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Not all black people have their lives made harder by their skin color and there are plenty of white people whose lives ARE made harder by their skin color. Your skin color doesn't guarantee privilege in America. It also doesn't guarantee you a harder life! Most of the people who push this white privilege BS simply use it as an excuse to have less empathy towards white people for their skin color and not get called racist.
If anyone comes here mad that I put hate on Robin fucking DiAngelo’s batshit book, check out Franz Kafka’s The Trial.
It’s about a dude who gets put on trial (no shit) who then can’t prove his innocence, because nobody tells him what he did wrong, because the state he lives in is a mindless turd of red tape, morons, and lies. Then, when he protests his innocence against being called guilty, his protest is automatically taken to be further proof of guilt. To the surprise of no one reading this bleak-ass work, he is proclaimed fully guilty of whatever the hell it is he allegedly did, and gets executed. The end.
As everybody is so fond of saying regarding Orwell’s 1984 (without an ounce of self-awareness, by the way): The Trial is a warning, not an instruction manual.
But fuck me, I can’t even say that shit on debate-a-tumblr, let alone to a single family member or friend, because everyone has lost their fucking minds, and you are all canceling left right and center like a flock of headless fucking chickens.
Bring the cancel here, if you like. I am nobody with a fuckton of nothing left to live for, and I am also rapidly losing the ability to give a fuck. I am ready to be executed, at this point. It’d be a hell of a lot more peaceful than having to watch literal adults screaming like toddlers at each other over whether they should use linked chains, or just barbed wire, to self-flagellate at the feet of whoever we’re supposed to be outraged for this time.
Just go read a book that’s not bollocks scripture, alright?
“can’t shake the devil’s hand and say you’re only kidding” is the most concise and powerful dismissal of people who are “jokingly” racist and i can’t believe it’s from a They Might Be Giants song
I disagree with this sentiment a good way to deal with serious issues is to laugh at them. I don't get the logic here. Do you mean everything you say in jest? If I make a joke about Karens, does that mean I hate Middle aged white women?Nothing should be off limits and I find that the earlier you learn to laugh at yourself and everything around you, the better off you'll be.
I fit into several minority groups and I used to be sensitive about certain things surrounding that when I was younger. Once I started using humor to cope and inviting others to laugh with me, I started to get a thicker skin and many of those sensitive subjects became no big deal. The actual bigots and bullies who used those things against me, now have hardly anything they can use. My friends feel closer to me because they know they don't have to walk on eggshells. The conversation and by extension, your connection with others is much more open when people know you can handle a few jokes.
I don't personally find racist jokes funny, I dislike them no matter what race they're about, but I don't think everyone who jokes about people of whatever race hate those people or think less of them. There are racists that hide it in humor, but it's ridiculous to say that's true for everyone. I think there's a lot of unity in humor and we miss out on it when we say certain types are off limits.
I also find that a lot of people who say we should not be joking about certain groups of people are the same ones who shit on other "approved"groups of people mercilessly. If this is something you really believe, you should apply it to everyone. Everyone needs to be held to an equal standard if we're gonna have one.
In other words, if I see you reblogging this and agreeing with it, I better not see any white people jokes on your blog. Otherwise you're a racist, and a hypocrite on top of that.
Give this a watch, I'd love to see it start a discussion.
In Japan, you can be indefinitely detained by the police and “interrogated” til you sign a confession, and have this coercive measure hold up in court as evidence. There is a reason that Japan has something close to 100% conviction rate for crimes.
In South Korea, the military and the police both have been used, since 1945, to put down those protesting their government’s actions, mostly targeted towards leftists and those who wanted USAmerican-installed/backed regimes to be more democratic. Even as recently as 2015, the police fired water cannons with enough force to kill a pro-democracy activist.
In India, the police happily abuses the indigenous people of Kashmir. This has been an issue for forever, but the recent events in Kashmir (Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act of 2019) has magnified the brutality greatly.
In Canada, the police is brutal against the indigenous folks, as well as other people of color. Starlight Tour is just the tip of the iceberg for how the indigenous folks are treated by the police.
