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A TNBC Fan

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This is where I post my thoughts and headcanons about The Nightmare Before Christmas. I am also an admin of The Nightmare Before Christmas Wikia!
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Anonymous asked:

Non-canon anon here again!

I totally agree with you that if LLTPQ were canon, then every other spin-off game and book would be canon. I think the best thing about having all of these different media about TNBC is that you can pick and choose which ones you like and want to be canon.

And yeah, Tim's word means nothing lol! I remember when he had said there's no such thing as magic in Halloween Town, which is ridiculous. Honestly, if it isn't said by Henry Selick or Danny Elfman, it isn't canon in my eyes.

Also, Fink is my favourite character for many reasons, and someone on Youtube tried to convince me to stop sympathising with him because of what he did in LLTPQ. LLTPQ is about as canon as Kingdom Hearts.

Exactly! The TNBC universe feels like a 'pick-your-own' canon thing regarding the prequels and sequels. I think that's what makes it a lot of fun! And people can consider *everything* canon if they want to, and not have to justify anything. I just think some people should cool it a bit if someone doesn't know about a comic/book whatever, or if they disagree with it. This is all for fun!

AHAHA I *DO* REMEMBER THAT! If magic doesn't exist then what the hell was Santa Claus pinching his nose and yeeting himself out of Oogie's lair with? That's NOT Christmas magic? I cannot grasp people holding Tim Burton as the 'word of God' when it comes to TNBC because...so much of it was written by Henry, Danny, and Caroline...and there are even a couple things said by THEM that I cannot get 100% behind. So honestly. Do what you want at this point, lol.

Also, that person is ridiculous. I know Finkelstein is someone people either loathe or love, and Long Live the Pumpkin Queen did a LOOOT of irreparable damage to his character, all because the author didn't "like Sally belonging to him". Yeah, he's definitely done some bad things and caused an awful situation for her, but that doesn't mean he's past redemption or not worth being looked into beyond "oh he kidnapped her so he's evil!" I think he deserved sooo much more than what he was chalked up to in the story.

And for people to treat that as canon? Sure, whatever, just don't take that out on his fans or use it against them. Because Shea Ernshaw isn't Tim Burton or any of the people who *actually* wrote his character. I imagine fans of his know the kind of flawed character he is -- they certainly don't need people telling them to stop liking or sympathizing with him.

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Anonymous asked:

It bothers me how so many people think LLTPQ is canon, when Shea says it's an alternate story. But if that's true, wouldn't she had made an alternate book-version of the movie as well? We should'nt have had to learn it's its own universe from a Q&A. That information should have been a lot more clear.

Hmmm, it's always been in my mind that fans can disregard anything that isn't in the movie as "canon" - since these are all spin-offs and alternate universes/stories made by fans, which happen to be licensed products from Disney, and in LLTPQ's case, also had the approval from Tim Burton and his team. But I get where you're coming from, anon, I've seen people get insistent that things like LLTPQ and The Battle for Pumpkin King are "canon", and are the official stories for these characters.

But...they're not, reeeallly, unless you want them to be? If we're to consider EVERY tnbc book/game/comic canon, then The Pumpkin King Game directly contradicts Jack & Oogie's backstory in the prequel comic. And I am a firm believer that LLTPQ simply isn't correct in having Dr. Finkelstein be the kidnapper of Sally rather than her creator. I see it as an Alternate story, like Shea considers it to be, and I would feel like that's obvious just on that Ragdoll Parent twist alone, but it's unfortunate that you only really learn about that in a Q&A, and how Shea made a big decision with the tnbc characters that's pretty much based on her personal bias.

Maybe they'll be more open about it with these next two books.

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Anonymous asked:

Do you believe Jack or Sally age at all?? (Since in lltpq Sally is a born rag doll and aged in that sense) perhaps she’ll always stay the same age as an adult but I’m not sure about Jack either.

I've had this convo a loooong time ago regarding how old Jack Skellington and the Halloween Town Residents are, even how old Sally is, too (in a technical and mature sense), but that was all before LLTPQ and its introduction of a ragdoll species. I'll briefly mention what I said before since I can't find the posts right now.

Jack describes himself as 'old' in the Poor Jack Song and refers to him eventually turning to dust (which is ALSO mentioned by the Mayor when he announces Jack's 'death' to the town, how he is 'now a pile of dust'), which makes me believe that the death of skeletons (or maybe other undead species in Halloween Town) just eventually...resort to dust when they pass away? Does that mean that Jack, and the others, can age? I'm not too sure, but I imagine the process takes a loooooong time that's different for humans.

In Long Live the Pumpkin Queen, I believe it's mentioned that Albert (Sally's father) has graying facial hair and has gray speckles in his actual hair. This, and Sally growing up from her being a child, alludes to ragdolls aging - although I don't know how long that takes. I imagine, since they're not filled with organs and they're a lot like the undead in Halloween Town, that it's a process which takes a long time just like them.

