, queer expression, and perceived “degeneracy”. Any slight excuse to construe a transformative work as impure is taken as license to reframe the author or artist as scum, and therefore worthy of the harassment they will ultimately receive. Tellingly, the most affected groups are often queer women, and this sort of thing can and does destroy lives and careers. Moreover, the vicious cycle of social pressure and retribution for stepping out of line ensures that this toxic ideology holds people who step into it in its grip, lest they be expunged from their communities. Sight is lost of the fact that, at the end of the day, all that the perpetrator is guilty of is creating fanwork that some people might find distasteful.

There’s a lot more to say which I won’t, but I will stress again that the harm that this sort of thing is doing cannot be underestimated. It’s an insidious and toxic mode of thought that seeps into communities through the buzzwords it leverages - accuse somebody of being a pedophile and people pay attention! But these words are being misused, and this discourse distracts from actual predators even as it is cause for unjustified targets to be suicide baited, driven from fandom spaces, and vindictively destroyed. People who already suffer from mental health issues, and especially anxiety disorders such as OCD, can be driven to self-destruction by the repeated accusations and gaslighting. We need to remind people that these behaviors are not normal, are not the righteous causes they present themselves as, and are not tolerated. In fandom communities particularly, I honestly believe that this issue is one of the most insidious and dangerous that we currently face. Fandom has become nominally progressive, at the expense of trojan horse ideologies such as the anti/purity discourse positioning themselves as too risky to shout down.

I think it is time to stop turning a blind eye, recognize what is happening in our communities, deradicalize the people who are responsible for the harassment, and try to fix some of the damage that has already been done.

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Some things about the world that I think it is important to remember in fandom right now:

  • People who create art are not responsible if bad people are somehow influenced to replicate immoral acts they portray. For the same reason that arguing against video games depicting violence in case it causes violence is bunk, so is arguing against fiction writers portraying problematic relationships bunk. People have their own responsibility to be good people, and it’s their responsibility to know the difference between write and wrong, not random people whose media they consume.
  • Fiction can, of course, be critiqued on its tendency to romanticize problematic elements. However, this is not a critique that is applicable across the board. Romanticisation implies a context that does not contain pointers to a potential portrayal of problematic dynamics, and presents them to a general audience in a context where it would be expected that you might encounter content that would be considered to be problematic in the real world. Tagged fanfiction published in niche online communities, where one has to actively search for a particular type of content to find it, is not such a context. The framing of most fanfiction is upfront about the content that it contains and implicitly assumes that readers should understand what that means and have sensible moral opinions about it. Ensuring this beyond correctly including tags and warnings is not the responsibility of creators.
  • Fictional characters are not real. This means more than “they do not exist as beings on the physical plane”, it means that fictional characters are groups of concepts and traits that are not inextricably tied to one another. No “version” of a fictional character is in any way more real or valid than any other, including the interpretation of the original author. They’re all fake. With respect to shipping discourse, it is in no way more problematic to re-imagine a young character as older, and subsequently ship them with an older character, as it would be if the author wrote about them getting older and subsequently forming a relationship. Neither interpretation is real. Neither versions have any baggage necessarily attached to them. These are just thoughts and ideas, and you shouldn’t let your attachment to a particular narrative line make you treat them as otherwise.
  • It’s okay not to like things. It’s okay to hate them, and be disgusted by them. It’s okay to not look at them and wish that never existed. That’s fine. That does not mean that a thing is intrinsically bad for existing. That does not mean that the creator deserves to be harassed. Such attitudes are reactionary and reductive, not to mention harmful and, at worst, abusive.
  • You cannot read minds. Do not presume that you know why a person might be attached or interested in a piece of fiction, or a fictional element. You do not know, and you are not entitled to that information.
  • Violent retribution is not okay even when it is directed against people you don’t like. All people are people, even when you hate them. You can’t opt out of your objections to retributive violence and coordinated abuses when you personally dislike the people that it is aimed at. These are universal principles.
  • Think about why the people you feel comfortable with attacking for creating media you dislike are often overwhelmingly women, queer people, and other minority groups. Is there perhaps an institutional reason why you feel more comfortable directing abusive attacks at these people? Perhaps it feels like they are less likely to have recourse? Perhaps people who face abuses from society are more likely to find value and catharsis in works that you find unpleasant. Food for thought.

