me @ the cw seeing how j*red heavy all the post-finale stuff has been 

well, guess what!!!! he’s dead too!!!

(ty ely @rambleoncas​ for the screenshots💖)

When Eileen came back last episode it honestly hit me full force again how much I enjoyed they’re chemistry together and how much I missed it over the last few seasons. No other character has ever had that same effect. Which is why I never really shipped Sam with anyone before (not in a “this could actually happen”-kinda way anyway).

Yes I also quite enjoyed Samwena but after 15x06 I had to admit to myself that it was more my “I want the boys to find love and be happy”-thinking more than  anything else that got me on board on that ship. And the fact I was damn sure they would not ever bring Eileen back after 2 seasons of absence.

And sure Eileen and Sam didn’t get a huge amount of buildup but as wigglebox already pointed out what we actually got was romantic af. I looked up the Saileen stuff from two years ago recently and just look at this gifset or this one. 

Look at them being all smiley and cute together. Honestly if it works does it need a ton of buildup? I know compared to destiel it seems minuscule but against over 10 years every other ship is gonna lose.

I had the same reaction. We haven’t seen her since 2017 and I had honestly forgotten just how much they made me smile on screen together. It wasn’t as much of a build-up but it wasn’t crazy over the top either, which is just where I like it! 

I enjoyed Samwena as “hey! maybe!”, but I was exactly like you: I just want them to be happy and comfortable (at whatever level they can find it at). I was also sure they weren’t going to bring Eileen back, but I still included her in my post-15 headcanon in March of last year, not in a way like it was going to happen but like in a way for me to write post-canon fanfic (didn’t get behind Sam/Rowena as much at the time and Jess was just so long ago, I couldn’t do it). I was elated, like many others, hearing she’d come back. 

And I don’t think any of us expected that kind of an episode when she came back. It was beautiful, really. 

I think, when comparing to Destiel, there has to be a limit on how far to go with it. Eileen doesn’t exist to be a Destiel mirror, she has more purpose than that, and their relationship currently and hopefully in the future stands separate from them. Dean and Cas have had such a build-up for many reasons, those reasons that don’t really apply to Sam and Eileen (mostly, being comfortable with yourself and identity on all sides). It’s why I’m like don’t even look at the number of episodes, look at the substance! Sam and Eileen hit it off from the beginning and not in a gross over the top way, but in a nice gentle way, and I’m happy this episode reminded a lot of us just how amazing they were together, even just standing next to each other in the same scene. 

I think “moving on” is a relevant overall season theme and also to this discussion. From Cas moving on from Dean, to Dean tiredly echoing the words, and empty space reigning; to Sam saying he couldn’t move on, he hadn’t even really moved on from Jess. And along came the ghost of Eileen, with Jessica now a distant memory but while a few years old, still fresh loss of an entire life and feeling Sam had cultivated with a hunter, with someone in the life if by dopey skype calls and fumbles learning sign language, the implicit fact even of how long they had been contacting each other offscreen – like; like Jessica an entire … life went up in flames, or down to hell with a hellhound.

They didn’t know a way to bring anyone back – Eileen or Cas; Cas came back and there you have it. Some as mentioned thought Rowena filled that role; that’s a whole other aside. But the short of it was, there was nowhere to even move on to for Eileen. Supposedly she can’t get to heaven and they weren’t going to throw her to hell, but she didn’t want to become a monster and hurt people. Adventures In Creating An Eileen Pokeball aside, we know where it ended.

I like the previous point raised of Eileen and Jess’ mirror positions – not just face up or face down, but death by fire or birth in water. While Eileen is certainly her own character, that embodies so much it even calls forward the concept of liberty and hope that Sam Winchester had at Stanford all those years ago, the spirit of Jess – but no, almost moved on from that, even, to instead turn and see Eileen just like in the car of Bloody Mary, if you will.

What makes Eileen considerably more remarkable than Sam’s other interests framed in these moments is how much of a character she *is* rather than a concept framed for the hero. She isn’t a ghost haunting their dreams – she’s a bamf that will get into immortal kombat as a ghost that had a huge assed international hunting career like? Literally her ghost came to kick ass not stand in a white dress I’m sorry like here you go

Meanwhile Cas knew that if he stayed on his meditative fishing trip/case, nothing would change, so it was time for him to go.

