guys let’s make a story

I’m going to try and read Homestuck now.

Try is keyword.

WHY CAN’T YOU JUST GET THE FUCKING MAIL?!

WHAT

funnily enough i recently started reading homestuck

This may be the most terrifying sentence anyone has ever written on this website

Isn't it past your bedtime? *a young child balls up their fists and starts shaking in a rage fuelled dissonance*

I really don't like the colors here. The face is cute though

funny phrases to use when something goes wrong instead of jokingly saying "i'm going to kms":

feel free to add on

THIS ONE WINS

oh you know

Valentines for your quadrantmates!

FINAL ROUND!!

Tumblr's Poorest Little Meow Meow Contest

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POOREST,

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Not to be a fucked up pedant, but based on the actual number of votes HDB actually won

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LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

FUCK YEAJ LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

Honestly, the idea of implementing Discord-style reactions on Tumblr isn’t a completely terrible one.

Tumblr likes are functionally meaningless save as a mechanism for popular blogs to keep score anyway, so letting folks effectively colour-code their likes for individual posts by choosing a symbol to associate with them wouldn’t do any particular violence to the site’s functioning – it’d just get subsumed into the post’s overall note count.

However, I suspect that suddenly having dozens of icon to choose from when liking a post would be an intimidating adjustment for the site’s established userbase; it might be best to start gradually, with a smaller set of options – perhaps just three or four.

And you know, since we already have hearts

hey remember that person who said they'd read homestuck if they got 10k notes

yeah come kill me tumblr

STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS TEN CENTS A POP TOSS THE BALL AND GET EM WET

i feel honored

Alright. If this post gets 10k notes, I'm gonna read the entirety of homestuck.

are you Sure about this op?

This tag made me realize I might have to actually read homestuck. Actually it's fine this will never get 10k notes it's fine it's fine it's fine its f

Hey followers you know what would be really funny

I’d reblog it a bunch but frizz would get mad

Do it anyway

Might I interest you in Let’s Read Homestuck if you’d rather watch/listen to it than read through? https://www.youtube.com/c/Voxus

Also: circular gates of light in the sky that lead to another world

@keranos-god-of-storm-crows

That’s a great question Frank. What made you think about it? I don’t know if I think evil is something people are or something people do.

Because some people are evil, and some people don’t seem to have any particular reason for it. (Sometimes people have reasons and just don’t know about them – sometimes they just don’t want to feel guilty about it.) If you believe this to be true, then the question seems inevitable – how could this possibly be? What is evil if not that which causes us to feel guilty?

Also, because the world seems full of people who are really committed to “justice” (if I have to say it that way) while simultaneously being deeply cruel and/or uncaring – which is kind of a paradox, and one I don’t know how to solve.

So do you believe that evil is more something a person becomes as opposed to an innate/essential quality?

As for justice, people’s ideas of justice and how it should be carried out can be very different to each other. Some people might say justice sometimes has to be cruel.

Yes, I don’t like having to say the word “evil” here, because it’s very charged, and so I’m reluctant to think of a lot of people that way.

I do think evil is (often) something a person becomes, or something that they do. I think some people, in a moment of weakness or desperation, take the easy way out and start hurting people to assert their own self-image. I think some people are (like a lot of people) selfish and self-absorbed, and try to find excuses for it. I also think some people who really have “justice” (again if I have to say that way) in their hearts still hurt others for what they perceive as the sake of justice, rather than out of mercy or love. In other words, they may say and do “justice” but what they want is to hurt as many people as possible, because “justice” makes them feel good about themselves, and also they want to believe they have “justice” because they have “justice” in their hearts and have an innate feeling of wanting “justice.”

I would add that some people who say they stand for justice are knowingly lying, to get away with hurting others. That’s the sort person you might consider evil.

Is there anyone in particular you feel is evil?

I wouldn’t call him evil in the usual sense of someone who does horrible things, but rather as a kind of “bad man” – someone who commits morally wrong things but for whom the reason they do those things feels fundamentally inauthentic or “unnatural,” like a person who “wants” to be evil and isn’t really (consciously) choosing it.

I’ve written before about how John Egbert seems to me like a textbook “bad man,” and I’ve talked about this in the context of Hussie’s own commentary on the character. There’s a passage in the commentary that I wrote about a while ago:

“If you really have any thoughts in mind at all, it’s a waste of time, Dave,

because there is no one in this universe with thoughts like yours.”

He does things “because” there is no “one” who wants these things. Or, to put it another way, he does those things because they make him happy. His motives are his own, because he chooses to do these things by his own will. It’s the same with Dave, and also Caliborn and Arquiusprite. Even though these characters are often portrayed as “good guys” by Hussie and the fandom, I don’t believe they are actually morally good, because their morality comes from self-serving, petty, and self-regarding wants. They have no other reason to want to be good.