In Australia, the indigenous folks are treated much in the same way as Canada, with the police as a state tool for brutalizing and even displacing indigenous folks.
In Chile, during the recent riots over austerity, the police did much of the same things as the USAmerican police: meting out state violence gleefully, faking violence (such as setting their own patrol cars on fire and damaging private properties) and blaming the people for their own violence. This is just the tip of the iceberg also: the violence towards the Chilean people by the police goes very, very deep.
In Sweden, the mounted police trample protestors (much like in Houston, Texas the weekend of May 30th, 2020), not to mention the standard barbarism you see in European nations.
In France, the protests against pushing back retirement ages for a ton of people (including those whose bodies literally cannot take the work past the current age of retirement, like ballet dancers) saw the Police brutalizing the public, intensifying the already massive riots.
This isn’t even getting into the weeds with the Great Britain, Portugal, Spain, and other European countries’ police forces’ barbaric treatment towards those who come from its former imperial/colonial holdings.
Police is never your friend, anywhere in the world.
This sounds more like the government isnt your friend, not the police.
Agreed, though it can be both. The police are a branch of the state.
It doesn't matter what color you are, the government is never your friend. Their enforcers are never your friend . I think they push a lot of division (especially by race) so that we don't realize and come together.
Wait, so we had SYSTEMIC RACISM in government during Obama/Biden’s 8 years and they did NOTHING? During his first two years, Obama held super majorities in Congress and did NOTHING? They controlled Federal Judgeships and did NOTHING? Why was systemic racism NOT ended by Obama?
Or when a Minneapolis cop shot this woman as she peaceably tried to make a police report:
Maybe the problem isn’t anti-black “systemic racism” …
… maybe it’s just that Democrat controlled (for decades) Minneapolis is a violent hell hole for everybody.
Obama didn’t call any of it systemic racism and he was fine with it just like the Clinton’s who armed and expanded the policeforce and aggressive policing policy
I'm gonna get shit for this, but I don't see police brutality as a racial issue. I see it as "US police are far too militarized, have too much powerand they know they can get away with shit" issue .
I also strongly believe that mainstream and many popular media outlets like to push division and keep average joes and janes at each other's throats. I think that's why we almost never hear about white police brutality victims! It's not because police are always racist or the media only cares about black people, its textbook divide and conquer!Race isn't the only thing they use to divide us all, but it's probably the most effective. I think the government and their mouthpieces may even be trying to incite another civil war and tear everything apart!!
You don't have to believe me or agree with everything I said, but I'd be more than happy to provide souces and information. No matter what, I'd like foster productive discussion.
People who don't like someone or a group of people strictly for their skin color or ethnicity are racist trash. I don't care what color you are or what color you hate.
Privilege keeps you warm.
…..I just can we be left the heck alone, not my fault your ass didn’t learn how to get used to the climate.
King flexing on minorities 😎
not wearing a sweater is white nationalism
This is the new “Men keep offices cold in order to oppress women”
“Fucking white people and their… *shuffles through cards* …higher tolerance for cold weather.”
It’s baaaaack
ur acting like humanity doesnt work exactly like fantasy races with stat differences and unique traits
Never deal frost damage to a Whitey, idiot 🤦♂️
This is even more ridiculous when you realize that black people can definitely get sunburned!
It doesn't happen as easily, but it can and everyone regardless of skintone should take precautions when they go out in the sun!!
Lol, next we're gonna have dumbasses telling us white people can't get frostbite.
The importance of “water is wet” studies should not be understated. Because now you have a study to point to when someone who doesn’t already know this asks you for a source, as opposed to relying on anecdotal evidence or “common knowledge”.
Here is a link to the study. Use it profusely.
Interesting. I'll have to look more into this. If anyone has anything to add, feel free.
The language we use to talk about racism is obviously distorted, a big clue that something is being hidden. It’s pretty easy to pinpoint the source: most White people can’t handle talking about racism. We flail. We don’t understand the subject, we get really uncomfortable, and we either clam up because we don’t want to say the wrong thing, or we bust out the whitesplaining (FYI, this is a best-case scenario. It can be much worse).