A great long analysis of Eileen’s character so far Jen :)

The TLDR of this whole unnecessary and stupid ship wank, which I was amazed to see on my dash tbh when I just came online to squee about canon and has been created by bitter Samwena shippers, is that Saileen is intended as romantic, written, scripted, and acted as romantic, and Samwena was not.

And now we have the result of that, Saileen, while Rowena is off having her own independent character storyline (no I’m sure her story isn’t over).

It’s really that simple.

I do feel for Samwena shippers because I get why Samwena organically made sense in many ways and could have easily had a layer of romance added to it, but it just didn’t.

What we did have was absolutely obvious hammer to the face romance with Eileen in season 12 after a brilliant equal-footing BAMF hunter meet cute in season 11, with Shoshannah confirming that she was scripted as flirting with Sam, and ultimately an absolutely clear as day romantic link there.

Then we have Sam being all goofy, blushing and cute with Eileen, and now fighting to save her and it being romantic AF.

Like. I am kind of astounded that we’re even writing posts about the comparison between the two because it shouldn’t be this way. We should be able to write about Sam’s bond with Rowena and his bond with Eileen and not have to compare them by romance because his bond with Rowena was more than just allies, there was a deeper bond based on mutual admiration and understanding of trauma and past experiences, it just wasn’t romantic and we shouldn’t have to defend our actual canon romance from others trying to force romance on this non-romantic duo, which was absolutely fantastic and meaningful to their individual arcs and didn’t need the addition of romance to be deep, and being bitter about it. It’s literally like incest shippers hating on Destiel because one is actually canonically in the show and the other isn’t and they’re pissed cos they wanted the one that isn’t in the show. Shaming us for enjoying the actual canon romance, saying it’s cheap and fan service and other nonsense I’ve seen.

Enough said on this matter for me tbh, I’ll just get accused of ship warring like Saz was when saying we’d like to just enjoy actual canon without being accused of enjoying something crappy, badly executed or ooc or whatever. Getting shit for enjoying what the authors intended us to enjoy. I can’t even.

It’s just entirely dumb given the absolute hammer to the face way Eileen is set up as her own awesome character and a romantic interest for Sam who seems smitten to bits, to have to defend the fact that we enjoy the canon of it and no it’s not cheap and crappy because you preferred a nonexistent in canon ship, it’s beautiful, the set up is clear, the bathtub scene was absolutely gobsmackingly beautiful, and no one will take that away from canon.

jack’s birthday

this moment about sam remembering jack’s birthday?

dean blanks completely and sam remembers exactly.

sam remembers for the same reason dean forgot: it was one of the worst days of their lives.

their mom is gone. their best friend was murdered. and they had what they thought was a scary powerful creature on the loose.

and what i think is amazing is that even though it was the worst day, it was the start of a significant and beautiful change in their lives.

For the love of god, please keep this destiel-shipping, Sam-and-Jared-hating piece of shit and her horrid posts off my dash. I already blocked her in 50 different ways. What else do I have to do here? CASGIRLSAM IS AN ASSHOLE WHO SPENDS MOST OF HER TWITTER TIME ATTACKING PEOPLE AND TALKING SHIT ABOUT JARED WITH HER DISGUSTING BEST FRIEND CAROL HANSSON. Now maybe she can block me and I’ll be rid of her for good. 

lol wut

@theyjustdontgetitdothey lol what? talking shit about Jared? You mean her favorite cast member? the one who is literally her profile picture EVERYWHERE?

What are you smoking and where can I get some?

people like that have been like this since before i joined the fandom. they think you can’t possibly love destiel AND sam or be a fan of misha AND j2.

it’s pure projection. they ship wincest and hate cas and they “love” j2 and hate misha, so obviously the reverse must be true. or so their logic goes.

like our pal diane? she had to go back TWO YEARS to find anything she deemed hateful and it was stuff like “wow sam is so tired of dean and cas’s shit lol” and “man jared really disappointed me with his behavior the other day.”

and what i love is that my friend they mentioned? carol? her crime was she forgot to add jared and the always keep fighting campaign to an article about spn charities which she amended and apologized for.

when was this? you’re probably thinking. surely that must have been recent since they’re obviously still upset.

nope. it’s been a year and they’re STILL TO THIS DAY yelling at her about it. she even got to the point where she apologized TO JARED and they yelled at her for THAT because apologies are selfish or some such nonsense.

and yet they still label her as a “heller” and a jared hater despite her being a non-shipper and jared being her absolute favorite. all because of one article and because she’s friends with people who aren’t in the bronly lane. that’s legit it.

