Guys, intent isn’t magic. This matters when we talk about males in female spaces regardless of what they are for. I’ve talked about it before, but when I was in my dv survivors group, I had male cofacilitators that led or helped lead the group. I’m sure these men believed they had good intentions. But their actions and their presence had the same result as any other male in female space. It stunted discussions, stunted growth and stunted solidarity. I lost count of how many of us would talk more before and after group than during. So I’m sorry, but I don’t care what a males intentions are or what their thought process is. This is actually still entitlement and males don’t belong in female spaces

It makes me so mad that everyone automatically assumes that women should just hand over their resources and spaces as if it's no big deal. "what are trans women supposed to do, they are not safe in the men's changing room", well and women are not safe when anyone who claims to be a woman can enter their changing rooms? Why do you think women should simply smile and nod and sacrifice their needs? I know this isn't some new insight I just had this discussion with someone and it was so baffling how little he even thought of it as a conflict of interests, obviously the needs of trans women trump everything else.

Regardless of gender identity, the female people are seen as the servant class. We create space for ourselves? Surely it’s just to practice so we can make it bigger and let everyone in eventually. Taking care of ourselves? Of course, you need to take care of yourself to be able to care for others!

Our safety, comfort and wants are never seen as anything but a step towards something more relevant. If we stop at our well-being and enjoyment, the fabric of the patriarchy starts to break. Remember our place. Never be selfish. The male god whipped us up as an afterthought to serve his greatest creation.

 This is why women want our spaces in gyms.

Dude, if you had just gone about your stupid workout and not confronted her, you would have looked like less of a predator.

They really can't help themselves, can they?

where's that thread about men deliberately attempting to elicit a fear response in order to belittle women for being afraid

Men who say shit like this are telling on themselves and it’s in your best interest to listen.