To mitigate our shortcomings, we surround ourselves with comforting words. Words that feel neutral. Words that don’t point fingers (at us). Words that center Whiteness, while erasing the harshness of discrimination and segregation. We reject words that we feel are too direct, that might reveal complicity on our part.
Let’s be clear that these linguistic gymnastics are only fooling White people. People of color have been aware that corporate pushes for “diversity” are often flimsy CYA efforts to mask sustained homogeneity, and “inclusion” is often code for tokenism. Scholars of color have been writing about the nuances of privilege and oppression for a long, longtime while watching White people invent different ways to either wriggle out of, dominate, or shut down the conversation. These same scholars have also been watching White writers and educators whisper the same exact thing they’ve been shouting, and magically draw a crowd.
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Terms like “inclusion” and “white privilege” are designed to sneak past the racial stress triggers of White Fragility. They center Whiteness in a way that makes White people comfortable, while deflecting from the stressful realities of the racist harm that Whiteness causes. Imagine how many racial stress trigger alarm bells would go off if we were using words like “discrimination awareness” and “white undeserved advantages” instead.
And this:
White supremacy
Things we call “supreme”: The most delicious desserts. The most well-known and glamorous Motown singers. The highest court in the land. Um… God.
It has bothered me for years that linguistically, white supremacy sounds kind of great. Almost holy. It would sound more appropriately scary if it were called something actively negative, like “White domination” or “White oppressorship.” Once again, imagine the White stress level skyrocketing.
Some disambiguation is necessary with this term. “White supremacy” is a system that prioritizes whiteness regardless of the presence or absence of racial hatred, but a “white supremacist” is a person who embraces overt racial hatred. It’s like a spectrum. By default, all White people are on the spectrum of complicity in upholding a system of White supremacy, but we only give the negative label of “White supremacists” to the really hateful people at the far end. This allows the rest of us to say “we’re not them.”
This is a lot of bitter racism for one post. It's funny how much you feel the need to go on about how fragile white people are when the only one who is fragile here is you.
But no, don't work on making yourself a stronger individual, don't take responsibility for yourself and start working to put yourself in a better place, no... instead, project your personal flaws and fragility on an ENTIRE RACE of people, and keep telling yourself it's them.
Meanwhile you'll spread your racism and hatred around and the consequences will play out all around you. Your hateful fear-filled rhetoric will make, young minorities afraid of and bitter toward the white people that could have been their friends.
It will make white people afraid to interact with minorities, not because they hate them, or fear that they may be hurt, but because they are afraid that they might offend that person or immediately be perceived as secretly racist. Thus, the white person, will also miss out on great friendships and connections they could have had with people who happen to look different.
So I don't know if you think you're helping here, but you are not! Instead you are making race relations worse in the ways I just mentioned. You are simply driving the wedge between the people you claim to want to bring together and I've had about enough of this shit lately! Do you realize that you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy? You ( as in the people that are propagating this bullshit) I've seen it all firsthand. You're literally creating racism. Some of you on this site should really be ashamed of yourselves.
From the looks of things right now, will the Muslims win?
They could. Nothing is guaranteed just because we’re white. But they’re savages and to be honest, we are superior to them racially and religiously, so I’d like to think even if they gain a lot of ground, we’ll come back and crush them so severely they won’t try again for another couple thousand years.
How different are white people to other races in your opinion?
What is racism towards white people? Please I'm genuinely curious
It’s the same as racism towards any other race, when you discriminate based on their skin color. When you try to restrict them based on their race/ancestors. When you are generally cruel simply due to their skin.