I imagine Jack and Sally will live hundreds of years, if things go well, and they'll only really show their age by the time they're really old. But! Who's to say, really? I think lots of fans have their own headcanons on this sorta thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Anonymous asked:

I have a hard time imagining or believing Jack and Sally would get into any arguments. I’m sure they would eventually since every couple does.. but it’s just hard to think what they’d disagree about.

I agree, anon! They're a very sweet couple who were clearly established 'dearest' friends before starting their relationship, so I think they get along well, even after they're married.

I don't doubt they would eventually have an argument / disagreement with each other, I previously speculated it might be over something to do with Halloween Town + the Holidays, if they might butt heads trying to do things different ways...

I've seen some people say Sally should 'snap' or stand up for herself when Jack doesn't listen to her. I understand why she doesn't in the movie - her concern was over Jack's wellbeing and not necessarily being 'right' about her premonition - but I do think having her repeatedly ignored in further adaptations beyond Christmas justifies Sally asking him to simply give her words more consideration, after constantly being pushed aside like that.

HOWEVER. Sally DEFINITELY should have put Jack in his place in Mirror Moon, when he dumped all the Halloween planning/prepation on her without any full permission + discussion on his intentions, and ran away before she could object to it. I would've loved to see a proper confrontation and apology in that series.

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Anonymous asked:

Hey! was it ever confirmed that there was going to be a LLTPQ book series? I know there is another one coming out next year but was it ever said on how many books there’ll possibly be? (Also if there is a more books coming it’s a higher chance the Skellington kids can be in them hopefully! ) :)

Hey, anon! When Megan Shepherd announced that she was writing the sequel to Long Live the Pumpkin Queen, she referred to it as an 'original series' and that she was writing the 'next installment', so it's possible that there may be more books published after the sequel..!

It was never said how long the series is going to be and how many books there are planned(if any), so we'll have to wait and see, I guess..! I just don't know how they intend on tackling this series since there's already 2 different authors for the books...if they're going to change the author per book, or have Shea return for the next? 🤔 I guess it's going to be a waiting game to find out..!

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am I the only one who thinks oogie boogie is so underrated? I mean sure he's a very much dark and Sinister-qualified gambler who has very much perversion appreciation for a little pure innocent leg I understand, but I like him in a sinister way. it's the way his tone sounds and his design looks

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Oogie Boogie is one of the best Disney villains whose had his shine in recent years!! I remember when the Oogie Boogie Bash seemed to come out of nowhere, but it let him be the star of an event in the parks for the Disney Villains. I think his addition to Kingdom Hearts helped him gain some popularity, but for awhile it really felt like he was an underrated villain..!

--At least, he wasn't included in many discussions when people were talking about who the most EVIL Disney villain is, and I think Oogie deserves some consideration there because of his 'gambling on innocent lives' thing. He's also a rare case where the main character kills his villain - intentionally, and a little cruelly you can argue - so I think he should talked a bit more when it comes to Disney villains.

I'm a villain lover at heart, so I love characters who do evil things with no apology for them! Oogie is one of those characters who I love for his evil deeds and insistence on doing them, it makes him who he is and a great villain for it. <3

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Anonymous asked:

Hi! The author of the next LLTPQ book mentioned the book will be about time and this might be really far fetched lol but it reminded of the epilogue of Santa asking Jack would he go back in time to relieve the events of Christmas. Idk if the author knows about the epilogue, but it would be such a interesting story if it was connected!! Your thoughts?

ANONNNNN! I LOVE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS!

I don't know how well-known the Epilogue is, either, but I'm always crossing my fingers to see the Skellington children someday. But if Megan integrated Santa Claus' line like that - putting Jack Skellington in a situation where he could do the Christmas thing all over again with what he knew now - I'd love to see it!! What he would fix and what he wouldn't...

I really am intrigued how 'time' is going to be woven in the story and what will happen. I'm obviously on the edge of my seat hoping to see Jack and Sally starting a family, but we can only wait..! Rrgh!

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I do wonder what would happen if someone made a comic adoption of The Pumpkin King but added some new stuff that references Battle For The Pumpkin King. That's stuff I always have thought about.

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That would be a really cool idea!! If The Pumpkin King Game was where Jack and Oogie finally faced each other after many years of Boogie plotting his overthrow of Jack's reign in Edgar's Lair...maybe we could even see how and when he gets Lock, Shock, and Barrel to work for him...I'm still DYING to see the kid's backstories and how they met Oogie to begin with.

I would love something like this!! I'm always asking for more TNBC prequel content!

