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i do love the color of the sky

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really I value the question "why are we doing this at all" very much. approximately nothing should "just be done" w/o questions, and often asking this will reveal disconnects in background knowledge, lack of sufficient agreement about the specifics of the goal, etc. even when it might not change the conclusion on if a thing should be done

also sometimes inaction is the right choice. "do it scared" is bad advice when the fear is due to real danger or also when a thing is done out of chasing a sense of heroism above real necessity; but also, "do it badly" is bad advice when quality actually matters; "do it alone" or "do it bored" are bad advice e.g. when there actually is no real need anymore or, perhaps, never was in the first place

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How would you react if you found out a friend was maintaining a private wiki that had a detailed article on you (and all their other acquaintances)?

They'd filled out Early Life, Career, and Personal Life sections. They've listed friends and family you've mentioned but they've never met, little red links indicating that article doesn't exist yet.

They didn't do any deep investigation outside what you've told them in conversation, but they have documented it all, for their own private reference.

I'd be flattered that I counted as someone they wanted to remember details about.

I've relatively recently stated doing this sort of thing myself, incidentally, keeping written track of personal details about people I know, although I do this in my general note-taking app rather than a wiki. It's more "Person X talked about thing in their life Y at the party on date Z" than a detailed article in my case.

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twxttxr's ahead of you people on the curve already

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it's a harmless naive one, but the dumbest Near East conflict opinion I've heard is still the perennial one my mother states, for decades now, about every time there's something going on there (or occasionally in various other similar places): "it's such a lovely place, warm and sunny and fruitful, you can grow all sorts of wonderful things there [unlike here in the frozen north], why would they even fight there? why don't the guys who do want to fight go to the desert to duke it out and leave the rest of the people out of it?"

yes mom they're fighting because someone has driven someone else out from their lovely garden, that's kinda the basic issue behind the conflict, about no one enjoys the fighting per se. you would not want to fight to death if someone stole a plot of land from you because the land around here is after all cold and unproductive and desolate in comparison, and also there's millions km² more of it to go around, lots of it public and/or with rich everyman's rights. but the temperate-to-subtropical zone of the world has been densely populated for millennia, and there is not any abundance of unsettled or even publicly held land that could be turned into a lovely garden just by minor effort on a whim

and I was going to add a parag also on how I kinda resent her for being this dumb, but that's not quite right is it? I've gotten along with some people with an IQ probably in or closer to double digits in my life, what really drives me up the wall is more her clinging to stupid things like this, how she does not listen to or want to learn from other people — many things like this that are stated as questions seem entirely rhetorical, maybe really meaning "ha ha aren't I a good person for not wanting to fight a war" or something (hard to tell exactly), but in any case not open to correction or direct answers at all. there's more stuff yet in her repertoire that has a similar form but is indeed supposed to end a discussion, no talking back, even if it appears to be a question at first (good luck if you're a kid who likes solving problems and answering questions).

and then she's in principle decently well read and did her career as a physics teacher, maybe she could have smart rather than dumb views to contribute about many things if she really wanted to. but as it is, it's mostly useless to try to have a discussion with her that's not either practicalities or pleasantries

still, we can take a non-essentialist view of "dumbness" too, where someone like her "is dumb" per what she actually ends up saying, regardless of any specific thought process behind it. there is the concept of "learned stupidity" already, this seems like a cousin of it

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it's a harmless naive one, but the dumbest Near East conflict opinion I've heard is still the perennial one my mother states, for decades now, about every time there's something going on there (or occasionally in various other similar places): "it's such a lovely place, warm and sunny and fruitful, you can grow all sorts of wonderful things there [unlike here in the frozen north], why would they even fight there? why don't the guys who do want to fight go to the desert to duke it out and leave the rest of the people out of it?"