That’s not racism that’s prejudice. Holding a group of people to a certain standard based on one physical trait is prejudice. Collectively endorsing the believe that a particular ethnic group are superior to others is racism. The topic of racism isn’t double ended simply because white people cant exist on the losing side of it.They’ve created it. Racism and Discrimination aren’t interchangeable because one term (racism) covers more ground than the other. Racism works on a systematic basis as in the judicial system, educational system, economy & media meanwhile discrimination is almost entirely situational. Meaning it’s after effects reach a hand full of people tops, like if a #AntiWhite Twitter trend that was started it would literally be that group of participators who entertained that discrimination yet we would all go back to work tomorrow and it would still be unprofessional to wear dreadlocks or box braids, DarkSkinned people in nice cars would still seem “suspicious” and “nigga” would still be just a term to majority of people. This is because the vast majority of people have been raised into their perspective on racism and rarely does that perspective change as you get older. You grow into your views on discrimination through experience. I pull my purse closer to my body when I see a white guy approaching me because I’ve had several experiences where that was done to me as a DarkSkinned black child. White ladies pull their purses closer to them when seeing little black kids because systematically were “super predators”. That’s the difference.
Y'all gotta be tired of explaining to white people about the system the created and live by and current shit they do on a daily basis .
They know .
i just want ONE first hand example that happened to a white in 2016 that was strictly race-related racism.
I was walking with a white friend of mine on campus, we passed a group of black women who I believe appeared to be protesting. I got called a traitor coon, for walking and talking with this white girl, and she got called a cracker, a Becky, a blue eyed devil, told she deserved to be raped, to kill herself.
The didn’t even know her name. She had never done anything to them. It was so sad.
We’re y'all crossing a picket line? This is just random?
They were just yelling on the front lawn of the building that houses the food courts. I believe they were BLM. It was lunch time and we were hungry. Yes, the even was uncalled for and rude.
So they were being loud and protesting.
That sure doesn’t sound like racism to me lmao
So calling me a traitor coon for walking with a white girl, followed by all the insults and jeers and threats thrown at her, that’s all fine and dandy?
Why would you be upset about being called a coon?
How is that an insult? You’re not black?
Racism is about competing to survive and prosper.
Prejudice and discrimination is not racism. A Black person cannot be a racist.
Racism is a power relationship between groups of people – where one group has control of so much wealth and power and resource that it can deprive, hurt and injure and exploit another group to benefit itself.
NO INDIVIDUAL CAN BE A RACIST UNLESS HE BELONGS TO THE GROUP THAT HAS ALL THE POWER AND RESOURCES.
DISCRIMINATION IS BEING BIASED.
PREJUDICE MEANS YOU HAVE A PRECONCEIVED FEELING BASED ON PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE ABOUT SOMETHING, A SITUATION OR EVENT.
Black people have never gone out of their way to exploit and injure White people. Racism started in the 16th century when they began to commercialize slavery against Black people.
Racism comes from the word race. Race means group. Someone firing you from a job is not racism – that is why you can’t prove it. Racism does not apply to individualism. Someone discriminating against you is personal and not racism, it is individualism.
Therefore, Black people can not be racist.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
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BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
BLACK PEOPLE CAN NOT BE RACIST.
and White people can not experience racism.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
WHITE PEOPLE CAN NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM.
Yelling at me in bold and capital letters doesn’t change the truth into what you want it to be. I implore you pick up a dictionary. Individuals can be racist, as racism is a type of prejudice. What you are attempting to refer to is actually called oppression. Dictionary. Please.
The caps/bold are not to tone or yell it is for emphasis. I will retype the text and remove the caps and bold…. The word RACISM has become a watered down, diluted term. The word RACISM is now meant to be synonymous with discrimination and prejudice. Racism is based on slavery. And more specific chattel slavery. Where the only group of people who suffered from it and continue to are Black people.
I’m sorry but racism is not based on slavery. Even if it were, it would still apply to all races.
The word you are looking for is oppression. Take five seconds, look up the definition of racism and the definition of oppression, side by side if you like.
@keyhollow So every oppressed group has experienced chattel slavery?
I am going to go ahead and assume you did not look up the definitions as I asked. I am trying so very hard to be patient.
No. There is no word that I am currently aware of that bases oppression completely and entirely off of slavery. Chattel or otherwise. Is it possible? Yes, I am no history major and slavery was very popular back in the day. Could every group ever oppressed have experienced it? Yes. Could they have not? Also yes.