You know what this is about. Please calm down. Stop, and think about how nuance is good and black and white morality is bad. Think about how analysis of whether a work has a positive or negative influence goes deeper than “is this thing that it depicts bad”. Think about why conservative hand-wringing over things like depictions of violence in media has always been deeply short-sighted and aggressive, and why that sort of moral grandstanding has always done little except to make vulnerable people more acceptable targets. Think about why forming your community identity around hating outside groups of people who commit thought crimes, who find value in the wrong things, is always going to hurt people more than it helps them. Think about the comparative upside of empathy, nuance, and not holding people responsible for the actions of others, or for imagined crimes that have not been committed. Think about how you don’t have any true insight or entitlement to how people create and consume media and how, even if you did, none of this would be an excuse to abuse people.

If you want an excuse to abuse a person because having an acceptable target feels good, perhaps it’s time to take a step back and think about what the real problem in the situation is. It’s easy to create a black list of people that are okay to hate based on their thoughtcrimes. It’s hard to have empathy and evaluate situations on a case by case basis, and assume that most people are good people. But it’s also much, much braver.

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Apparently corrective rape has nothing to do with me being a lesbian guys!

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx slit your fucking wrists pls thx rape lover

So corrective rape only is corrective based on what the RAPIST says?? @antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx eat shit, rape apologist.

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Females don’t have penises! Trans women committing violence is not female violence! 

Tell me again how this trans activism does not harm women and specifically lesbians…

What the fuck is the feeling of being female?

That’s what we’ve been asking for ages without receiving an actual answer…

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx What is this Fexxle feeling you speak of?

I don’t know why you’re acting like this is some kind of mind-blow. Literally every identity is a feeling. Being gay? A feeling. A feeling of attraction to the same gender, specifically. You are aware of your gender. How are you aware of it? And don’t say “because I have female genitals” or “yeah it’s the feeling of having a vagina”, because there are plenty of cis women who have had injuries or illnesses or deformities in some way and don’t have female genitals… but they’re still women. It’s an awareness in your brain. A feeling. What about this is so difficult to grasp, bud?

Explain what this Fexxle feeling is because as such I only know what I am due to my biology. Anatomy and Physiology. What feelings qualify me for being Lesbian?

So if you were in a terrible accident and every organ that makes you biologically female was damaged and had to be removed, would you suddenly not be a woman? Do people who have mastectomies suddenly become more male?

Uh, yeah. Your romantic or sexual feelings towards women make you a lesbian. Are you trying to argue they aren’t feelings?

You know that chromosomes exist and are not a feeling let alone a smell? You have xx chromosomes that determine your Fexxle organs. You’re still Fexxle when you still have xx chromosomes as that will not change regardless.

Try attraction.

Chromosomes don’t guarantee your gender. And since you just said they’re not a feeling, having Swyer’s Syndrome therefore shouldn’t give you any reason to believe you’re not completely female without getting a medical evaluation.

Attraction IS a feeling. ???

You’re absolutely correct. Chromosomes do not determine how I feel based on what I wear. Intersex people would really prefer to be left out your gotcha card. Intersex people are not trans•gender.

Explain.

What is this Fexxle feeling?

Intersex people prove that chromosomes don’t determine your gender. So what does determine your gender? Your body? Because that can be easily changed. The only reliable way to determine your gender identity is how you feel. Your biological sex can usually (USUALLY) be determined by checking your reproductive organs, but your biological sex is not your gender.

I don’t know. I’m not a woman. And more specifically, I’m not you. I can’t explain your own feelings to you. You’re a woman. You should know what it feels like to be a woman.

Intersex people are not trans. Stop equating them as the same. Trans do not suffer anything on a biological genetic level as Intersex do. And intersex are a very tiny and rare population aren’t they? Which means, yes your sex is determined by your chromosomes. We have yet to actuallt bear witness to a transwomyn giving birth and it being successfully without complications.

Again, what describes the Fexxle feeling for being biologically Fexxle?

Yes. Gender is nothing more than stereotypes. Roles and now feelings apparently. Thus why sex is not the same as gender as sex is not determined by what you wear, roles or feelings.

You make the claim. You get to explain!

I wasn’t saying they were. You said they were a small population, but you did acknowledge they exist. So if they exist and they have female genitalia and organs but XY chromosomes, then by LITERAL DEFINITION chromosomes do not determine your biological sex (or your gender).

Gender is the feeling. It’s not a role. It’s not a stereotype. You see someone of your same gender and think “me too!”. That feeling of relating to their gender is an indicator. You don’t feel your body reflects your gender? You’re trans. No gender roles necessary. All you need is an awareness of whether you feel your body aligns with your view of yourself or not. That awareness is what helps you determine your gender identity. If it does align? You’re cis. Wow. So not rocket science. Not everyone knows their exact gender, there’s no guide for what everyone’s gender identity feels like. They just know if their body aligns with their self view or not. That’s the feeling.

