This is the argument used by critical race theorists to claim science is white supremacy, because in aggregate, white people have benefitted more from it, therefor it is aggregately racist. It's also called conflict theory and it is a pseudoscientific perspective introduced into sociology literally by Karl Marx. To justify economic parity (the elimination of private property, including the self ownership [freedom and self determination] of the human being), unequal outcomes are presupposed to be caused by class warfare (race class warfare, according to the conflict theory 'critical race theory'), by assuming unequal outcomes is what oppression is (rather than violation of the individual's personal agency, such as their self ownership and other private properties), and that unequal outcomes could only be caused by one class with power and all the agency in society. A Conflict theory was once used as a biological theory by Trofim Lysenko, and it wad used to ban the theory of evolution by natural selection, and the theory of genetics from the USSR and PRC. The people who enforce parity policies arent guided by objective analysis of whether or not an 'institution' is racist, classist, sexist, etc, (they actually state a presupposition that all insititions in society are racist, sexist, etc), and even if they were objective about what the outcomes are and based their policies accordingly, their policies actually amplofy disparity rather than reducing it, and they dont care about the personal boubdaries of the human being in their pursuits, they actually oppose personal boundaries. The self ownership of a woman? She owns her mouth, she decides what she says, but they say no, she's not allowed to speak "hate speech", which is a lie of a wird because they say she *is* allowed to say she hates republicans, liberals, apathists, moderate progressives, anyone less radical than her, black people who say things she convinces herself are 'intersectionally' racist or sexist toward 'WoC', hate trump, hate anyone who is not a tankie or alternatively anyone who is a tankie (same applies to 'TERF'), hate her parents, hate her partner if she is with a man, hate her child if it is a boy. Theyll violate her right to own property, confiscate her gun, and violate her right to defend herself and her neighbirs during a terrorist attack, such as in the UK where it is illegal to even stand or speak during a terrorist attack because theyve adopted this sort of social determination policy inspired by conflict theory.
shocking
*ahem*
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- Woman kills man for refusing to give her beer
- Woman stabs man for refusing to have sex with her, threatens to cry rape
- Woman rips off man’s testicle because he rejected her, tried to swallow it
- Woman kills man for refusing to marry her
- Woman cuts off man’s penis because of argument
- Woman shoots her husband after argument
- Woman cuts off cheating boyfriend’s penis, flushes it
- Woman suspects husband of cheating, stabs him to death
- Woman shoots, kills boyfriend for cheating
- Woman stabs boyfriend for cheating in Monopoly board game
- Woman shoots, kills man for ending relationship
- Woman sets husband’s genitals on fire for hugging another woman, dies
- Woman kills, dismembers husband’s body over argument
- Mother kills 18-month old twins to get back at husband she thought was cheating
- Woman kills husband after he confronts her about affair
- Woman kills cheating husband with lethal dose of heroin
- Woman runs over, kills cheating husband
- Obese woman sits on boyfriend, kills him and avoids jail time
- Woman kills boyfriend with stiletto shoe
- Woman murders cheating husband with coffee mug
- Woman kills boyfriend for not buying her a gift
- Woman kills boyfriend who accused her of cheating
- Woman stabs and kills boyfriend , Judge: “I hope you die in prison”
- Woman shoots, kills ex-boyfriend, buries him in pile of debris
- Woman shoots boyfriend in the back of the neck, killing him
- Woman shoots boyfriend six times, kills him after argument
- Woman stabs, kills boyfriend over mother’s day gift
- Woman stabs boyfriend to death, also stabbed her husband to death 7 years prior
- Woman pushes way into home, stabs boyfriend to death over argument
- Woman angry at boyfriend takes her anger out on his 4 year-old
- Woman stabs boyfriend to death, thought he was cheating on her
- Woman bludgeons husband to death with hammer to pay back loan
- Woman stabs, kills boyfriend during argument
- Woman murders boyfriend for tweeting out his female crush
- Woman shoots and kills boyfriend, kills self while out on bail
- Woman stabs to death boyfriend over argument about an ex
- Woman stabs and kills boyfriend for social media posts