Lol what the fuck they came on YOUR post which has nothing romantic on it to moan about you being on their dash for stuff completely irrelevant to this post.

You’re on their dash because people reblog your posts because they’re great and clearly are Sam positive which is what they follow people for.

If you’re blocked they won’t see your posts. It ain’t hard. If they do for some reason they can scroll by. Or you know just enjoy the stuff that they might like, such as the Sam and brother positive stuff. Wow I know it’s hard to compute not being an asshole but there you go.

This is one of the most hilarious bronly bullshit I’ve seen in ages. What a laugh! They really just show their colours as morons and assholes with this kinda shit.

PSA

If you’re reading Destiel out of metas that don’t even discuss Destiel or bi-Dean, such as independent or growing brother metas, or team free will parenting Jack, or current active major plot mechanics, or basic states of address on surrounding environments or basic events transcribed act-for-act, maybe it’s not the people typing these things without even talking about Destiel or Castiel that you have the problem with.

I just read a dean stan saying that our metas reduce dean to a one dimensional character and tbh I’m cackling so hard I can’t even compute the stupid. If you’re reading our meta analysis that literally, the whole point, is tearing down the one dimensional performance TO talk about the layers and the other side of himself that he hides and coming away from that thinking we are saying he’s actually one dimensional I don’t think it’s us that are the problem either. If they’re misreading both the show and the clear, obvious analysis we write that’s literally pointing it out then... I don’t see any hope for them.

Idk. Get some Gatorade to boost the mind process or something, at this point I don’t know how to even try to fix the stupid.

I would really love it if fandom learned the difference between Dom/Sub and Top/Bottom and stopped fetishising it

It would be useful for many aspects for people to grasp the idea that sexual penetration is not an act with inherent power connotations…

I, for one, would like it if people stopped treating sexual acts as personality traits.

There is a worrying fandom trend in forcing male characters in mlm ships to fit some heterosexual box where one is the “girl” because they are the bottom and a sub and therefore they become more feminised in fandom because of it. 

Please stop making awesome male characters into Anastasia Steel. 

Its homophobic and misogynistic by nature. 

So glad to see people beyond us guys in the fandom pointing this out. It derives from heteronormativity and causes harmful, real world problems where people assume that gay men take on straight gender roles and that one is the ‘woman’ and the other the 'man’. Recently, I had someone say that my husband looked different than what she ‘expected’. She didn’t go into details, but I got the impression she thought my stay-at-home-dad husband would be more femme than me, when in actuality, he’s ex special ops military, in incredible shape, taller, and more masculine. He takes on the traditionally ‘feminine’ roles like childcare, shopping, cleaning, etc, because it makes more logical sense for him to do so–not because of any personality trait or gender role.

There are more traditional, conservative gay cultures that do have stricter roles, but many of those are highly misogynistic and don’t consider those who take on the ‘masculine’ roles to be gay at all, but straight. 

Despite a ton of stereotypes, for the most part, it’s been my experience that you never know what position someone’s going to prefer until you get them into the bedroom. Most gay/bi men are vers–that is, they don’t exclusively top or bottom. Even guys who will call themselves top will still bottom on occasion and vice versa. And people will change their preference over time. Someone may start out only topping, and then switch to only bottoming. There’s a lot of factors that go into it–difficulty staying hard while topping, unresponsive prostate, health issues, etc.

This also intersects with racism. Black men are portrayed more often as tops due to the stereotype of being aggressive; Asian men as bottoms due to being seen as submissive. It’s rare to find fics where Kevin tops or Max/Gordon bottoms.