It’s called a genetic disorder. A GD doesn’t make a person trans because a GD is biological and not stereotypes. Chromosomes typically do determine your sex as per fact on a global scale compared to a tiny percentage. Gender is not sex, you know this so stop equating the two as the same.

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WHAT IS THE FEELING OF BEING FEXXLE?

If chromosomes are not a surefire way of determining biological sex, and neither are genitals, then it shows that biological sex is not the be-all-end-all of what makes someone feel male or female. It also shows that biological sex cannot be narrowed down to simple black-and-white. The point is that these things have fucking nuance. You can’t just point to chromosomes and go “you man and you woman”, it’s fucking complicated.

Feeling like your body should look female. If you feel you’re being true to yourself by presenting as female, you’re female. Congratulations.

I’m saying they are. You on the otherhand are saying otherwise with no surefire way that grants evidence of your statement true. It’s not complicated.

FEELING FEXXLE?

LOOKING FEXXLE?

PRESENTING AS FEXXLE?

EXPLAIN!

You’re saying they are a surefire way of telling someone’s biological sex? Because that’s been established to be false. The point is that many aspects come into play when determining biological sex, and when some of those aspects are removed, people still consider you that sex, so obviously the perception of your sex is based on what people assume. You’re right to say that trans women are not born biologically female. Most likely one of those aspects (yes, usually the chromosomes) will remain what is considered typical of biological males. But given we’re talking about gender identity, and trans women are not referring to themselves specifically as born biological women, they can still be women. The word woman doesn’t specify being born female. The definition of female is representative of the sex that bears offspring. Okay. But not all women bear offspring. But infertile women are still women, right? So what makes them women? “The fact that they’re part of the sex that CAN bear offspring.” Okay. What determines that? Because there are intersex people who can bear offspring. You can’t narrow down either biological sex OR gender to one specific thing. They’re different, yes, and BOTH of them are complicated. The definition of both is narrow and science (including neuroscience) is wide and complicated. Gatekeeping what biology means what identity you can have is ridiculous and infeasible. Biology is fucking varied. Keep your nose out of trans people’s business and let them do what they want. It doesn’t impact you.

This isn’t some conspiracy? They’re not trying to claim they were born biologically female the whole time?

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!

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Assflash newshole, being too dumb to understand the explanations people are giving you isn’t a gotcha, you’re just making yourself look like a dumbass. But hey, that’s not inaccurate, is it?

Also “fexxle” with a straight face, I’m laughing at how self-seriously you take this. TERFs really are just a stone’s throw away from incels with their absurd alternatives for women, huh?

Newsflash tranny IDGAF what you think and it’s already been proven your ideology is just sex based stereotypes. Terfs? Incels? LMFAO We use whatever we please because we don’t exist to please sick fucks with a fetish for our sex.

Yelling at me and tagging in your little echo chamber can’t protect you from the gaping void that is your heart, honey. Keep grasping those straws. Maybe some day you’ll be able to pull yourself out of the pit of hate you’ve dug for yourself there.

Oh so you’ve come back to continue under another account I see. So much for claiming to be done. LMFAO

Maybe one day y'all morons will stop pretending to be Fexxle via stereotypes and feelings.

Lol what, these three times are the only times I've ever interacted with you. Maybe learn to read URLs? Anyway, I don't intend to talk to you again so don't worry about it.

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Apparently corrective rape has nothing to do with me being a lesbian guys!

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx slit your fucking wrists pls thx rape lover

So corrective rape only is corrective based on what the RAPIST says?? @antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx eat shit, rape apologist.

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pussydagger

Females don’t have penises! Trans women committing violence is not female violence! 

Tell me again how this trans activism does not harm women and specifically lesbians…

What the fuck is the feeling of being female?

That’s what we’ve been asking for ages without receiving an actual answer…

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx What is this Fexxle feeling you speak of?

I don’t know why you’re acting like this is some kind of mind-blow. Literally every identity is a feeling. Being gay? A feeling. A feeling of attraction to the same gender, specifically. You are aware of your gender. How are you aware of it? And don’t say “because I have female genitals” or “yeah it’s the feeling of having a vagina”, because there are plenty of cis women who have had injuries or illnesses or deformities in some way and don’t have female genitals… but they’re still women. It’s an awareness in your brain. A feeling. What about this is so difficult to grasp, bud?