- Woman shoots boyfriend in the face, fails to make it look like suicide
- Woman kills boyfriend’s puppies during phone argument
- Woman shoots boyfriend in the face with rifle during argument
- Woman pushes boyfriend off fence after argument, killing him
- Woman attacks boyfriend with large knife, intent to kill
- Woman abused, threatens to kill boyfriend in sleep
- Woman beats, murders boyfriend and puts him in freezer because he wanted to break up with her
- Woman held gun to boyfriend’s head, murders on Christmas
- Woman with previous assault charge on another boyfriend stabs and kills different boyfriend
- Woman attempts to murder boyfriend with giant breasts
- Woman stabs boyfriend in neck, killing him after argument
- Woman chokes and stabs ex-boyfriends cat to death
- Woman starts argument with boyfriend, stabs and kills with umbrella
- Woman kills boyfriend with her car after argument
- Woman shoots, kills boyfriend in his bathroom
- Woman shoots, kills boyfriend with illegal handgun
- Woman sets her boyfriend on fire, killing him
- Woman shoots and kills ex-boyfriend multiple times, kills herself
- Woman shoots boyfriend in the head, found out he was dating other women
- Woman stabs and kills boyfriend over finances
- Woman stabs and kills boyfriend’s lizard because she thought he was flirting with other women
- Woman shoots, kills boyfriend who wanted to end their relationship and urged her to get an abortion
- Woman attempts to murder husband with poison in her vagina
- Woman stabs boyfriend to death after he slaps daughter
- Woman conspires to have secret lover murder her husband
- Woman stabs, kills boyfriend over argument on Labor Day
- Woman stabs boyfriend in the chest over argument
- Woman stabs boyfriend to death after finding photos of other women on cell phone
- Woman tortured ex-boyfriend’s dog until it died after argument
- Woman stabs boyfriend in his chest and through his lung, nearly killing him
- Woman fatally stabs boyfriend during heated argument
- Woman kills her boyfriend with blunt force trauma to the head using frying pan
- Woman stabs boyfriend to death for drinking her beer
- Woman strangles boyfriend to death during argument
- Woman stabs boyfriend with serrated knife over argument
- Woman shoots, murders boyfriend while she was on house arrest for another murder 11 years prior
- Woman stabs, kills boyfriend then texts friend about eating the body
- Woman stabs, kills boyfriend over dispute
- Woman shoots boyfriend in the head, suspecting he was cheating
- Woman shoots man in the groin after argument
- Woman fires handgun into the home of man who denied her a kiss
- Woman stabs husband to death over cheating fears
- Woman shoots, kills ex-boyfriend and his new girlfriend
- Women kills husband, commits suicide
- Woman shoots and kills man over argument
- Woman kills husband with baseball bat for talking back to her
- Woman kills husband, confesses to family then shoots herself
- Woman stabs boyfriend 31 times after he said ex’s name in his sleep
- Woman shoots husband in the head, shoots herself
- Woman kills boyfriend over argument at house party
- Woman shoots boyfriend with shotgun for texting another woman
- Woman kills boyfriend because she “smelled sex on him”
- Woman runs over boyfriend, kills him
- Woman stabs boyfriend in the eye for turning down threesome
- Woman stabs ex-boyfriend for refusing to stop playing the Eagles
- Woman stabs boyfriend, throws out his prosthetic legs so he can’t chase her
- Woman ties up, stabs husband 193 times, jury finds her guilty for suspicion of trying to claim life insurance
- Woman stabs fiance for refusing to take her to the liquor store
- Woman assaults and threatens boyfriend with knife for not cuddling
- Woman stabs man with ceramic squirrel for not bring home beer
- Woman stabs taxi driver after he refuses to have sex with her
- Woman stabs ex-boyfriend in his penis after discovering he had a new girlfriend
- Woman stabs boyfriend twice over time he spent in bathroom
- Woman stabs boyfriend over Facebook post
- Woman stabs her boyfriend several times because his dog ate her marijuana stash
- Woman stabs boyfriend for not calling her every two hours
- Woman shoots man five times for rejecting her, kills herself
- Woman murders ex-boyfriend with liquor laced with poison, was jealous he was engaged to new woman
Andrew Bagby was murdered by Shirley Jane Turner on November 6th, 2001 (She later murdered their 1 year-old son on August 18th, 2003)
What’s most interesting though is that mainstream media doesn’t even mention female shooters when they claim to show the history of the crime — but I guess they’re going by high scores. While its true that most shooting sprees are committed by males, it is also truethat most child abuse, neglect, and murders are committed by females.