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Anonymous asked:

Hi! Do you think why the 2nd LLTPQ novel is delayed until next year is because it could’ve been too close to Sally’s lament and Disney probably didn’t want them to compete against each other?? Since they’re both a fairly popular series.

Hey! I'm not too entirely sure on the exact reason, but Megan Shepherd recently mentioned in a live video that there is currently a lot of 'back and forth' with Disney over the title right now. I can imagine that, if there is a lot of discussion over just the *name* of the book, that Disney's notes might be what is delaying the release. She also has no clue what the cover looks like, so I think the process is going a bit slow.

( ^ We also get a few fun notes about the book, where she mentions the element of 'time' and Sally exploring more unseen worlds!)

I should mention that the creators of the TNBC comic book series, Mirror Moon, faced many delays in the release dates of their issues, and when a fan contacted them about it, they said that Disney had a lot of 'notes' and 'changes' requested for the artists, which caused the delays. It was said that Disney takes their licenses seriously, so I wouldn't be surprised if them being protective over Nightmare causes some slow-downs with releases...

Megan says she hopes it will be released in early 2025, so here's on waiting and crossing our fingers..!

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Anonymous asked:

As a fan of LLTPQ + Megan Shepherd’s novel I’m personally excited for what the sequel novel. Do you have any headcanons for what it possibly could about? Also I love your blog!

I'm so excited, too!! I loved Megan Shepherd's novel and her writing, I can't wait to see her sequel to Long Live the Pumpkin Queen!

Personally, with the way LLTPQ ended, I think the next novel *should* either be about the new Holiday Worlds that Jack and Sally uncover + explore, and/or about them starting a family and what that brings to Halloween Town + the holidays.

I've previously made a post for what I also hope to see in the next continuation:

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Things I am hoping to see in Megan Shepherd's sequel to Long Live the Pumpkin Queen:

  • Jack and Sally's children (names at least, descriptors if we're lucky <3)
  • Appearance(s) from Albert and Greta again (As grandparents, hopefully 🤞)
  • Some focus and/or backstory reveal on Oogie Boogie, the trio, or the Mayor
  • Further/proper exploration of the other Holiday Towns besides the ones in LLTPQ
  • History reveal about Halloween Town itself, or the other Towns
  • Appearances and descriptors/names of the other Holiday Leaders
  • We get to read one of Jack & Sally's explorations of the undiscovered holidays/towns in the Hinterlands
  • More lore about the Hinterlands forest please!!!
  • An appearance/scene with Santa Claus again, maybe even talking about the Christmas Incident from before <3

--I know some of these sound like prequel requests, but if LLTPQ could be a sequel rewriting the backstory of Sally, then we can learn the lore of other characters/places too!!

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I wonder how everyone would react if they ever did find out what Edgar did to corrupt Oogie.

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YEAH!!! They clearly look up to Edgar, since they were disappointed to hear he was passing on the Pumpkin King title. Did they know about his (darker) intentions with his rule over Halloween town? How would have things went down if the Residents learned he was trying to fix the contest in favor of Oogie? It was awful, and I'm kind of disappointed his true colors were never revealed to anyone, even Jack.

I guess Oogie will be the only one who ever knew what the previous Pumpkin King was truly like...

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Anonymous asked:

Idk if it’s just me being bad at finding words to describe. But whenever I think about reasons Sally likes Jack and affection that she shows in the relationship a lot pops up. But for Jack I struggle to think to describe how he loves her and how he shows it. I definitely think they love each other very much!!! They literally are my OTP!! But I’m struggling to describe Jacks affection and love for Sally ahhhhhhh

Hmm, the way I've always seen Jack's affection for Sally is in the idea that they are both trying to escape from something (for Sally, it's the Doctor/the tower, for Jack, it's his crown), and they ultimately find that freedom in each other. From Jack's perspective, Sally is one of the few in Town that doesn't overwhelm him with praise, cares about his well-being despite how he may present himself, and was the only one to speak against his Christmas plans because she was worried about him.

Sally is the only one besides Zero who overhears his Lament, where he sings about things he simply cannot give up, but how much he wishes to. She relates to his situation and feelings of being 'trapped', because she herself is made for the Doctor, discouraged from her freedom outside the Tower. They both desperately dream of better situations for themselves that they feel they can't reach. But when they do, it turns out they were reaching for *each other*. (Sally being something 'new' in Jack's death that he's longing for, and Jack being the key to Sally's freedom in inspiring her to escape).

Sally was the one Jack turned to, entrusting something dear and personal with his Christmas plans - and she completely respected his space in return. Even though he didn't adhere to her warnings, she never gave up in trying to save him. Everything she does is in the better interest of Jack - she doesn't want him doing Christmas in fear of her premonition; she loved him and didn't want to lose him. He realizes everything she'd done for him at the end of the movie, and her long-time feelings for him during their friendship.