Explain what this Fexxle feeling is because as such I only know what I am due to my biology. Anatomy and Physiology. What feelings qualify me for being Lesbian?

So if you were in a terrible accident and every organ that makes you biologically female was damaged and had to be removed, would you suddenly not be a woman? Do people who have mastectomies suddenly become more male?

Uh, yeah. Your romantic or sexual feelings towards women make you a lesbian. Are you trying to argue they aren’t feelings?

You know that chromosomes exist and are not a feeling let alone a smell? You have xx chromosomes that determine your Fexxle organs. You’re still Fexxle when you still have xx chromosomes as that will not change regardless.

Try attraction.

Chromosomes don’t guarantee your gender. And since you just said they’re not a feeling, having Swyer’s Syndrome therefore shouldn’t give you any reason to believe you’re not completely female without getting a medical evaluation.

Attraction IS a feeling. ???

You’re absolutely correct. Chromosomes do not determine how I feel based on what I wear. Intersex people would really prefer to be left out your gotcha card. Intersex people are not trans•gender.

Explain.

What is this Fexxle feeling?

Intersex people prove that chromosomes don’t determine your gender. So what does determine your gender? Your body? Because that can be easily changed. The only reliable way to determine your gender identity is how you feel. Your biological sex can usually (USUALLY) be determined by checking your reproductive organs, but your biological sex is not your gender.

I don’t know. I’m not a woman. And more specifically, I’m not you. I can’t explain your own feelings to you. You’re a woman. You should know what it feels like to be a woman.

Intersex people are not trans. Stop equating them as the same. Trans do not suffer anything on a biological genetic level as Intersex do. And intersex are a very tiny and rare population aren’t they? Which means, yes your sex is determined by your chromosomes. We have yet to actuallt bear witness to a transwomyn giving birth and it being successfully without complications.

Again, what describes the Fexxle feeling for being biologically Fexxle?

Yes. Gender is nothing more than stereotypes. Roles and now feelings apparently. Thus why sex is not the same as gender as sex is not determined by what you wear, roles or feelings.

You make the claim. You get to explain!

I wasn’t saying they were. You said they were a small population, but you did acknowledge they exist. So if they exist and they have female genitalia and organs but XY chromosomes, then by LITERAL DEFINITION chromosomes do not determine your biological sex (or your gender).

Gender is the feeling. It’s not a role. It’s not a stereotype. You see someone of your same gender and think “me too!”. That feeling of relating to their gender is an indicator. You don’t feel your body reflects your gender? You’re trans. No gender roles necessary. All you need is an awareness of whether you feel your body aligns with your view of yourself or not. That awareness is what helps you determine your gender identity. If it does align? You’re cis. Wow. So not rocket science. Not everyone knows their exact gender, there’s no guide for what everyone’s gender identity feels like. They just know if their body aligns with their self view or not. That’s the feeling.

It’s called a genetic disorder. A GD doesn’t make a person trans because a GD is biological and not stereotypes. Chromosomes typically do determine your sex as per fact on a global scale compared to a tiny percentage. Gender is not sex, you know this so stop equating the two as the same.

Again,

WHAT IS THE FEELING OF BEING FEXXLE?

If chromosomes are not a surefire way of determining biological sex, and neither are genitals, then it shows that biological sex is not the be-all-end-all of what makes someone feel male or female. It also shows that biological sex cannot be narrowed down to simple black-and-white. The point is that these things have fucking nuance. You can’t just point to chromosomes and go “you man and you woman”, it’s fucking complicated.

Feeling like your body should look female. If you feel you’re being true to yourself by presenting as female, you’re female. Congratulations.

I’m saying they are. You on the otherhand are saying otherwise with no surefire way that grants evidence of your statement true. It’s not complicated.

FEELING FEXXLE?

LOOKING FEXXLE?

PRESENTING AS FEXXLE?

EXPLAIN!

You’re saying they are a surefire way of telling someone’s biological sex? Because that’s been established to be false. The point is that many aspects come into play when determining biological sex, and when some of those aspects are removed, people still consider you that sex, so obviously the perception of your sex is based on what people assume. You’re right to say that trans women are not born biologically female. Most likely one of those aspects (yes, usually the chromosomes) will remain what is considered typical of biological males. But given we’re talking about gender identity, and trans women are not referring to themselves specifically as born biological women, they can still be women. The word woman doesn’t specify being born female. The definition of female is representative of the sex that bears offspring. Okay. But not all women bear offspring. But infertile women are still women, right? So what makes them women? “The fact that they’re part of the sex that CAN bear offspring.” Okay. What determines that? Because there are intersex people who can bear offspring. You can’t narrow down either biological sex OR gender to one specific thing. They’re different, yes, and BOTH of them are complicated. The definition of both is narrow and science (including neuroscience) is wide and complicated. Gatekeeping what biology means what identity you can have is ridiculous and infeasible. Biology is fucking varied. Keep your nose out of trans people’s business and let them do what they want. It doesn’t impact you.

