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I think that DA2 makes some very salient points about how parents can be cruel, intentionally or otherwise. 

Leandra is constantly trying to turn the siblings against each other, even if she doesn’t realise she’s doing it. Bethany’s assigned to being the delicate flower who must be hidden; Carver’s the muscle, the cannon fodder, the bodyguard; Hawke’s not quite a third parent, but the head of the household when Leandra panics and goes passive in the face of trauma and overwhelming grief. When they step out of these roles, Leandra snaps at them and doesn’t know how to deal with it, because the playbook helps her cope. Leandra and Malcolm established these roles in difficult times, and now neither she nor her offspring knows how to get out of them. They’re all stuck in the same old play. And they all do it “to keep each other safe.” 

And it’s multigenerational. Leandra’s parents did the exact same to her and Gamlen, golden child vs. scapegoat. I find it fascinating how Leandra kind of modelled Hawke and Carver’s relationship on herself and Gamlen, in her mind, because it was all she knew - and got frustrated when they didn’t fit that. (For a start, Carver actually gives a damn about Hawke’s welfare and isn’t completely eaten alive by his resentment.) Sure, Bethany coming along at the same time as Carver helped her balance that out (even if she made Bethany the golden girl; “the pride, the scholar,” as Gamlen sneeringly describes young Leandra, and Leandra clearly saw herself in Beth most of all, thinking of herself as the mediator, too) but with Beth gone, old stress and new grief, and Gamlen being around again, that projection worsened. 

And even before then, Malcolm constantly making them live on the run and him hammering home stuff about not ending up in the Circle and “protect your sisters, protect your siblings”… that just hammered home the “you are whiny and expendable” Carver must have felt as a kid, and combined with the Amell family history on his mum’s side to make things… difficult. Old, dysfunctional patterns.

No wonder Carver and Hawke’s relationship is so difficult. No wonder Carver always felt closer to Bethany and is left very adrift when she dies, and vice versa.

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glassgospels

so leandra tells bethany she ‘wishes she’d died with carver’… she says that to her youngest kid’s face… she flat out says that without any regard to what her child is going through…

meanwhile carver more or less states that she blames both hawke and carver for bethany’s death… perhaps even going so far as to blame hawke when hawke is present and then blame carver when hawke’s not… 

and… you never once get to talk to her about it or call her on it. hawke is so hellbent on providing a better life for her but nvr once does he stop and go ‘why did you tell bethany you wish you were dead’ or ‘why are you making carver feel like bethany’s death is his fault’ i mean nvm that bethany has self loathe enough at that point bc she feels it’s her fault for being a mage and nvm that carver at that point had been at ostagar without any of his family and blames himself for ostagar, that he had been lashing out in grief bc he wanted to feel like something between there and lothering and kirkwall wasn’t his fault, nvm that that happens

like

am i the only one who gets itchy remembering all of this or

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Carver:

  • Carver’s proficiency with a sword is pretty much all self-taught. While Malcolm tried to show him a few things, mostly he would come up with his own drills from watching mercenaries spar, then copying their moves with wooden sticks.
  • He received some proper training when joining the infantry, but “bitched to no end while doing it.”
  • When asked why he joined the infantry for the King’s Army, Carver said he just wanted to protect his family, because “someone had to” after Malcolm died.
  • In the Battle of Ostagar, Carver cut his own wedge in the darkspawn horde. Even when it was clear the battle was lost, he refused to give up.
  • His fellow surviving soldiers had to tackle him to the ground in order to make him stop, and three men had to drag him to cover, Carver crying the whole time. (Seriously, I can’t stress this enough, if there’s one thing this entry makes clear, it’s that this boy was traumatized.)
  • Avris Tanner, his fellow soldier, describes Carver as having “a stare like a templar, drive like a Warden, and more skill than sense.”