This is not to say that no one should have a preference. I know a man who almost exclusively writes top Sam and another who only does bottom Sam. A preference is fine. I just ask that people examine where their preference comes from. I’ve seen a lot of people say that Sam should top because he’s taller or ‘more aggressive’ (and what does that say about the traditionally woman’s role in sex?). Again, nothing wrong with having a size kink or a preference, but just examine it critically to see if it comes from a stereotype.

This is also not to say that people shouldn’t write A/B/O or other fics where gender stereotypes are heavily tied into the sexual roles, just that fandom should come up with a way to tag that so that those of us who find it triggering/problematic can avoid it. I wish that heteronormativity, essential gender roles, or something similar was a common tag. As it is, I only read fics by recommended by people I know and trust and I avoid A/B/O entirely unless written by someone whose writing style and approach to gender roles I know extremely well and trust, since heteronormativity really bothers me, especially if parenting is involved.

I don’t tag top/bottom because I’ve noticed that fics with those tags often contain gender role elements, which I don’t use for my characters, but I would love to be able to tag those positions for those who do have a preference. I’ve been thinking about tagging with pitcher/catcher, which are old gay terms I wish had taken off instead of top/bottom because, as I understand it, top/bottom are used within the BDSM community, and that may be also contributing to the stereotypes, but the vast majority in slash don’t know those terms. Just like how the mlm community uses vers while slash uses switch to describe someone who isn’t exclusive top/bottom.

I realize that slash fandom is primarily a space by women for women, although we men have been here on the margins for decades as well. I understand that a lot women work out issues with their assigned gender roles in their fics and I definitely don’t want to tell women how to write/enjoy smut. I’ve been accused of gatekeeping when I’ve talked about this issue before and that is definitely not my intention at all. I enjoy problematic stuff in fiction myself. Only Gay For You is one of my favorite tropes and I write it while tagging characters as straight since I know a lot of queer people hate it/find it problematic, which it definitely can be. There’s nothing wrong with problematic content in fiction, in fact, I think fiction is the perfect place to examine problematic tropes and gender roles. If you want to write all your bottoms as sub femmes, go for it! It’s your space!

I would just like to see fandom be an inclusive, safe space for multiple marginalized communities and proper tagging would be a great way to do that.

This is amazing thank you for your addition :)

I would really love it if fandom learned the difference between Dom/Sub and Top/Bottom and stopped fetishising it

It would be useful for many aspects for people to grasp the idea that sexual penetration is not an act with inherent power connotations…

I, for one, would like it if people stopped treating sexual acts as personality traits.

There is a worrying fandom trend in forcing male characters in mlm ships to fit some heterosexual box where one is the “girl” because they are the bottom and a sub and therefore they become more feminised in fandom because of it. 

Please stop making awesome male characters into Anastasia Steel. 

Its homophobic and misogynistic by nature. 

I love all of you

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I’m always amazed whenever someone acts like it’s some new, In The Know discovery that production bullshit happens and you can’t bank everything in one direction at any given time, no matter how much sense it makes.

In fact, I’ve been preaching production bullshit since the dawn of time. I’ve preached production bullshit hard enough that I’ve had hard lane burnouts from season 9 come at me over it, or current hardliners yell at me something something queerbait.

Luckily my more recent discussions have remained untouched by that kind of chaos, despite quotes I know are blunt AF like “You’d think for a community so coated in rainbows we would understand things aren’t so black and white,” about “Nothing is promised,” about “production is a changing landscape,” about corporate decisions or politics.

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This ^

*rocking chair creeks* back in my day we loved by the ancient proverb “don’t like, don’t read.” Apparently it’s something the new crop of fans needs to learn.

Its entirely possible friends, to see something you don’t like - be it a ship or a head canon or the name of a Big Bang or whatever - that you don’t like and IGNORE it.

You are not changing minds attacking people, you’re just causing unrest and needless fighting. Just scroll past. It’s so easy.

Look, typically I would say the same thing, oh it’s just harmless, let people have their fun, move on, /big yawn from fandom old, but with all due respect (and when I say “with all due respect” I do actually mean it, because I have a great deal of respect for you and many of the other people who’ve reblogged this post), I think that in this case saying “stay in your lane young’ns” is pretty condescending. I’m not twelve, and @dotthings, who wrote the post the drama blew up on, didn’t tag it with the anything except #fandom wank for ts. She’s entitled to say whatever she liked on her blog. She didn’t attack anyone, ffs.