Sally understands and cares deeply about Jack as a person, not as the Pumpkin King. He has to put up a 'front' for his citizens - but Sally understands how he feels, and doesn't want him to pretend for her. She encourages and only wants the best for him- which is the support he actually desires, rather than the constant blind worship of his title.

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Something that I found interesting and awesome about Sally is the fact that she learned to defend herself on her own.

How do you think she would handle herself in the human world during Halloween?

By the way, I love your stuff!

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I think Sally would love the freedom of getting to explore the human world! Even more so since it's Halloween, so she can join her fellow monsters and not have to worry about disguising/hiding herself..!

I think she would handle herself well, all things considered! I have a headcanon that she and Jack go out scaring people together on Halloween, and he helps her recognize her strengths in scaring. She definitely terrifies humans with her detachable limbs and sewing herself. Being a living ragdoll might already creep some out as is, so she has a lot going for her. :)

I think she has a blast while also being cautious of herself and her fellow monsters, and helps anyone out when she can! It works to her benefit that her limbs can move on their own and she can always pull herself together, if the worst comes to worst.

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Anonymous asked:

After reading Zero's Journey (loved it) I had a random thought in my mind. Is it possible for a holiday town resident to integrate into another holiday? Would the resident even survive living in a different holiday? I've barely seen any theories about this, so I would love to hear some thoughts about it!

I actually made a post thinking about this exact same thing in regards to Mr. Myzer! Truth be told, I thought this would've been a prominent / big thing in Zero's Journey, since they hinted to it - I was a little disappointed that Myzer's arc didn't lead him to Halloween Town, and how that would've affected the holiday/towns/citizens. We could've gotten a HUGE insight to potential exchanges between the holiday towns!

It makes me wonder if it's possible for Residents to move into a different holiday/town, since they have a purpose to fulfill for the humans with where they are. As I mentioned in the post, an Elf in Halloween Town would be a strange thing - but if Myzer's menacing shadows/past are anything to go by, is it possible for different creatures to integrate into another holiday? So long as they serve the humans, would it be alright? That they all come to the same goal? Or does each holiday prohibit their inhabitants from living in another world, since it would cause another catastrophe like Jack Skellington's takeover of Christmas? Is it magically, or set by fate, to be *impossible*? 🤔

Long Live the Pumpkin Queen *lightly* delves into the Holiday leaders working together, but I would love to know more, if they have certain rules or codes of conduct when it comes to this sort of thing. I like to think they'd share their holidays with each other, teach them about it and maybe even celebrate together! I'm sure that, inevitably, the question would come - could someone from one holiday, simply choose to live in a different town? LLTPQ mentions the leaders/residents *visiting* the other worlds/towns, but I'd love to know what the limits are to that.

One of TNBC's takeaways is that the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. Jack Skellington *couldn't* take charge of Christmas, he belongs to Halloween, and thus had to find his inspiration elsewhere. Maybe there's a limitation that each soul is destined to a holiday and cannot mix/move elsewhere. It's a sad thought, but just one of the theories, if the movie is anything to go by..!

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The Battle for Pumpkin King #1

In this post, I’ll be talking about the first Issue of The Battle for Pumpkin King! I’ll be tagging all my spoilers with #Pumpkin King Spoilers, for anyone who wants to avoid them! Below are my thoughts about this first issue and where this comic series may go.

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Anonymous asked:

Have you seen the original scene for Oogie and Jacks ending confrontation? We get to see jacks tombstone that Jorgen Klubien drew in his storyboards! You might already know of this but if you haven't the video is called "The Nightmare Before Christmas Workprint - Jack and Oogie Boogie's Confrontation" Pretty interesting! :)

Oh! You might’ve seen me mention Jack’s tombstone in a previous ask! I've seen the Workprint, and I have MANY, MANY thoughts about it!

For one - I loved seeing Santa Claus and Sally working together, they’re a great duo! It was nice to see them coming up with a plan to help Jack and putting it into execution. Dressing up one of the skeletons was a cute touch, and Jack ‘acting’ like he was in pain while hiding with Sally & Zero was funny! I just...loved the whole thing. <3

This Workprint shows something SUPER interesting, though -- and that’s Oogie Boogie and his bugs. He actually sends a *huge* swarm to Jack, who has to run because the bugs eat/destroy everything in its path, including a fellow skeleton in a cage. It might’ve been a *nightmare* for the animators to do that in stop motion, as Oogie’s unraveling scene took a long time to make, so I understand why the concept didn’t make the cut. But, still! It’s a GREAT example of what Oogie is capable of, and how he’d make an equal match against Jack!

Also, Sally’s big smile when Jack’s realizing that she understood all along 🥺 ...also also.....his hand around her waist... 👀

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