This isn’t some conspiracy? They’re not trying to claim they were born biologically female the whole time?

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!

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Assflash newshole, being too dumb to understand the explanations people are giving you isn’t a gotcha, you’re just making yourself look like a dumbass. But hey, that’s not inaccurate, is it?

Also “fexxle” with a straight face, I’m laughing at how self-seriously you take this. TERFs really are just a stone’s throw away from incels with their absurd alternatives for women, huh?

Newsflash tranny IDGAF what you think and it’s already been proven your ideology is just sex based stereotypes. Terfs? Incels? LMFAO We use whatever we please because we don’t exist to please sick fucks with a fetish for our sex.

Yelling at me and tagging in your little echo chamber can't protect you from the gaping void that is your heart, honey. Keep grasping those straws. Maybe some day you'll be able to pull yourself out of the pit of hate you've dug for yourself there.

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Apparently corrective rape has nothing to do with me being a lesbian guys!

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx slit your fucking wrists pls thx rape lover

So corrective rape only is corrective based on what the RAPIST says?? @antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx eat shit, rape apologist.

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Females don’t have penises! Trans women committing violence is not female violence! 

Tell me again how this trans activism does not harm women and specifically lesbians…

What the fuck is the feeling of being female?

That’s what we’ve been asking for ages without receiving an actual answer…

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx What is this Fexxle feeling you speak of?

I don’t know why you’re acting like this is some kind of mind-blow. Literally every identity is a feeling. Being gay? A feeling. A feeling of attraction to the same gender, specifically. You are aware of your gender. How are you aware of it? And don’t say “because I have female genitals” or “yeah it’s the feeling of having a vagina”, because there are plenty of cis women who have had injuries or illnesses or deformities in some way and don’t have female genitals… but they’re still women. It’s an awareness in your brain. A feeling. What about this is so difficult to grasp, bud?

Explain what this Fexxle feeling is because as such I only know what I am due to my biology. Anatomy and Physiology. What feelings qualify me for being Lesbian?

So if you were in a terrible accident and every organ that makes you biologically female was damaged and had to be removed, would you suddenly not be a woman? Do people who have mastectomies suddenly become more male?

Uh, yeah. Your romantic or sexual feelings towards women make you a lesbian. Are you trying to argue they aren’t feelings?

You know that chromosomes exist and are not a feeling let alone a smell? You have xx chromosomes that determine your Fexxle organs. You’re still Fexxle when you still have xx chromosomes as that will not change regardless.

Try attraction.

Chromosomes don’t guarantee your gender. And since you just said they’re not a feeling, having Swyer’s Syndrome therefore shouldn’t give you any reason to believe you’re not completely female without getting a medical evaluation.

Attraction IS a feeling. ???

You’re absolutely correct. Chromosomes do not determine how I feel based on what I wear. Intersex people would really prefer to be left out your gotcha card. Intersex people are not trans•gender.

Explain.

What is this Fexxle feeling?

Intersex people prove that chromosomes don’t determine your gender. So what does determine your gender? Your body? Because that can be easily changed. The only reliable way to determine your gender identity is how you feel. Your biological sex can usually (USUALLY) be determined by checking your reproductive organs, but your biological sex is not your gender.

I don’t know. I’m not a woman. And more specifically, I’m not you. I can’t explain your own feelings to you. You’re a woman. You should know what it feels like to be a woman.

Intersex people are not trans. Stop equating them as the same. Trans do not suffer anything on a biological genetic level as Intersex do. And intersex are a very tiny and rare population aren’t they? Which means, yes your sex is determined by your chromosomes. We have yet to actuallt bear witness to a transwomyn giving birth and it being successfully without complications.

Again, what describes the Fexxle feeling for being biologically Fexxle?

Yes. Gender is nothing more than stereotypes. Roles and now feelings apparently. Thus why sex is not the same as gender as sex is not determined by what you wear, roles or feelings.

You make the claim. You get to explain!

I wasn’t saying they were. You said they were a small population, but you did acknowledge they exist. So if they exist and they have female genitalia and organs but XY chromosomes, then by LITERAL DEFINITION chromosomes do not determine your biological sex (or your gender).