I get it. It’s uncomfortable watching drama blow up, and when you are fandom old and you’ve seen it all before you don’t want to get involved, and you just want the drama to shut up and go away so the fandom can coast along on whatever level of understanding it currently has between shipping factions. As a multishipper especially, I’m prone to saying ‘holy fuck y’all will you just grow up’ and act like it’s an age problem, but there is nothing more ostracizing to fans more than saying “you’re new, just chill out”. I rarely say it myself, and I try to avoid reblogging anything that uses that kind of language, no matter how much I like the rest of the posts.

It’s entirely possible for people to express dislike of things and not get attacked for having that dislike so long as it’s harmless. Said post from OP had a handful of likes and that was it, it was never going to be heard from again, and honestly it expresses some perfectly reasonable commentary on why the language is not good, but it doesn’t insist on being heard. It didn’t tag the challenge blog, it did nothing but talk to itself BEHIND A CUT about issues, and all the words that could have drawn attention had asterisk in them! Are you telling the gencest mod to scroll on past? No. Even though that’s the person who flew in causing drama here.

As for scroll on past, that’s basically the WHOLE issue here! That’s exactly what this new tag is causing trouble with! The #wincest tag protects wincest shippers as well as the people who don’t want to read it. While the gencest tag has only been used half a dozen times so far, if it becomes common fandom terminology, it’s another tag people who want to avoid wincest will have to block, not least because two of the drabbles (not behind cuts) tagged gencest at the moment are NOT tagged wincest, despite having gencest tags, i.e. the cest in gencest refers to incest. It makes it wincest. It is G rated wincest which is NOT tagged as wincest! It’s not okay! These tags protect everyone. They are how we avoid things that trigger us, and incest is outright harmful to some people. They stop people coming in the wincest tag and causing shit where it doesn’t belong (which again! the OP didn’t do!) The issue as it developed came from the mod being seemingly unable to acknowledge that putting ‘cest’ in the title made it an incest challenge. All people were asking for was for them to be upfront about that, and when challenged on it they held their ground. #gencest should NOT be being used as a REPLACEMENT for #wincest, end of story.

Look, this is not okay. I’m a multishipper playing devil’s advocate here. I’m already VERY AWARE that I’m not welcome in wincest fandom because I was blocked by members of it without doing fuck all a week - JUST ONE WEEK - after I arrived on tumblr. I actually like reading wincest, but I don’t reblog that content myself because I do not feel welcome doing so. I am also relatively fandom old, all things considered. New-ish to SPN, sure, in that I’ve been watching the show for five years, but what has that got to do with it? At the end of the day, as a multishipper, I know the value and importance of tagging and maintaining correct tags, and I’m entitled to discuss that on my own blog, or with other people I know, without it turning into a cross fandom battle AND without people judging me for getting hyped up and causing issue where they don’t see it.

Silencing everyone because it might cause trouble may sound great for keeping pulses down if you don’t want to be involved, but it doesn’t make the topic less worth talking about. If we didn’t discuss things because someone might not like it, hell, we wouldn’t even have AO3 in the first place. You can keep your distance from this kind of discourse just fine by following your own advice and scrolling past or unfollowing the people involved, but don’t minimize people who have an issue and choose to express it.

This ^

Ship and let ship absolutely, just tag accordingly. Simple.

The issue here is someone / a few people trying to insert something potentially triggering and problematic into a general tag without tagging it with what it is. It’s not an issue of us being annoyed by the topic but by the lack of accepting that they should tag accurately.

GET👏DESTIEL👏OUT👏OF👏THE👏SUPERNATURAL👏TAG👏

1. 99% of Destiel posts, or let’s just call it posts about Dean and Cas, that I see on my dash are literally quoting canon from the show. We tag it in the Supernatural tag because it’s in the show and this is canon. It’s also tagged Destiel most of the time for your sensitive tastes to blacklist and for people who like it to see. Simple.