I wonder if @noirmujeres knows what is going in in Africa?
@explainguncontrolandsafespaces Pls enlighten me
Oh, but it hasn’t been going on long?
1.25 million whites were slaves in Africa, less than blacks in 400k in America.
Did you know there are currently over 10 million slaves in the world, not by white people either?
Tell me how only whites are racist. Or is it your position timing and gps coordinates and skin color make people racist?
A system is required to have institutionalized racism. A system is made up of rules and people. Name a law or person that is racist, and I will fight along side you to change it.
Do you believe racism has nothing to do with someone’s beliefs, actions, or words? It’s only their skin color? That people are racist by default and can not be changed? If you want me to change, tell me what I did that was wrong. Tell me how I oppressed you so I can address it.
Show me exactly who or what is responsible for oppressing you and I will stand by your side. If you can not do this, and provide evidence of racism, what do you expect to be done? “The system” is not an answer. Give me details of what needs to be changed so I can help you.
It does no one any good to say “racism” without evidence of what is wrong and how to change it. Do you believe telling your black children “you can’t succeed because of a mythical system I can’t prove exists” is a good thing for them? That no matter what they do they can not succeed? That they do not have to be responsible for themselves because it’s someone else’s fault?
The trans-Atlantic slave trade was much larger than the Barbary slave trade. The embarkation of 10,147,907 Africans on the Atlantic slave trade, and estimates the total, including undocumented slaves, was over 12 million. And that doesn’t include the slaves who died before ever reaching the ships or dying during transport or being thrown overboard for insurance purposes. Slavery was practiced around the world and was based on tribal war, indebtedness, religious persecution or prisoners of war. The fourth variable of color became a factor in enslaving someone in the late 1400s. And meeting that criteria was to have Black skin therefore creating the establishment of chattel slavery inflicted on African/Black people.
“A system is required to have racism”…..WOW! That explains very much of your thinking. “Name a law or person that is racist, and I will fight along side you to change it. ” Then you should be fighting on a constant basis until the end of your lifetime. Of course you have not owned slaves or directly participated in it, however, it does not make a difference whether or not you or your family enslaved my ancestors -you enjoy the benefits of the enslavement of my ancestors and the wealth their enslavement produced(s).
Thank you for verifying 99% of slaves did not come to America.
“ “A system is required to have racism”…..WOW! That explains very much of your thinking.
You literally change my words in a quote.
“ A system is required to have institutionalized racism. “ is what I said. Explain to me what institutionalized racism is vs racism.
“Name a law or person that is racist, and I will fight along side you to change it. ” Then you should be fighting on a constant basis until the end of your lifetime.
But see, you did not name one. And you do not see the problem with that.
“ or not you or your family enslaved my ancestors -you enjoy the benefits of the enslavement of my ancestors and the wealth their enslavement produced(s). “
My family is is from Poland and Greece and immigrated legally after slavery. Explain how I am responsible?
My family never got any wealth from slave trade. They were penniless farmers. They got jobs and worked for everything they had. Much like myself. I didn’t go to school. I was on food stamps as a child.
Based on your arguments I am owed wealth. Who do I go see to get my privilege check?
So again, “Name a law or person that is racist, and I will fight along side you to change it. ”
Chattel slavery was not restricted to America. You made a statement via text. You typed those words. It is a statement. Quote. Your words. C'mon. Are you trying to say because your family migrated from Poland and Greece that White skin privilege did not extend to them too? Because they are Europeans and not Anglo Saxons from America….. Your family willingly immigrated. It was a choice. They were not forced to leave Poland or Greece. Or kidnapped. It was voluntary. How RACISM however you attempt to slice it is RACISM. Nixon aide: ‘War on Drugs’ was tool to target ‘black people’. Once you get to K-12, Black children are three times more likely to be suspended than white children. Black students make up almost 40 percent of all school expulsions, and more than two thirds of students referred to police from schools are Black, says the Department of Education. Pres Clinton passed policy that led to mass incarceration of Black people.