John in particular is my favorite example of a “bad man” because he is a child, and it’s the same sort of thing (or something like it). John is a boy who is always trying to do “the right thing” and be good (without really understanding what those terms mean), but ultimately he’s a teenager who is still a child and still just wants to make his life better. He’s a teenage boy who wants a girlfriend and an apartment in his city – but he doesn’t really understand the significance of the concepts of girl or apartment, and he doesn’t understand why he doesn’t want to have a girlfriend and an apartment. He thinks that having these things will make his life better, and that’s the sort of thing we call “evil,” because he has no “reason” for it.

I have read other people writing about these characters who aren’t as clear as I am, but who talk about how John Egbert in particular is a really compelling example of this archetype, because he is the only child who doesn’t understand why he’s “evil,” and doesn’t want to “become good” in any way. The closest Hussie comes is the “savior of the narrative,” who is (supposed to be) a “moral authority” whose role is to “overcome” the “bad” parts of the narrative. But that’s not what John represents.

I don’t want to say that these are “bad people” in a straightforward sense. John does things by his own will and because he wants them, and I think that’s fine, even admirable. I just don’t think you can “get good” by wanting to, or by doing things you want to do. If I had no choice but to walk in front of a truck, and there wasn’t anything I could do to prevent the truck from hitting me, I would still have a choice about whether to walk in front of the truck, or not – and maybe, at the end, I would be glad I did. But would that be the essence of my life after I walked in front of that truck, or the essence of my life before I walked in front of the truck?

Some people think that this is just a matter of “desiring the good” versus “desiring the evil,” and that we all should “wish” that we “didn’t have to” choose between the two. But in my experience people do in fact choose. It doesn’t make them evil, necessarily, but they choose. It may make them “bad men” who “want to be good.” But at some point they realize what they really want. In the end, it may not be better than a life in which they never felt bad about what they choose to do. But at least it is what they choose to do.

As an aside, I do think it’s “bad man” territory when characters who call themselves “good men” actually aren’t good. The archetype “good man” is about someone who, while doing the “right” thing, is not actually a good person. John is not a “good man” in that sense, for the same reason that he is not a “bad man.”

Frank! I thought you were worried about the state of the world and innocent suffering, and it turns out you were just thinking about Homestuck again. 😅

I am worried about innocent suffering (and about some kinds of evil), yes. But I’m not necessarily convinced that you, or any other reader, needs to be worried about the former to be morally motivated in the latter.

That's fair. But either way I'm fascinated by the interpretation of John as a bad or evil person. Caliborn makes sense, if any Homestuck character is evil he's high on the list, but John would not have been my first thought!

If you can't become a good person by wanting it - that is, if desire is inherently selfish - is it possible to be good at all? After all, can a person who does good things, but doesn't want to do them, ever be said to be good? If it's not possible to be a good person, why would it be possible to be a bad person?

The thing about Homestuck and about wishes and desires is that arguably one of the major themes of the narrative is that desire itself can alter reality if it is powerful enough. We see it happen many times in many ways. Characters with strong willpower can bend the timeline to their will, consciously or not. John, who values friendship and just wants to make friends and have fun with them, helps build the reality where that is possible, without always being conscious of how he's doing it. In context of the story, doesn't that make him good?

That’s a great question Frank. What made you think about it? I don’t know if I think evil is something people are or something people do.

Because some people are evil, and some people don’t seem to have any particular reason for it. (Sometimes people have reasons and just don’t know about them – sometimes they just don’t want to feel guilty about it.) If you believe this to be true, then the question seems inevitable – how could this possibly be? What is evil if not that which causes us to feel guilty?

Also, because the world seems full of people who are really committed to “justice” (if I have to say it that way) while simultaneously being deeply cruel and/or uncaring – which is kind of a paradox, and one I don’t know how to solve.

So do you believe that evil is more something a person becomes as opposed to an innate/essential quality?

As for justice, people’s ideas of justice and how it should be carried out can be very different to each other. Some people might say justice sometimes has to be cruel.

Yes, I don’t like having to say the word “evil” here, because it’s very charged, and so I’m reluctant to think of a lot of people that way.

I do think evil is (often) something a person becomes, or something that they do. I think some people, in a moment of weakness or desperation, take the easy way out and start hurting people to assert their own self-image. I think some people are (like a lot of people) selfish and self-absorbed, and try to find excuses for it. I also think some people who really have “justice” (again if I have to say that way) in their hearts still hurt others for what they perceive as the sake of justice, rather than out of mercy or love. In other words, they may say and do “justice” but what they want is to hurt as many people as possible, because “justice” makes them feel good about themselves, and also they want to believe they have “justice” because they have “justice” in their hearts and have an innate feeling of wanting “justice.”

I would add that some people who say they stand for justice are knowingly lying, to get away with hurting others. That’s the sort person you might consider evil.

Is there anyone in particular you feel is evil?