Gender is the feeling. It’s not a role. It’s not a stereotype. You see someone of your same gender and think “me too!”. That feeling of relating to their gender is an indicator. You don’t feel your body reflects your gender? You’re trans. No gender roles necessary. All you need is an awareness of whether you feel your body aligns with your view of yourself or not. That awareness is what helps you determine your gender identity. If it does align? You’re cis. Wow. So not rocket science. Not everyone knows their exact gender, there’s no guide for what everyone’s gender identity feels like. They just know if their body aligns with their self view or not. That’s the feeling.

It’s called a genetic disorder. A GD doesn’t make a person trans because a GD is biological and not stereotypes. Chromosomes typically do determine your sex as per fact on a global scale compared to a tiny percentage. Gender is not sex, you know this so stop equating the two as the same.

Again,

WHAT IS THE FEELING OF BEING FEXXLE?

If chromosomes are not a surefire way of determining biological sex, and neither are genitals, then it shows that biological sex is not the be-all-end-all of what makes someone feel male or female. It also shows that biological sex cannot be narrowed down to simple black-and-white. The point is that these things have fucking nuance. You can’t just point to chromosomes and go “you man and you woman”, it’s fucking complicated.

Feeling like your body should look female. If you feel you’re being true to yourself by presenting as female, you’re female. Congratulations.

I’m saying they are. You on the otherhand are saying otherwise with no surefire way that grants evidence of your statement true. It’s not complicated.

FEELING FEXXLE?

LOOKING FEXXLE?

PRESENTING AS FEXXLE?

EXPLAIN!

You’re saying they are a surefire way of telling someone’s biological sex? Because that’s been established to be false. The point is that many aspects come into play when determining biological sex, and when some of those aspects are removed, people still consider you that sex, so obviously the perception of your sex is based on what people assume. You’re right to say that trans women are not born biologically female. Most likely one of those aspects (yes, usually the chromosomes) will remain what is considered typical of biological males. But given we’re talking about gender identity, and trans women are not referring to themselves specifically as born biological women, they can still be women. The word woman doesn’t specify being born female. The definition of female is representative of the sex that bears offspring. Okay. But not all women bear offspring. But infertile women are still women, right? So what makes them women? “The fact that they’re part of the sex that CAN bear offspring.” Okay. What determines that? Because there are intersex people who can bear offspring. You can’t narrow down either biological sex OR gender to one specific thing. They’re different, yes, and BOTH of them are complicated. The definition of both is narrow and science (including neuroscience) is wide and complicated. Gatekeeping what biology means what identity you can have is ridiculous and infeasible. Biology is fucking varied. Keep your nose out of trans people’s business and let them do what they want. It doesn’t impact you.

This isn’t some conspiracy? They’re not trying to claim they were born biologically female the whole time?

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!

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Assflash newshole, being too dumb to understand the explanations people are giving you isn't a gotcha, you're just making yourself look like a dumbass. But hey, that's not inaccurate, is it?

Also "fexxle" with a straight face, I'm laughing at how self-seriously you take this. TERFs really are just a stone's throw away from incels with their absurd alternatives for women, huh?

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Somebody: Hmm, yeah. What we see in the mass market media does affect societal attitudes, and that’s why critique can be an important tool in the public sphere. However, fanworks using people’s interpretations or their own versions of fictional characters and settings don’t really exist within the same sphere of influence, and are more about personal exploration and expression, both for oneself and one’s friends. Media critique is really only effective when it’s directed more broadly against the institutions of power in our society, and of course the specific, personal persecution of vulnerable minority creators for perceived flaws in their personal fanworks strikes deep to the opposite of that and harms us on the whole overall.

*five years and a monkey chain of discourse and social shaming later*

Tumblr user tapping furiously on their keyboard: I heard that this queer woman drew artwork of two non-existent characters as adults kissing, one of whom was 16 when they were first introduced in the work they originated from. Have you called the FBI yet?

Tumblr user 2: Wait, shouldn’t we focus on this cis guy who was recently outed for actually entrapping people in real lif-

Tumblr user 1: Nah, he’s protected by too many institutions of power and is harder to reach, and also too scary. Let’s keep eating our own instead! Go at it, three.

Tumblr user 3: I’m just adding a bit more social shame and manipulation to my callout so that everyone is afraid to do anything but enthusiastically agree with it and... got it! Dialing now. Hello, Mr. FBI agent? Tumblr user fanficshipper5 is a pedophile, and... Yes, drop what you’re doing, this is super important.