Racism in health care has significantly affected not only access to health care, but also the quality of health care receive. HARRIET WASHINGTON: Well, I came across some old case files in a forgotten file folder, and one was of a black gentleman, one was of a white gentleman.
The white gentleman’s file was thick and full of testaments to his loving family, his insurance support, his determination to live, and detailed really Herculean attempt on the part of medical personnel to procure a kidney for him, kidney transportation still being relatively new then.
The file of the black gentleman was very thin. The word “Negro” appeared on every page of it, and somebody had underlined it on a social profile, right above the single line that indicated that the medical staff’s plans for him were to help him to prepare for his imminent demise.
The white gentleman and the black gentleman were very similar in their profiles, but they were treated differently, and I wanted to know whether this was a consistent feature of medical care or just an anomaly. And as I began looking into it, I just became intrigued in the vast differences in the way African Americans were used in research. Right, the early years, it was quite chilling. First of all, it’s important to understand that there was a scientific animus called “scientific racism,” which at that time was simply science, and it posited that black people were very, very different from whites, medically and biologically. And this provided a rationale and an underpinning not only for the institution of slavery — slavery probably could not have persisted if there hadn’t been this medical underpinning — but also for the use of blacks in research.
For example, it said that blacks were less intelligent, sub-human, perhaps not even quite human, that they didn’t experience pain, that they were immune to diseases like malaria and heat sickness that made it impossible for whites to work in the field, but made them perfect for labor in the field. So this set of beliefs, this set of scientific beliefs, was not buttressed by any real data, but only by the needs of the community. And this actually gave permission for doctors to acquire slaves for research.
They also had a variety of conditions for which — a good example is reproductive health. All of the early important reproductive health advances were devised by perfecting experiment on black women. Why? Because white women could say no. White women were not interested in having doctors looking at their genitalia during the Victorian era, and white women were not interested in undergoing painful surgery without anesthesia, but black women could not say no.
So this animus began, as you say, in the very early days of our republic, and it simply snowballed until, by the time of the Civil War, blacks were being used, almost exclusively in some venues and in very high proportion in others, for everything, from vaccine design, experimental surgeries. And they were never consensual; you never asked their permission, and rarely were they therapeutic. They were mostly to expand medical knowledge.
HARRIET WASHINGTON: Right. James Marion Sims was a very important surgeon from Alabama, and all of his medical experimentation took place with slaves. He took the skulls of young children, young black children — only black children — and he opened their heads and moved around the bones of the skull to see what would happen, posited as a cure for disease, but there was no rationale for that. He also decided to remove the jawbone of a slave, but this slave was pretty intractable. He did not want the surgery. He loudly protested against it. And in response, Dr. Sims had him tied to a barber’s chair and held immobile, while he operated on him without anesthesia.
But he’s most infamous for his reproductive experiments with black women. He bought, or otherwise acquired, a group of black women who he housed in a laboratory, and over the period of five years and approximately 40 surgeries on one slave alone, he sought to cure a devastating complication of childbirth called vesicovaginal fistula. This cure entailed repeatedly doing incisions on their genitalia, very painful and, you know, very emotionally difficult, as you can imagine. And in the end, he claims to have cured one of them.
And after this, he went north, where his medical fortune was made. He became the toast of Second Empire Paris when he went there to be the personal physician of Princess Eugenie. And when he returned to New York, he was elected the president of the American Medical Association.
I think this is really important, because although often you speak of surgeons and doctors who do nonconsensual experimentation, and we think of these Frankensteinian characters, but the reality is these have tended to be overachieving adepts who were stellar physicians. They were well revered, well respected within their profession in their time, and people only knew of their work through their own bowdlerized versions of it. They wrote up these accounts in medical journals, but they never characterized them as abusive experimentation, because it was accepted for them that you operated on slaves who couldn’t say no.