Bethany:

  • Bethany spent most of her childhood alone in the house, instead of playing with the other children in Lothering.
  • One time when she was outside, playing by the river with her and her brother’s friend Ebrin “Peaches” Janith, they were chased by a wild dog. The dog bit Bethany, and she made it go to sleep with magic. Even though Peaches kept her secret, Bethany stayed in the house even more after the incident.
  • Peaches brought her books to read, when coming to visit her brother. Bethany spent a lot of time reading and fantasizing about courtly life, with knights and princes. She was caught dancing with a book before.
  • Bethany always wanted to be “normal,” and you could tell this even in the way she reluctantly practiced her magic. 
  • There was a mysterious figure only identified as Sade, giving the account of this entry. He watched Bethany for most of her life under different guises on behalf of some unknown organization of apostates. Sade made sure Malcolm had everything he needed to train Bethany outside of the Circle. (I’m guessing Sade was a member of the Mages’ Collective.)
  • Sade theorized that Bethany would be “Aequitarian by choice… but would have surprised herself with leanings to the Libertarian.”
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The differences between the Hawke twins’ development throughout DA2 always kills me: if you side with the templars during the endgame, a Bethany who was sent to the Circle will, for what seems the first time in her life, refuse to aid you. Carver, however, comes to your defense regardless of whom you side with, or what became of him, even though he’s spent his whole life trying to prove himself separate from his older sibling.

Bethany learned that she is allowed to oppose you. Carver learned that he doesn’t have to.

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tbh it hurts me how much carver and bethany’s personalities change after the beginning like. while ur escaping lothering bethany is really salty and sarcastic about everything and picks a fight w carver and when you try talking to her she’s just like “uh can we get the fuck on with this shit already????” and meanwhile carver is super chill and doesn’t have too much to say and when u talk to him he’s like “do you need to rest? are you ok?? I can keep watch if u wanna take a break don’t worry about it”

and then in the main game carver is just so angry and emotional and always wants to put in his two cents, and I’ve never completed a bethany game but from what I understand she completely mellows out and is just super agreeable going along with whatever hawke says and I’m just. so sad over the hawke twins.

mtblackwood:

I kind of noticed this because in the beginning of the game, Carver - even though he has more rivalry than Bethany - seems generally calmer, only really getting agitated when Bethany looks at him and asks ‘why didn’t we run sooner?’ as though he has the answer.
He’s also very calm after Bethany’s death, defusing the situation easily by diverting his mother’s anger and therefore her attention away from his older sibling. Even throughout the rest of the prologue, he’s pretty chill - he only raises his voice when pleading with the guards for entry to Kirkwall, and he makes it a point to tell Aveline it’s his older sibling that is the reason they survived, downplaying himself. He doesn’t even sound bitter; he states it as a matter-of-fact thing.
It might be that, regardless of attitudes toward the older sibling, Carver in general was a more mellow, if still kind of sullen person. If he was at the ‘so stressed im calm’ point it could’ve been a defense for his family - in WoT Vol. II i think, it’s stated Bethany was reclusive and spent more time inside than out, mostly due to worries about her magic. Carver seems like the kind of person to put more into relationships than he expects to get out and was already expected to protect her and Hawke (if a mage), and would’ve likely tried to remain calmer to mellow her out.
Bethany, on the other hand, seems touchy and agitated. She doesn’t like being in the open, she doesn’t like being exposed, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Being out makes you vulnerable.
I haven’t played a full game with Bethany since 2011, so I can’t recall how Bethany’s attitude changes all that much - other than she’s generally agreeable - but Carver seems to be projecting, with Hawke. Maybe before in Lothering he didn’t take his responsibilities as protector for Hawke all that seriously; Hawke’s clearly older and likely did more protecting of Carver, and that’s just how that worked out. But without Bethany there, Carver’s trying to fill the gap with Hawke and he doesn’t understand why Hawke won’t let him.
It doesn’t seem to be a matter of dominance. It seems to be a matter of Carver realizing Hawke has none of the self control or reservations that Bethany had. Not that Hawke can afford to have those things, but for Carver it’s not normal, it’s frightening, and no one’s ever told him he can stop looking out for the family, that he’s allowed to take care of himself.
So maybe it’s projection. Bethany wants to be how Carver was - and what she remembers was the calm and collected brother who stood between her and the Templars. And Carver, he’s projecting Beth onto Hawke, trying to do better all the while expecting better of Hawke themselves (the conversation about Bethany’s death seems to imply that Carver’s disappointment from Hawke came because he had an idealized version of Hawke in his head and now he’s seeing Hawke’s not the strong immortal older sibling and rather than adjusting around that and simply viewing them as a regular authority figure, he’s viewing them as someone who needs to be defended. Poor kid.)
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