2. Destiel as a fanon ship is even quoted in the show. So is Wincest. I blacklist Wincest because I don’t want to see it on my dash, if someone tags Supernatural and Wincest as they’re more than allowed to do, that’s fine and I won’t police them. I blacklist it to avoid it where possible and this mostly works. Blacklist Destiel and Deancas. It’s not hard. About 99% again of Destiel posts I see are tagged as Destiel, even more to the point totally canon ones are often tagged Destiel so that people so sensitive to any kind of Dean and Cas interaction can avoid it even when it’s canon. I mean at this point it’s like getting angry about Han Solo Leia content at the end of the second movie, jeez. It’s there. Deal with it.

3. When the occasional badly or untagged tagged Wincest crosses my dash you know what I do? I scroll by. Because I’m not an entitled asshole.

4. You follow a bunch of major nasty Bronlies who constantly post hate about various cast and family members. Surely that’s way more horrid than a very few badly tagged shipping posts or actual canon from the show you love enough to blog about.

TL;DR: Destiel as a fanon ship is canon on the show so can absolutely be tagged with both Supernatural and Destiel tags. It’s up to you to blacklist what you personally don’t want to see. If there’s an element of canon you don’t like, that’s not the shows fault or the fault of the fans who do like it, or their problem if you have a hissy fit over it.

As well as this posts that are untagged Destiel but show Dean and Cas canon content from the show are more than allowed to do so as that is canon Dean Winchester and Castiel content. It is tagged accordingly with their character and general spn tags.

Move on. Grow up.

Lmao, the OP mispelled “don’t make me look at all of these canon gifsets from the show of them because I don’t like their relationship! I shouldn’t HAVE to blacklist it! Just nobody is allowed to talk about this part of Supernatural in Supernatural fandom!”

Me, a contrary bitch in the tags:

Y'all think Destiel is canon? Have you ever seen the show? What is “canon” about it? Wincest, in a platonic capacity is canon. It’s been canon since day one, and is more canon than Destiel. I have blacklisted Destiel, and go into the Supernatural tag and half of it is tagged as Destiel, which is shouldn’t be. Some Wincest fans might not tag it appropriatley, but theres a lot less of it in the main Supernatural tag, than there is Wincest. Neither ship should be on the main page tag. Just because Dean and Cas interact means its Destiel either, that’s just desperation.

Also those “nasty people” i follow are actually very sweet! They tend to only hate Misha and his crazy antics, and his character, Cas, because they, and I, all think he’s been used up. None of us were crazy about a Wayward spinoff as well.

Yeah, gosh, gif sets of Dean and Cas are just totally CGI and not from the show, fam. We have master level wizards in our pool over here. Some people *do* just use the portmanteau as DeanCas engaging. But if you think someone who spits incorrect generationalist and anti-actor vitriol is just a smolsweetbean, you already have a perception problem to begin with.

I’m not saying they’re CGI, im saying a lot of times, those interactions are taken out of context and made into something they’re not. Dean and Cas are friends. They won’t turn into anything more on the show, because thats not what the show is about. I get that some people don’t agree with the people i called sweet, but they have an opinion, that i happen to agree with, but thats a whole other thing.

I made this post originally because i was tired of seeing tons of gray boxes in the Supernatural tags, with what I blacklisted. I just wanted to see stuff pertaining to Supernatural, without having a certain ship shoved in my face. I also see it in the Sam Winchester tag, which I shouldn’t. (My b for tagging this in the destiel tag as well!). Sorry for voicing an opinion y'all!

“Rahhhhh you can only discuss actual scenes from the show under my approval of correct interpretation, even contrary to oft-times author endorsed discussion context and application because I, random pissy fan on Tumblr, doth declare it’s not what the show is about!” Nah fam. Cry all you want. People can discuss how they interpret the show however they want, with canon content from the show, and reasonable extrapolations of the content, in any big public tag for the show as long as it’s not some rapey bullshit. Take your tears somewhere else.

Lmao this person is actually complaining about blacklisting working and people enjoying a ship on TUMBLR, I can’t even.

Like, aside from this blatant disregard for common decency and politess for a fandom space shared between all of us who like different things, my dude, if it’s just so rampant that you’re seeing it all the time because it’s so popular and people like it so much, plus the canon stuff is canon so doesn’t have to be tagged as the ship for blacklisting, meanwhile whinging that we “make it into something it’s not” while… canon.