HARRIET WASHINGTON: Right. James Marion Sims was a very important surgeon from Alabama, and all of his medical experimentation took place with slaves. He took the skulls of young children, young black children — only black children — and he opened their heads and moved around the bones of the skull to see what would happen, posited as a cure for disease, but there was no rationale for that. He also decided to remove the jawbone of a slave, but this slave was pretty intractable. He did not want the surgery. He loudly protested against it. And in response, Dr. Sims had him tied to a barber’s chair and held immobile, while he operated on him without anesthesia.
But he’s most infamous for his reproductive experiments with black women. He bought, or otherwise acquired, a group of black women who he housed in a laboratory, and over the period of five years and approximately 40 surgeries on one slave alone, he sought to cure a devastating complication of childbirth called vesicovaginal fistula. This cure entailed repeatedly doing incisions on their genitalia, very painful and, you know, very emotionally difficult, as you can imagine. And in the end, he claims to have cured one of them.
And after this, he went north, where his medical fortune was made. He became the toast of Second Empire Paris when he went there to be the personal physician of Princess Eugenie. And when he returned to New York, he was elected the president of the American Medical Association.
I think this is really important, because although often you speak of surgeons and doctors who do nonconsensual experimentation, and we think of these Frankensteinian characters, but the reality is these have tended to be overachieving adepts who were stellar physicians. They were well revered, well respected within their profession in their time, and people only knew of their work through their own bowdlerized versions of it. They wrote up these accounts in medical journals, but they never characterized them as abusive experimentation, because it was accepted for them that you operated on slaves who couldn’t say no.
AMY GOODMAN: Talk about Tuskegee, the Tuskegee experiment, though you write about how it obscures all others. A lot of people don’t even know about Tuskegee.
HARRIET WASHINGTON: That’s true. That’s true. Tuskegee is, you know, the icon of abusive experimentation of black people, but it’s true, many people still don’t know what happened, and there are a lot of misconceptions floating about, as well. So that’s a really good question, Amy.
What happened was that about 400 black men in Macon County, Alabama, with syphilis — who had been diagnosed with syphilis, at least — were studied over a period of 40 years by the United States Public Health Service. There were 200 men who were not infected who were held as a control group, also black men. Over the course of 40 years, these men were duped into thinking that they were in a treatment program. But they weren’t. They were given pain pills, which, as it transpired, were simply aspirin. They were given spinal taps, which, as it transpired, were not for the good of their health or to monitor their health, but rather to ensure a supply of sera for the development of a syphilis test. So they were used over 40 years, even after the advent of penicillin. When penicillin was recognized as a cure, it was withheld from these men. HARRIET WASHINGTON: The untreated men, as you can well imagine, many of them died horrible deaths. You know, they were not only infected with syphilis that was untreated, but these were also very poor men, sharecroppers. Their median income was a dollar a day. But being sharecroppers, they rarely saw any money. And they were debilitated beyond their years by syphilis and deprostrating labor. And so, many of them died, you know, very bad deaths from syphilis. They suffered — the secondary stage of syphilis is very painful. It constitutes running sores, you know, heart abnormalities, and the last stage of syphilis is devastating, neurologically devastating. Not everyone progresses to the last stage, you know, fortunately, but you can’t predict who will and who won’t, so everyone should be treated.
You have state laws to fight, Past & present Presidents, the medical industry. Educational system. Politicians.
The blatant denial is tiring
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If I responsible for not only slavery outside of America and in America when none of my family was here, then you are responsible for the white genocide in Africa and the on going slave trade there now, right?
Still haven't answered the 1 question i asked repeatedly. And I am denial?
“Name a law or person that is racist, and I will fight along side you to change it.”
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How can people be so stupid. Everyone experiences racism. They aren’t all the same but they still experience it
>Muh Power & Privilege
You’d think the idiots who reject the actual definition of racism so they don’t have to admit they’re a racist because “it was written by honkeys” wouldn’t be so keen on the Power & Privilege definition since it was ALSO written and spread by white people, but hey, who needs facts when you got an ego to protect and hate to spread?
“It’s not racism, it’s prejudice!”
Seperate but equal, where oh where have I heard that before?
You know? I once heard a KKK leader say they aren't racist. Does that make it true? Or does the right to change that definition only apply to '''"certain groups?'''"