Women who killed or attempted to kill children in the news, past 30 days (US):
- Florida woman shoots, kills her 2 teenage sons
- Mother throws 1 year-old daughter under truck, kills her
- California mom stabs her 3 daughters to death. all under 2 years old
- Mother attempts to kill her 3 teenage children
- Mother kills her infant son by stabbing him to death
- Woman kills 2 year-old girl, attempts to kill 10 year-old boy
- Utah mom murders 6 newborns, keeps them in garage
- Mother charged with trying to suffocate daughter
- Woman charged for killing 8-month old baby
Women who killed or attempted to kill children in the news between January and April 2014 (US):
- Mother drowns both of her sons aged 3 and 6
- Mother attempts to drown her 3 children in ocean
- Utah mother shoots and kills two teen daughters, then herself
- Mother suffocates 14 month old son, fails at attempted suicide
- Woman babysitter murders 19 month old boy
- Mom kills 7 month old daughter, blames Jesus
- Woman operating illegal daycare responsible for 3 month old girl’s death, police find 14 children in her basement
- Mom strangles 3 day old baby boy, discarded body in trashcan
- Woman suffocates 2 year old girl of fiance, fakes sexual assault by unknown assailant to cover tracks
- Mother charged with killing 2 year-old daughter
- Mother of several children with history of violence murdered and buried 2 year-old daughter in shallow grave
- Mother stabs and kills her 2 children in exorcism
- Mother kills her teen son and daughter, self
- Mother confesses to killing 10 year-old son
- Mother tortures and kills 3 year-old son, burned genitals with lighter
This is only mid-year and I didn’t even include the reports of mothers killing their children from previous years or other countries.“
The only thing “shocking” here is how far you’ve managed to cram your head up your own ass.
oh shit
seems like women can just be as evil as men when it comes to being monsters :/
@lastsonlost more sources for you!
Wasn’t Bobitt a rapist? Or was he innocent?
Not sure
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the evil you're capable of has nothing to do with what's between your legs?
I just can’t help but think that this is what people that believe they actually need to get consent to take care of their children would say when facing charges of neglect. -Bob
Feminists don’t hate men. Misandrists do. Know the difference, people.
“Misandry isn’t real” - majority of self proclaimed feminists, particularly most popular feminist publication sources in the US.
Okay, you know what? Sorry this got so long, but I’m so tired of feminists going after people who criticize their movement, but refuse to address the very serious issues within the movement itself. I’m so tired of feminists pretending that they “just don’t understand” why people don’t want to align with feminism and that somehow, not being a feminist makes you anti-woman.
It doesn’t.
The issue I have with modern western feminism is that it banks on the notion that women in the west are oppressed. And we’re not. Many leaders of feminist organizations are extremely anti-male. These people are the public faces and the voices of your movement. These are the people who are representing you as a member of said movement.
Instead of focusing on the occasional issue of injustice in the west, or speaking out more often about the actual oppression women face in other parts of the world, they’re trying to kick male students out when they give speeches at universities, ignoring them when they have a question, pushing to have male students attend courses that “teach them not to rape,” howl and screech about how male rape and abuse shelters “undermine” female victims, and do everything in their power to make sure those shelters never get a chance to open, or at least don’t receive government funding.
They bitch and moan that a man giving his opinion is “speaking over” them when literally no one is stopping them from voicing their opinions, too. Then, they turn around and scream at random men during “protests” who are minding their own business, sometimes with a bullhorn less than a foot from their faces. They advocate for male genocide and blame them when they’re the victims of violence, especially domestic.
