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@ungoliantschilde / ungoliantschilde.tumblr.com

My name is John and I am into Comics, Movies, Artwork, Painting, Rock'n'Roll and Music in General and Pop-Culture in particular. I enjoy polite discussions and requests!
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Anonymous asked:

Thoughts on Orion? I've been slowly working my way into that New God business and Orion seems kinda neat, being raised by the opposite side and turning out good as a sort of nature over nurture type of deal while also being prophesized to take out Darkseid which is always a neat idea, seems kinda Greekish for a god to be destined to be taken out by their own son. Also kinda seems like a chill guy lmao

docgold13 answered:

Orion is awesome.  And in retrospect I like that his tale wasn’t about nurture over nature, but rather nature and nurture working in tandem.  He was valiant and nobel and selfless as he was raised to be by his adopted father, but was still plague by the rage and recklessness that he inherited from his biological father.     

Orion is in many ways the prototypical Kirby hero.  He’s basically all these different mythological achitypes thrown together into a blender and decked out in cosmic threads.  

When I first read New Gods and it was revealed that Darksied is Orion’s father, I thought it was a rip off on Star Wars.  I didn’t realize at the time that the comics came out a number of years before Empire Strikes Back... that if anything Star Wars was actually riffing on New Gods.    

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wreckthisgiantdoom

According to Tom Scioli’s Kirby biography, the similarities between his work and Star Wars did not go unnoticed by Jack.

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docgold13

lol perfect :D

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ungoliantschilde

There is a very strong thread of Shakespearean influence with Kirby. The New Gods, the Asgardians, the Eternals, and the Inhumans are all remarkably Shakespearean in their thematic makeup.

Orion is like a war-mongering Hamlet. Raging against the memory of his father, while striving to be his own man, and yet doomed to be the same man as Uxas.

If anything, the heavy-handed Shakespearean influences were a turnoff for me in the beginning. They’re so overt that it was like getting hit over the head with the themes.

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I am a fan of Kirby’s artwork and concepts. His writing is not great… it’s like Aasimov. Great ideas, storylines, and concepts but HORRIBLE character writing. Kirby’s ideas are amazing.

Orion is maybe his best original idea, in that it is so purely Kirby. There is no other creator. Orion is all Kirby. As I said, the Shakespearean themes abound, but the design is all Kirby.

So, as a fan of Orion, I have two suggestions: read Grant Morrison’s DC Comics work, and especially read Walt Simonson’s Orion book.

Grant Morrison & Howard Porter:

Walt-Mother-Fucking-Simonson:

#indeed#jack kirby#orion#new gods#fourth world#art#illustration#comics#master class#dc comics#dc#Grant Morrison#Howard Porter#Walt Simonson
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Anonymous asked:

Thoughts on Orion? I've been slowly working my way into that New God business and Orion seems kinda neat, being raised by the opposite side and turning out good as a sort of nature over nurture type of deal while also being prophesized to take out Darkseid which is always a neat idea, seems kinda Greekish for a god to be destined to be taken out by their own son. Also kinda seems like a chill guy lmao

docgold13 answered:

Orion is awesome.  And in retrospect I like that his tale wasn’t about nurture over nature, but rather nature and nurture working in tandem.  He was valiant and nobel and selfless as he was raised to be by his adopted father, but was still plague by the rage and recklessness that he inherited from his biological father.     

Orion is in many ways the prototypical Kirby hero.  He’s basically all these different mythological achitypes thrown together into a blender and decked out in cosmic threads.  

When I first read New Gods and it was revealed that Darksied is Orion’s father, I thought it was a rip off on Star Wars.  I didn’t realize at the time that the comics came out a number of years before Empire Strikes Back... that if anything Star Wars was actually riffing on New Gods.    

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wreckthisgiantdoom

According to Tom Scioli’s Kirby biography, the similarities between his work and Star Wars did not go unnoticed by Jack.

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docgold13

lol perfect :D

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ungoliantschilde

There is a very strong thread of Shakespearean influence with Kirby. The New Gods, the Asgardians, the Eternals, and the Inhumans are all remarkably Shakespearean in their thematic makeup.

Orion is like a war-mongering Hamlet. Raging against the memory of his father, while striving to be his own man, and yet doomed to be the same man as Uxas.

If anything, the heavy-handed Shakespearean influences were a turnoff for me in the beginning. They’re so overt that it was like getting hit over the head with the themes.