I wouldn’t call him evil in the usual sense of someone who does horrible things, but rather as a kind of “bad man” – someone who commits morally wrong things but for whom the reason they do those things feels fundamentally inauthentic or “unnatural,” like a person who “wants” to be evil and isn’t really (consciously) choosing it.

I’ve written before about how John Egbert seems to me like a textbook “bad man,” and I’ve talked about this in the context of Hussie’s own commentary on the character. There’s a passage in the commentary that I wrote about a while ago:

“If you really have any thoughts in mind at all, it’s a waste of time, Dave,

because there is no one in this universe with thoughts like yours.”

He does things “because” there is no “one” who wants these things. Or, to put it another way, he does those things because they make him happy. His motives are his own, because he chooses to do these things by his own will. It’s the same with Dave, and also Caliborn and Arquiusprite. Even though these characters are often portrayed as “good guys” by Hussie and the fandom, I don’t believe they are actually morally good, because their morality comes from self-serving, petty, and self-regarding wants. They have no other reason to want to be good.

John in particular is my favorite example of a “bad man” because he is a child, and it’s the same sort of thing (or something like it). John is a boy who is always trying to do “the right thing” and be good (without really understanding what those terms mean), but ultimately he’s a teenager who is still a child and still just wants to make his life better. He’s a teenage boy who wants a girlfriend and an apartment in his city – but he doesn’t really understand the significance of the concepts of girl or apartment, and he doesn’t understand why he doesn’t want to have a girlfriend and an apartment. He thinks that having these things will make his life better, and that’s the sort of thing we call “evil,” because he has no “reason” for it.

I have read other people writing about these characters who aren’t as clear as I am, but who talk about how John Egbert in particular is a really compelling example of this archetype, because he is the only child who doesn’t understand why he’s “evil,” and doesn’t want to “become good” in any way. The closest Hussie comes is the “savior of the narrative,” who is (supposed to be) a “moral authority” whose role is to “overcome” the “bad” parts of the narrative. But that’s not what John represents.

I don’t want to say that these are “bad people” in a straightforward sense. John does things by his own will and because he wants them, and I think that’s fine, even admirable. I just don’t think you can “get good” by wanting to, or by doing things you want to do. If I had no choice but to walk in front of a truck, and there wasn’t anything I could do to prevent the truck from hitting me, I would still have a choice about whether to walk in front of the truck, or not – and maybe, at the end, I would be glad I did. But would that be the essence of my life after I walked in front of that truck, or the essence of my life before I walked in front of the truck?

Some people think that this is just a matter of “desiring the good” versus “desiring the evil,” and that we all should “wish” that we “didn’t have to” choose between the two. But in my experience people do in fact choose. It doesn’t make them evil, necessarily, but they choose. It may make them “bad men” who “want to be good.” But at some point they realize what they really want. In the end, it may not be better than a life in which they never felt bad about what they choose to do. But at least it is what they choose to do.

As an aside, I do think it’s “bad man” territory when characters who call themselves “good men” actually aren’t good. The archetype “good man” is about someone who, while doing the “right” thing, is not actually a good person. John is not a “good man” in that sense, for the same reason that he is not a “bad man.”

Frank! I thought you were worried about the state of the world and innocent suffering, and it turns out you were just thinking about Homestuck again. 😅

You have been called upon by the Bard. You are now a Bard.

[Dave]

[Rose]

[Karkat]

[Jade]

[Dave]

[Rose]

frank i hate to say homestuck things but none of those characters are bards

“What is the difference, my liege, between an ass and a bard?”

cricket noises

“well??”

cricket noises

“why do I have to do all the hard work?”

cricket noises

“…there is no difference.”

cricket noises

homestuck, for all its insanity, still has the best quotes, my favorite being “the circle of stupidity is complete”

mine might be that one karkat rant like ‘your vehicle is parked squarely in the ‘nobody gives a fuck’ zone’

“Yes sir we are literally under siege by planet fucking Jupiter.”

“shit. let’s be santa”

“i’m 13 u egg”

That might be the saddest thing I’ve ever heard get said.

Well you see, the explanation is perfectly simple and scientific.  It was because shut up.  Shut up is why.

I’d throw it in the lava but that would be a waste of melting

“How old are you?” “6” “Goddamn”

Kick it barak

TIME TO RENDEZVOUS WITH MY HOMIE KILLA AND DROP THE SPECIAL SCIENCE ON HIM

My personal favorite:

time to fly up away into the sun you fucknig piece of gargbage

KARKAT: THAT SOUNDS SUPER! DOESN’T THAT SOUND SUPER KANAYA? KANAYA: No KARKAT: I THINK I SPEAK FOR KANAYA WHEN I SAY IT SOUNDS Really Fucking Super.

“You have a hat full of bomb, a fist full of penis, and a head full of empty” is my favorite tbh

@pacifriske

“This is exactly why babies shouldn’t be allowed to dual wield flintlock pistols”

*Terezi voice*  D4V3 1S TH1S YOU