They call straight and bi women “handmaidens” and “dickworshippers”. Accuse women of “sleeping with the enemy” when they’re in a relationship with a man. They accuse women who enjoy feminine things like wearing makeup of “supporting the patriarchy” and claim they don’t care about the “liberation of their sisters”. They shame women who make choices they don’t agree with. They shame women who choose to shave their body hair.
When reasonable feminists like Christina Hoff Summers speak out against this behavior, they are attacked in large numbers by people who called themselves feminists.
You say they’re not “real feminists”, you blame those who have legitimate reasons for distancing themselves from the movement when you should be taking a long hard look at the movement you’re supporting and asking yourself why so many people are turning away from it. There’s a reason. A damned good reason.
If you’re really a feminist, then you know what your leaders are doing. There’s no way you can’t know so quit playing dumb. No one is falling for it anymore.
The thing that frustrates me aside from everything already addressed is that there is plenty of actual misogyny to focus on. You just can't call it out because feminists have softened the word to the point where when you use it, no one takes you seriously. It's a shame because there are still injustices against women, there are still a lot of situations in the western world where abuse and domestic violence against women are not taken very seriously. The thing is, now the average person is taking it less seriously as well because of how feminism and some women treat that issue. Look at how the mainstream media treats the issue. I can say something similar about misogyny in the workplace and quite a few other issues. Your movement on the whole (#notall) has taken these issues, taken advantage of them, and treated them with such disrespect that the average person doesn't respect them anymore either.
So you not only ruined our ability to talk about these issues when they come up, you've also created more misogynistic asshats and given them more justification for being that way. I can't be the only one who has seen people getting more misogynistic and misogyny going mainstream, can I? I've seen a lot of people with views on women that would have gotten healthy criticism at one point, but now they pretty much go unchallenged that are even widely agreed with in some cases. That's going to inevitably create more actual issues, (workplace discrimination, etc) and victims whose complaints will fall on deaf ears because of the screeching harpies that are mainstream feminists. So thank you, majority of feminists that I've seen, for sending the message to the world that Western women have no real problems. I know the women in my family really appreciate it.
I think you should join the feminist wave. We’re the reason you have rights bitch.
No thanks, I’d rather not join a movement that pretends to care about women’s autonomy only to call them bitches when they disagree on certain issues.
And they can't even come off Anonymous to do it.
My girlfriend has been getting into all these feminist politics and it's getting on my god damn nerves. I'm really scared we are going to get pregnant and she will abort my child since she's so obsessed with the government funding abortions. I haven't broke up with her yet but I've cheated on her for about a month now. It's so carthritic.
You are absolute trash. She should dump you instantly. She may have some politics you or I don’t agree with but youre no better, even worse honestly, why the fuck would you want her to be pregnant anyway when you’re cheating on her? I pray you’re a troll.
HOO this anon is one messy boi. Imagine thinking “I cheated on my girl because she’s a feminist” would be sympathetic LMAO.
Anon is a garbage human and I hope he never has kids.
Methinks that there is more than one problem here… oh wait, it’s you Anon. Instead of talking to your girlfriend and trying to get down to the root of her misguided political opinions you cheat on her. That’s awful and grounds for her breaking up with you if she hasn’t.
Cheating because she doesn’t like what you like is fucked anon. Don’t be that much of a douche.
Why not just break with her if ya dislike her opinions so damn much? Nah son, ya gotta make it worse. Unfuck yourself boy
I don’t think Anon is garbage, but do think he needs to move on.
Actually, all cheaters are garbage with no exceptions.
If she found out he cheated because she’s a feminist that’s just going to cement her further in her views also why are they having unprotected sex?
Exactly! They obviously shouldn't be together. I understand that feminists can be annoying, I've had them in my everyday life as well. I can even understand if you feel that the change in political views is starting to pull you guys apart. That's a tough situation, but how you react to that situation is on you and cheating because you don't like your partner's beliefs is a complete dick move. You should be ashamed and I really do hope you don't have kids. She has the right to abort that baby if she has it with you, you cheating asshole! And this is coming from somebody who is kind of on the fence about abortion.