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The word queer really gets on my nerves like I was trying to chat this girl up and flirt and it turns out “queer” for her just meant she dates trans men like hoe you’re straight leave me alone

Not to be a bitch but I feel like there is a small but non-negligible and vocal “queer” demographic who started using “queer” because they figured out that if they actually went into detail about their identity politics people would call them bigoted creeps. 

And that’s tea.

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“One person is shitty in a one sentence anecdote. Let’s use this as an excuse to further try and demonize people who use queer as an identifier”.

As a trans person, don’t use transphobia as your rallying cry against the word queer, a word which is especially useful to, you guessed it, trans people. I see your angle and this is trash leverage.

“Let’s find a way to demonize people who want to be nonspecific about their sexuality and who don’t want to fit themselves into particular defined boxes. Let’s extend one person’s transphobia to everyone who uses the word queer, and assume that they must be just as bad. I don’t have a vested dislike of queer people at all. Let’s rout everybody who is comfortable with this community identifier that has been established for decades. It’s because they have something to hide, and not because I want to force them to identify in ways I feel more comfortable with, folks!”

so yall think straight ppl are queer?

I challenge you to show me where that was said.

So you either think that dating a trans person of the opposite person makes you queer or you just like arguing on posts that say exactly what you claim to believe.

I mean you straight up said this post demonizes queer people.

I agree that somebody saying that they’re queer because they’re attracted to trans people of the binary opposite gender is transphobic and that said person would not be able to call themselves queer because of that fact.

I don’t agree that the person in the initial anecdote was being shitty. But the framing of said anecdote was to set up some commentary which essentially said “people who use the word queer? This is what those people are like. As you can see, you should be suspicious and dismissive of queer people, because many of them are probably straight fakers anyway”.

Because I disagree with that narrative doesn’t mean I condone the behaviour of the person in the anecdote itself. But the message of the post was in the context rather than the story.

It was literally me saying the usage annoys me at times cause sometimes it means some bullshit like wow you really felt like reaching today

I’m leaving this discussion, but it is worth remembering that just because you personally don’t think that something is a big deal doesn’t mean that it isn’t harmful, especially when this was less a personal gripe and more a 2000 note public post targeting the word queer.

I’m allowed to be peeved at it.

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The word queer really gets on my nerves like I was trying to chat this girl up and flirt and it turns out “queer” for her just meant she dates trans men like hoe you’re straight leave me alone

Not to be a bitch but I feel like there is a small but non-negligible and vocal “queer” demographic who started using “queer” because they figured out that if they actually went into detail about their identity politics people would call them bigoted creeps. 

And that’s tea.

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“One person is shitty in a one sentence anecdote. Let’s use this as an excuse to further try and demonize people who use queer as an identifier”.

As a trans person, don’t use transphobia as your rallying cry against the word queer, a word which is especially useful to, you guessed it, trans people. I see your angle and this is trash leverage.

“Let’s find a way to demonize people who want to be nonspecific about their sexuality and who don’t want to fit themselves into particular defined boxes. Let’s extend one person’s transphobia to everyone who uses the word queer, and assume that they must be just as bad. I don’t have a vested dislike of queer people at all. Let’s rout everybody who is comfortable with this community identifier that has been established for decades. It’s because they have something to hide, and not because I want to force them to identify in ways I feel more comfortable with, folks!”

so yall think straight ppl are queer?

I challenge you to show me where that was said.

So you either think that dating a trans person of the opposite person makes you queer or you just like arguing on posts that say exactly what you claim to believe.

I mean you straight up said this post demonizes queer people.

I agree that somebody saying that they’re queer because they’re attracted to trans people of the binary opposite gender is transphobic and that said person would not be able to call themselves queer because of that fact.

I don’t agree that the person in the initial anecdote was being shitty. But the framing of said anecdote was to set up some commentary which essentially said “people who use the word queer? This is what those people are like. As you can see, you should be suspicious and dismissive of queer people, because many of them are probably straight fakers anyway”.

Because I disagree with that narrative doesn’t mean I condone the behaviour of the person in the anecdote itself. But the message of the post was in the context rather than the story.

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The word queer really gets on my nerves like I was trying to chat this girl up and flirt and it turns out “queer” for her just meant she dates trans men like hoe you’re straight leave me alone

Not to be a bitch but I feel like there is a small but non-negligible and vocal “queer” demographic who started using “queer” because they figured out that if they actually went into detail about their identity politics people would call them bigoted creeps. 

And that’s tea.