Plus the writers literally point out that it’s romantic by saying things like “Destiel isn’t canon?!” and the showrunner and number one writer purposefully and blatantly paralleling their interactions to multiple canon couples on the show, most recently in the last friggin episode…

There might be something to it 😂

Whinging about people enjoying it and tagging it accordingly so you can blacklist and this blacklisting is working is like whinging about people being happy that Sam is embracing being the leader and letting go of his Lucifer guilt or that Dean is letting more of his true self out and admitting he loves Disney movies and putting it in the show’s tag.

There’s a difference between being annoyed with people badly tagging stuff that is triggering or problematic so that it appears on your dash and someone just being butthurt that something positive, by it’s definition about love, loved by many fans and waved at by the writers as being done on purpose … *exists*.

Update with the latest: they’ve now descended into classic bronly bs territory with both “Dean is straight because Jensen said so” and “Megstiel is better than Destiel”. Kudos mate. You’ve nearly hit the bullshit jackpot, I’m just waiting for “it’s just pandering” and “it’s just a joke” to turn up now 😆

Disregarding so much canon, eg. Dean / Crowley subtext, disregarding Dabb himself taking line for line DeanCas for his starcrossed lovers David and Violet, disregarding second in command Bobo using every single trope and line he could from DeanCas history for Claire / Kaia who are confirmed as romantic.

TL;DR their argument is “forget canon, Dean is straight”.

Sure, Jan.

Okay i have to get in on this because, literally

every single destiel post that was in the supernatural tag was either a gifset from the show, that happens to be called supernatural, or a post about the characters in general

But I have, by all means, never seen a post that was about destiel that was tagged supernatural and not destiel. Every post that has the spn tag also has the destiel tag.

Now I can telepathically tell that you’re gonna ask why would they tag it supernatural too destiel is enough isnt it,

1. well, bitch, its a ship from the show. These are characters from that show. We are still fans of Supernatural first. We are a subfandom. Hell, tumblr mashes destiel and spn together in the trending tap all the time. You dont see a johnlock post thats not tagged bbc sherlock. You dont even see a disney movie not tagged disney anymore.

2. There’s people that follow some mixed blogs that dont wanna see supernatural at all and they blacklist the general tag, like decent human beings do, so we help them by tagging our shit accordingly.

We help you too by tagging it destiel on the side but I guess its too much to ask for people to blacklist even tho its an official feature by now. I went out of my way to blacklist wincest and i still see wincest smut every week. Do I complain? Fuck no. So you dont get to do that either.

Tumblr is 17+ but some of you act like you’re typing with a pacifier and your diapers in a twist.

@foodiestiel You are so right! I’ve had a couple Tumblrs before this one that I have deleted because I couldn’t believe how many assholes and negative people I find on here. I am hoping to stay on Tumblr this time. But sometimes the amount of assholes on here is overwhelming.

isnt it just.. you know… sad? you could have fuun. you could be haapy.

but insteaad, you choose to be a grandpa gone toddler waving your cussword shaped rattle to the happy people outside of your house from your rusted cobwebbed window.

i get it youre too stubborn to admit you can clean your window and let the light and sunshine in but you cant keep denying that a rainbow exists because you have never seen one. thats just stupid.

Also dont talk about misha like that ill fight you

“Tumblr is 17+ but some of you act like you’re typing with a pacifier and your diapers in a twist. “

I’m sure it’s not the all of us destiel fans because assholes and extreme fans are everywhere, but I never seen a destiel shipper being disrispectful and nasty or straight up hateful to the point of insulting towards y’all haters.

The Wincest thing

I see it.

I don’t like it.

I. SCROLL. PAST. IT.

Y’all destiel/Misha/ Cass haters are so butthurt I swear .

Also OP:

“Also those “nasty people” i follow are actually very sweet! They tend to only hate Misha and his crazy antics, and his character, Cas, because they, and I, all think he’s been used up. None of us were crazy about a Wayward spinoff as well. “

“Sweet people” paired with “they tend to only hate”

lol are you serious?