Tumblr: *see’s a perfectly normal post about a perfectly normal thing*
Tumblr: what kind of mental gymnastics can i use to make this about shitting on straight people/white people/men.
Is someone assuming their gender?
…so all men in stem is a problem but all women in stem is a goal.
I smell fuckery
i see their point, rocket science is definitely a field we want to put diversity quotas in & hire people based on things other than merit.
i mean, its not like itd be a big deal if someone did a bad job.
Maybe the guys and girls are in different pictures because the guys needed their own area so the girls didn’t accuse them of sexual misconduct.
I just love how feminism is causing people to make more generalizations about women. I mean, what was the point of it again? Damned if I know.
This is fucking sad.
The sad part is its a vocal few ruining shit for the whole, over and over…
Mike Pence’s rule of never being alone with women will become much more normal.
All the people that mocked him are eating their words now too I imagine
As men have no defense and will be accused for the slightest misconduct im not shocked that they give up, honestly in some cases I will generally avoid situations as you never know when a feminist is waiting to make up some kind of harassment.
This is WHY we can’t just BELIEVE women whenever they say shit. Both sides have to be investigated accordingly. It isn’t hard to ask the dude where he was the night of the “crime” and go there and see if there is tape. or any evidence, PROVING him innocent. Which is the case in America’s court of law.
Men are not Guilty until proven innocent.
Men are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.
This is why we can't immediately believe anyone! Not just women. This is such bullshit, man. This is exactly what I constantly go on about when I say that feminists are making sexism way more of a problem than it otherwise would have been! I swear dude, these people are completely ruining any chance we have it progress toward real equality and not just everyone being afraid of each other. Holy shit! The thing that bothers me the most though is now we are moving backwards in those ways as well as in the way we View a woman who is raped or molested or something. I've seen the way that people talk about women who come forward about these things now, we are not moving in a good direction! Thanks for fucking the world up, feminism! Thank you for making the reactionary movements bigger. I'm just so pissed off. This kind of shit is little personal to me.
Stop complaining about people who are for equality but do not call themselves feminists and start complaining about people who call themselves feminists and don’t support equality.
Amy Schumer is an insult to female comedians. I wonder if she's why some people think women aren't funny.
I love how when you call an actual misogynist out for making awful generalizations about women their first response is “oh, so generalizations about men are fine?” Despite the fact that I never said that, thanks to modern feminism softening the word misogyny to the point where it has no meaning anymore, people can actually get away with being blatantly misogynistic because they can just accuse you of being a feminist. Thanks a lot modern feminism, not only have you created more misandry, but you’ve created a hell of a lot more misogyny that can’t even be called out anymore. Great job!
This is why careful activism is so important. A cause’s image matters because, when that image is bad, even just advocating for it at all can be quickly dismissed.
@effective-activism , what do you think the solution may be?
Fat people are not oppressed by society because they live in a culture where being fat is the ultimate expression of their privilege.
That's not necessarily true, usually if you're fat you probably eat a lot of processed foods and things and a lot of poor people eat a lot of processed foods because it's cheaper or that's what's at the food bank.
Other than that, I agree. Fat people are definitely not oppressed by Society. I would argue that they are catered to in a lot of ways. A lot of ways they really don't need to be.
Reminder:
Being a trauma survivor does NOT give you an excuse to be an asshole to others!!
I hate the patriarchy So much ruining my opportunity to become successful. Its not like I get a scholarship just for being a women. Or if anything goes wrong in my life I can just say it was not my fault it is always a mans fault Because patriarchy am I right?