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“One person is shitty in a one sentence anecdote. Let’s use this as an excuse to further try and demonize people who use queer as an identifier”.

As a trans person, don’t use transphobia as your rallying cry against the word queer, a word which is especially useful to, you guessed it, trans people. I see your angle and this is trash leverage.

“Let’s find a way to demonize people who want to be nonspecific about their sexuality and who don’t want to fit themselves into particular defined boxes. Let’s extend one person’s transphobia to everyone who uses the word queer, and assume that they must be just as bad. I don’t have a vested dislike of queer people at all. Let’s rout everybody who is comfortable with this community identifier that has been established for decades. It’s because they have something to hide, and not because I want to force them to identify in ways I feel more comfortable with, folks!”

so yall think straight ppl are queer?

I challenge you to show me where that was said.

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The word queer really gets on my nerves like I was trying to chat this girl up and flirt and it turns out “queer” for her just meant she dates trans men like hoe you’re straight leave me alone

Not to be a bitch but I feel like there is a small but non-negligible and vocal “queer” demographic who started using “queer” because they figured out that if they actually went into detail about their identity politics people would call them bigoted creeps. 

And that’s tea.

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“One person is shitty in a one sentence anecdote. Let’s use this as an excuse to further try and demonize people who use queer as an identifier”.

As a trans person, don’t use transphobia as your rallying cry against the word queer, a word which is especially useful to, you guessed it, trans people. I see your angle and this is trash leverage.

Me: *one sentence anecdote about how lots of people bastardized the use of a word and how it bothers me specifically in this one instance*

Me: *still apparently the devil and now I guess transphobic*

Me: *still annoyed by straight people using queer, though*

You opened your post with “the word queer really gets on my nerves”, which is about as broad-reaching as you can get. That really doesn’t sound like personal griping about one singular usage of the word to me.

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The word queer really gets on my nerves like I was trying to chat this girl up and flirt and it turns out “queer” for her just meant she dates trans men like hoe you’re straight leave me alone

Not to be a bitch but I feel like there is a small but non-negligible and vocal “queer” demographic who started using “queer” because they figured out that if they actually went into detail about their identity politics people would call them bigoted creeps. 

And that’s tea.

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"One person is shitty in a one sentence anecdote. Let's use this as an excuse to further try and demonize people who use queer as an identifier".

As a trans person, don’t use transphobia as your rallying cry against the word queer, a word which is especially useful to, you guessed it, trans people. I see your angle and this is trash leverage.

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necrokidd

✖ terfs 🕯🔮🕯 terfs ✖

~ due to a recent encounter, here is a simple emoji spell to cleanse your blog of terf interactions. likes charge and reblogs cast ~

+ terfs 🕯🔮🕯 terfs +

If I put a + instead of an x will it attract terfs to my blog?

God help us if people think this actually works in any meaningful way.

The genderists are susceptible to all kinds of magical thinking.

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Get your head out of your ass, like do you not understand the concept of “fun”.

Terfs continue to basically be like those atheist dudebro types who think way too highly of themselves and their superiority to other lesser beings *obnoxious sniffing sounds*

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the-real-seebs (who is a pedophile apologist in her 40s; search pedophilia on her blog for tons of receipts) runs a forum site called kintsugi.seebs.net, and she and her friends will frequently recommend it to trauma survivors as a resource. If anyone tells you to visit this site–RUN. It is not a safe place for survivors. It’s full of pedophile apologists and admitted pedophiles including dorothemap are welcomed and embraced by the community. This is not a safe place for survivors. 

(Screenshots are of dorothemap’s profile/thread he’s started about pedophilia, of tumblr user roachpatrol under the name roach admitting to supporting pedophiles in response to doro, a user by the name of littlewhitemouse encouraging doro, a user defending incest, and a user by the name of aondeug insisting that pedophiles and kinksters are inherently lgbt. the entire site is full of this kind of content, as well as rampant ableism, racism, and transmisogyny.)

Kintsugi is a site that Seebs created so people, survivors and non-survivors, who constantly message her on tumblr for advice and to advise other people who have messaged her can talk to each other instead of using her tumblr as a message board.

I honestly cannot believe you have gone this far to libel people so fiercely.

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(I don’t support this OP’s post, I just want dashboard access to this)

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can we at least acknowledge that the bisexual people obsessed with “sapphic” “wlw “mlm” and “achillean” are just trying to distance themselves from “the straights” as much as possible so they don’t have to acknowledge their privilege and power over gay people

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Can I acknowledge my desire to vomit on this post?

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