Wow i go to work for 5+ hours and y'all are still here! I’ve given up on this nonsense, so have fun debating with each other about how horrible of a person I am or whatever. I straight up don’t have time for this. Thanks for the notes on this post! This one is going straight to the top!!! Night all!

lmao debating

yeah i mean if imaginary internet currency makes you feel better, whatever

we’ll be over here laughing about destiel being the minority but also being the majority of spn posts

lmao wow

I’m still lol. “Ya’ll thousands of you motherfuckers are still here, thanks for the notes lifting me to the top showing everyone that I’m complaining because I don’t have content if I blacklist Destiel, which we’ll pretend is the minority. I’ma pretend I’m rational for complaining about you properly tagging things after tagging this into the destiel tag to complain about destiel.” I couldn’t pay to get into a club with better humor than these folks. They even filled out the bigot bingo card for the week in the notes!

It’s even funnier that they live in such a fandom hole that they think 500 notes is a lot. Didn’t Nancy try that logic too? Bruh, I’m a niche blog and feel moderately kinda-successful if I hit 500. 1000 I feel I did good. I’m still crushed beneath major post sizes. But if 500 seems like a lot to them, that’s pretty telling.

bUt sAm n dEaN pOSts gEt a LoT no shit sherlock Destiel fans are fans of Sam & Dean and J2, too. 

Funny what happens when you aren’t tagging either a triggery taboo ship or a dead triggery ship or whatever else and just enjoy the show. Which yes, includes the relationship between Dean and Cas, even if not sexual.

Bless.

This exact same thing happened a month ago when I reblogged a different anti destiheller post with wtf (the one accusing us of being butthurt that Cas and Sam get close like wtf we love Cas and Sam!) and you could clearly see on the spider chart that 800+ notes came directly from my reblog from positive bloggers who were annoyed at being trashed talked from nowhere while 4 Bronlies attempted to laugh it off and said they’re glad the post got notes.

Sweetie if a post is getting notes precisely because you’re being dragged for talking rubbish that’s not a good thing.

If a Burger Joint’s original tweet gets 4 retweets from diehard fans who hate every single other brand cos #reasons related to I wanna screw the hot burger flipper but thousands of people retweet the Wendy’s response revealing that the original tweet is full of falacies then I tell you what, Burger Joint’s marketing department ain’t throwing a party. They know they’re in the shit.

If your most popular post with high notes is one where you’re being called out by literally everyone for being a dick that makes you the opposite of popular doofus.

You’ve been caught out tagging destiel in a post about destihellers being x y z which is complete bullshit and have continued to drop about 90% of the bullshit adjacent problematic accusations and arbitrary interpretations we are used to seeing from people with no interpretative bone in their body who also happen to hate on people for no valid reason, whilst completely ignoring actual canon and author intended (we know this because they literally said so eg. Edlund re Aaron and Bobo re Dreamhunter) things we were supposed to pick up on. Dude I don’t like Crowley x Dean subtext but it’s fucking there and on purpose, alluded to many different times by different writers. It’s there. Deal with it.

Meanwhile “I follow nice people who are only hateful about the things I’m also hateful about therefore they’re nice” is a fine way to say I’m also a hateful person who hates on philanthropic cast members and wives because they hurt my nasty fantasies where grown men are living a life of Hell, trapped and sad all the time whilst boning each other for the little comfort they can get and having to pretend to like a cast member as a friend and yes it’s all just PR even all the stuff we don’t see in PR is for PR! Like wtf. Why do you want them to be so miserable in this horrible existence where they can only be total assholes too to bring children into the world and “pretend” to like them. Who goes on fake trips with a colleague that we don’t find out about for years for PR? Who the fuck does all that? Assholes or weak idiots. Make your fave out to be an asshole or a weak ass moron through your sick made up fantasies rather than accept they are nice happy human beings who actually like Misha and their own families? Too much of a stretch? Too much of a nice thing when all you want is to thrive off fake made up negativity because accepting the proof of them being happy is too much of a chore for you? Or perhaps it makes you feel better in your life that you imagine them unhappy too and make up these awfully horrid for everyone involved even children fantasies. WTF.

There’s a reason I have a tag #idiots on the internet. It should be stronger.