I don't mean to argue here, but there are scholarships out there just for men too. Not just Sports ones either, not to mention the fact that the vast majority of women and people in general are against feminism. And the anti sjw side ( which I am technically part of due to my extreme dislike of social justice) really only cares about men's problems (not all) and many of them (not all) act like women and minorities are privileged. Sometimes to the point of ignoring the fact the they have any problems at all. So really, blaming the patriarchy for your problems would not go over very well with the vast majority of people. There are plenty of men's groups that do the same thing as well anyway. They tend to get more sympathy from our side of the coin. Just like women that do so would from the really extreme left. So what I'm trying to say here is that this would not be well received if you tried it and there is a victim narrative out there for everyone and every group has people that use it. Oppression points are a valuable currency.
Islam is as much a religion of peace as the KKK was a Black Pride Organization.
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You can’t just blame Islam, though. The same thing applies to Christianity and most other religions.
I’m not just blaming them. I have already bashed Christianity to its hell and back, so I thought I would turn my attention to Islam for a change.
You can’t just blame MUSLIMS, but you sure as hell can blame Islam. Similarly you can’t just blame Christians. But you better believe you can blame Christianity. People are seperate from ideologies and doctrines.
I didn’t blame Muslims, did you see me say “It’s those darned Muslims fault!”? No.
Full offense here. Why should I respect Islam? It disgusts me and should disgust any decent person that happens upon this thread. Don’t believe me?
Let’s first look at the Islamic Holy Texts on… Women: Starting with the Quran:
Quran (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.
Quran (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women.“ Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man’s testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman’s, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they make more reliable witnesses.
Quran (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]”
Quran (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands, if there is no water to purify them, following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Quran (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).
Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…“ A man has dominion over his wives’ bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse. If this is what Muhammad meant, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Quran (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.
Quran (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.
Quran (4:24) and Quran (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).
But what about the hadith and Sira?
Hadith and Sira:
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - ”[Muhammad] said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’ They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.’“
Sahih Bukhari (6:301) - continued - ”[Muhammad said] 'Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.’“ Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Sahih Bukhari (2:28) & Sahih Bukhari (54:464) - Women comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven mentioned explicitly by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Sahih Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: ”'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women’s) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).’“In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs
Sahih Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates” her on the spot to another man
Sahih Bukari (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses’“ These are the words of Muhammad’s favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
Oh yeah, and In case you forgot... Muhammed was a pedophile and married his first wife (A’isha) when she was 6. But at least she was his favorite!
Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil” in them.
Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.’“ Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad’s presence without a word of rebuke from him. "evil” in them.
You can find even more if you read the rest of this.
You know it only gets worse from here, right guys? We covered gender, so how about we cover race now.
There’s not much that I’ve seen in these texts about race, but there’s a lot of racial issues in Islamic Countries
Ok, you say, well surely they’re more progressive when it comes to the LGBT community, right?
Well, what exactly do the Islamic holy texts say about sexuality?
Let’s start with the good ole Quran again! Shall we?
Quran (7:80-84)
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"...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)"
- An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (Inexplicably, the story is also repeated in three other suras:
15:74
27:58
and
29:40
).
Quran (7:81) - "Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?" This verse is part of the previous text and it establishes that homosexuality as different from (and much worse than) adultery or other sexual sin. According to the Arabic grammar, homosexuality is called the worst sin, while references elsewhere describe other forms of non-marital sex as being "among great sins."
Quran (26:165-166) - "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"
Quran (4:16) - "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone" This is the Yusuf Ali translation. The original Arabic does not use the word "men" and simply says "two from among you." Yusuf Ali may have added the word "men" because the verse seems to refer to a different set than referred to in the prior verse (explicitly denoted as "your women"). In other words, since 4:15 refers to "your women", 4:16 is presumably written to and refers to men.
Hadith and Sira
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The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done
." (This is a sahih hadith)
Abu Dawud (4448)
- "
If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death."
(Note the implicit approval of sodomizing one's wife).
Sahih Bukhari (72:774)
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"The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, 'Turn them out of your houses .' The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman."
al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said]
"Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver."
Reliance of the Traveller, p17.2 -
"May Allah curse him who does what Lot's people did."
This is also repeated in three other places.