#art#illustration#comics#Orion#New Gods#Jack Kirby#Shakespeare#DC Comics#Uxas#Darkseid#DC#Master Class
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cosmictreadmill27 asked:

I love Kirby's take on it but the chariots of the gods thing got old fast. When I was in high school they started that "ancient aliens" show (which apparently is still on the air) and it is all bullshit. And that's fine for the most part alien enthusiasts deserve their fun too. But it does sort of infect amateurs attempting to research ancient mythology. Like I follow a lot of youtube channels that talk about mythology. This 1 channel posted a video on the Sumerian Anunnaki gods. I swear it was beat for beat how the Celestials created the Eternals, Deviants, and Humans. I was curious so I looked it up and that YouTuber was telling an ancient myth but interpreted and skewed to sound like astronauts. It was the same interpretation Chariots used. The same interpretation that has been thoroughly debunked. But chariots covered a lot of different cultures and Kirby's Eternals and Asgardians span several. But the narrative of the celestials and eternals are seemingly based on a weird take on the Anunnaki.

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docgold13 answered:

That’s well put.  Chariots of the Gods was a fun, pulpy read but I agree the novelty runs thin quickly.  And those Ancient Alien tv shows are too silly to take... often times the ideas veer a bit racist... like The Greek’s creating aqueducts is somehow plausible by the Inca doing the same must be the work of aliens? 

Plus a lot of Däniken’s ideas in Chariots of the Gods was straight out pilfered from the works of Robert Charroux, HP Lovecraft, Carl Jung and others.  And yes, as you say, all of it has been completely debunked...  on can have science and religion and it’s fine; try to mix the two together and it’s always going to fall apart.     

Perhaps all that alien astronaut stuff felt more innocuous in the days before ‘fake news’ and ‘alternative facts.’  Damn, remember when conspiracy theories used to be fun?  One of the many, many things that the alt right has ruined.  Conspiracy theories used to be silly and less noxious... like Elvis was a alien sent back in time to kill JFK.  Now it’s all messed up and racist... like Obama is a secret Kenyan who eats babies in a pizza dungeon.  Qanon has ruined the fun conspiracy nut trope forever...    

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ungoliantschilde

It gets even more interesting when you examine Kirby's work as a whole, regardless of the publisher.

Remember, he did his work on the Fourth World, the Demon, the Eternals, and 2001: a Space Odyssey in the span of about 10 years.

In retrospect, there are clearly common themes across his published work from that era, as well as sketches and concepts that wound up in fanzines, and so forth.

He even produced a portfolio depicting parts and figures from the Old Testament.

the Almighty God:

the Jewish People and Yahweh:

the Archangel Michael, casting Lucifer out of Paradise:

and Moses leading his people out of Bondage:

All of these were produced and conceptualized by Kirby in the 1970s. He was clearly thinking through these concepts and working out ways of talking about them.

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ungoliantschilde

I gotta add the concept of the Source Wall into this mix. A wall that encapsulates all of existence. That just HAS to be psychologically significant.

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anarchy-in-the-pre-k

this is all really cool and an excellent post overall bc i love discussions on religion in jack kirby’s art but i gotta point out that the last two images are actually of jacob wrestling an angel and joshua preparing to conquer jericho.

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docgold13

It’s a shame Jack Kirby and Joseph Campbell never got to work on a joint project... could you even imagine?!?

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ungoliantschilde

Yes! Thank you for the corrections.

I knew of the images, so I was just googling. I did not remember the exact titles. I have since posted the entire Kirby portfolio, with the correct titles for each of the plates.

Rereading my post, it implies that the Gods Portfolio cover is the cover for those 4 religious black and white prints. The gods portfolio is coming up next.

In the meantime, here’s one of my older discussion about the origins of Uatu.

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ungoliantschilde

Here:

Jack Kirby’s Gods Portfolio

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docgold13

Also a lot of fun is Kirby’s take on the deities of the Buddhist and Hindu pantheon(s) as evidenced by his wild concept art for Roger Zalazny’s The Lords of Light.  

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ungoliantschilde

Dude.

This keeps getting better. I posted a huge portfolio of Kirby’s back in the day. I will have to dig through my archives...

#jack kirby#art#illustration#comics#master class#eternals#new gods#2001: a Space Odyssey#the Demon#the Gods Portfolio
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