yes mom they're fighting because someone has driven someone else out from their lovely garden, that's kinda the basic issue behind the conflict, about no one enjoys the fighting per se. you would not want to fight to death if someone stole a plot of land from you because the land around here is after all cold and unproductive and desolate in comparison, and also there's millions km² more of it to go around, lots of it public and/or with rich everyman's rights. but the temperate-to-subtropical zone of the world has been densely populated for millennia, and there is not any abundance of unsettled or even publicly held land that could be turned into a lovely garden just by minor effort on a whim

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I'd posit that most other "Whiggish" people are similar to me: the rejection of tradition is not about the traditions themselves, it's about the rejection of the people who would preserve them over all else. It's useless to negotiate with people who are willing to make sacrifices in the rate of industrialization and internationalization and modernization in the name of tradition. If being more sensitive to the preservation of cultural traditions means that the infant mortality rate takes ten more years to reach acceptable levels, then the people who advocate for cultural traditions must be sidelined and ridiculed, because they want to have infant blood on their hands. No amount of lost linguistic data or culturally significant oral tradition is worth a million dead babies. Industrialization is positive, tradition is at best neutral, but anyone who confuses those priorities and demands they are negotiable is a negative.

Not happy about swallowing the pill necessarily for a variety of reasons, but I cant argue with the logic

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of course, for one, there's been quite a lot of modernization that doesn't decrease childhood mortality across the board, as much as … drives to extinction 10,000 natives who used to have high childhood mortality, and substitutes 100,000 new industrial society people who have low childhood mortality (settlers? legitimate immigrants? descendants of 10,000 other natives? doesn't matter)

but besides that, I have yet to shake the nagging feeling that solution #1 to the Repugnant Conclusion applies here too — that it is in fact, a mistake to care about childhood mortality in some far-away locale. if liberal modernity is as supreme as it claims, then people will, in fact, adopt it themselves, without the rest of us needing to go out and repress organic traditionalism to prevent people from making "wrong" choices. that's certainly how it seems to shake out around us

and then there's some sense of flippancy also in reducing traditions to window dressing, "linguistic data or culturally significant oral tradition" — traditions also include entire survival kits that feed a million babies, whose loss could well mean quite a lot of suffering if liberal modernity for whatever reason doesn't shake out

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Your sense of self isn’t a static image, bro. It’s more like a climate or a biome. Both of which can shift in gradual ways over time or suddenly due to internal or external factors. Just check the weather report, man. Don’t try to force the sky to stay blue without clouds 24/7.

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"that would be morally fine in a perfect society, but we obviously are not in one, and indeed the existence of that issue in the first place proves that we aren't" ↑ sorely needs a way to be expressed in shorthand, because otherwise it's almost always giving rope to hang you with to people who are bad at reading comprehension, or generally at hypotheticals

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a dynamic that I respect-but-resent ever more as time goes by: many people who have a strong visceral understanding that you cannot simple get what you want by strenuously demanding it, tend to be people who have wildly unpopular fringe demands

(and then this does not even necessarily correlate in the other direction)

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increasingly convinced that at least 30% of people calling this or that abstract mostly harmless thing "white supremacy" are actually just anti-civ without fully realizing this, and if they bothered to research the issue, they would just as well discover that also e.g. China or Japan "are white supremacist"

and on further thinking there would be a lot of mileage to be gotten out of a distinct concept of "civilization supremacism" — e.g. recently I saw something about how many medieval towns with only some 5k inhabitants were able to build cathedrals; this did not make me marvel at "their" dedication to beautiful architecture; it makes me think they must have been pretty strongly under the thumb of the church who evidently had, eh, "diverted" a rather large amount of resources from such a small pool of citizens

similarly: there's a reason why laypeople are keen to assume the pyramids must've been built by slaves: they self-evidently required an absurd amount of work in any case, & must've contributed nothing to common Egyptians' life. there's clearly a top of an iceberg here even if its lower portions have not been mapped

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pretty sure I'm second-mutuals with this guy on twitter

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