There are several lesser hadith stating, "if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers," "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both Adulteresses," "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes," and "Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (Abu Dawud 4462 and al-Tirmidhi 1456)
So no, @ yasminezeunicorn I do not, nor will I ever respect Islam! There is nothing about it that should be respected. It spits in the face of our values and human decency constantly!! Why should I, or @thehappyatheist have to respect that?
@concernedcitizenoftheearth and @thepoliteatheist one can call out an extremely toxic ideology without hating everyone that practices it, can they not? I don’t blame Muslims, until said Muslims decide to blow me up for not being a part of their religion among the other sins of Islam I commit on the regular.w. And yes, I know not all of them do that.
I’ll leave the second source here.
Also, I didn’t even cover pedophilia or rape here, but guess what? They’re both fine and dandy in the religion of peace!
So’s terrorism! How Progressive!
How are you "forced" to wear makeup/shave.
because if you don’t conform to beauty expectations nobody takes you seriously. it’s much harder for most women to get a job or to even get basic respect from people without wearing makeup and looking otherwise “presentable”. not having a job obviously leads to poverty and death so women just conform instead. it can’t be called a fair choice when one option gets you the short end of the stick. there shouldn’t be dire consequences like this for women making harmless choices.
Idk where the fuck you live, but where I am, nobody gives a shit whether or not a lady looks feminine. If a female does not conform to the beauty standards, or if she is kinda masculine, she will just be seen as a tomboy or somebody who doesn’t care about gender normes. I never wear makeup, and I haven’t shaved for months (mostly because of winter lol), I even wore a fucking suit to prom, and I was the only girl at my school who did. Yeah, people might talk shit about because of that, but frankly, I don’t care. If the worst consequences I have to face for not being feminine is that a few shitheads talk badly about me, then I don’t see the problem. Also, I have seen multiple women in many different proffessions who doesn’t conform to feminine standards. I’ve seen overweight, or even obese women with a job, I’ve seen women who don’t wear makeup that has a job, I’ve seen women who wears makeup but looks bad with it who has a job.
Maybe all you said happens someplaces, but definately not everywhere.
good for you. obviously you’re quite young if you just went to prom. when you’re still a teenager the consequences aren’t as apparent as when you’re a adult living outside of school. all of this discourse has literally been random people responding to my shit being like “that doesnt happen!!! feminism is fake!!” like YES, i guess women across the globe are just lying for attention. you caught me!!!! /s
@cheshireinthemiddle @alaija care to add. I did the last one.
> it’s much harder for most women to get a job or to even get basic respect from people without wearing makeup and looking otherwise “presentable”.
I bolded the part where the goalposts hopped into an Uber.
Also, I like how you think men generally don’t have to look decent to get a job or respect.
> not having a job obviously leads to poverty and death so women just conform instead.
Look at all those destitute housewives and househusbands and children and elderly.
Also, savings don’t exist.
> obviously you’re quite young if you just went to prom. when you’re still a teenager the consequences aren’t as apparent as when you’re a adult living outside of school.
That sure looks like a handwave. I like the part where you ignore all the exceptions 240 pointed out.
Also, you don’t know how long ago the prom happened. 240 could be a college graduate, unless you think gender roles about appearance changed drastically in the past four or five years.
> all of this discourse has literally been random people responding to my shit being like “that doesnt happen!!! feminism is fake!!” like YES, i guess women across the globe are just lying for attention. you caught me!!!! /s
So saying that someone is wrong is the same as saying they’re lying. Which is why you only patronized 440 for being inexperienced instead of calling her a liar.
Gee, it’s almost as if you’re making up standards based on convenience.
Wow! People prefer to look at Attractive people? Never would have guessed! Did you ever think that maybe some women wear makeup and shave because they like to look presentable and have some basic respect for themselves and their bodies? Or is it all because they want male attention in your eyes? Seriously, how low is your view of women if all you can possibly believe when one wants to look presentable is that they’re doing it for the benefit of other people and not for themselves? Do you see what I mean when I say that feminism has no respect for women? If not, you do now. @sini-sterility, @iicraft505 you guys are going to enjoy this one. @the-jingler, you might too, if not then you’ll just see why I fucking hate feminism. It’s just so insulting.