mouthporn.net
#batwoman – @tigstripe on Tumblr
Avatar

The Patron Saint of Toliver

@tigstripe / tigstripe.tumblr.com

34/gay. He/him. Fandom geek, aspiring writer/cartoonist. Arrowverse, Fate/, Star Wars, Mass Effect, Warehouse 13, RWBY, and others. Ao3 handle: TigStripe.
Avatar
reblogged
Avatar
tigstripe

Arrow

Season 1: Oliver killing folks Season 2: Oliver NOT killing folks, also there’s a team now Season 3: Oliver betrays Starling City, but not really Season 4: Magic exists! Also, fuck Guggenheim Season 5: Prometheus is just a better Oliver, but evil Season 6: MCU Civil War, but it makes even LESS sense Season 7A: Oliver’s in Jail Season 7B: Season 2 all over again, but with boobs Season 8: Crisis on Infinite Earths/Oliver’s daughter is important, we swear

The Flash

Season 1: My name is Barry Allen, and I’m the second-fastest man alive Season 2: My name is Barry Allen, and I’m still the second-fastest man alive Season 3: My name is Barry Allen, and I’m technically the fastest man alive  Season 4: The villain’s wife is way more interesting than he is Season 5: Worst. Villain. Ever. Season 6A: Whoops, Crisis! Season 6B: We spent our special effects budget on mirrors, so no speed today

Supergirl

Season 1: Superheroing is hard Season 2: Personal lives are hard Season 3: Emotions are hard Season 4: Being an alien is hard Season 5: Living in reality is hard

Legends of Tomorrow

Season 1: Traditional Arrowverse, but bad Season 2: Correcting our mistakes with meta, destiny-altering artifacts Season 3: We fucked up Season 4: We fucked up harder Season 5: We didn’t fuck up, but we still want to undo things

Black Lightning

Season 1: Traditional Arrowverse, but urban and good Season 2: Making Arrow look like a kid’s show Season 3: Markovia is to blame for everything, all the time

Batwoman

Season 1: Arrow, but gay (but still just as emotionally stunted)

Updated seasons:

Flash Season 7: I love you, you love me, we're a happy family...

Supergirl Season 6: Supergirl Without Supergirl

Legends of Tomorrow Season 6: Oops, All Aliens! Season 7: If we keep fucking up enough, it'll fix itself

Black Lightning Season 4: How not to mourn

Batwoman Season 2: How to Reinvent Your Show 101 Season 3: Gay, gaygaygaygay GAY. Also Batman villains

Superman and Lois Season 1: Superhero family drama done right Season 2: Superhero family drama done in reverse

Stargirl Season 1: Origin Stories, the series Season 2: When you have no idea what you're doing, but it works

Avatar

Preface: These are opinions. I have scenes or episodes in mind to support these statements, but I'm not digging them out. Just reflecting.

Arrow:

- Opinion: Arrow was a good show that had its ups and downs. It was a great initial show for the 'verse and I still wish it was still on.

- Hot Take: The production team's dedication to a relationship was its biggest sin. Not because Stephen and Emily didn't have chemistry, or that the characters didn't work together, but because it became the central cohesive factor of the show, and anyone who fell outside of it (see: Diggle or New Team Arrow) felt benched in comparison. Those characters were interesting. The show became "how do we have this revolve around Oliver and Felicity's relationship?" instead of "what stories can we tell about the team as a whole?"

Flash:

- Opinion: The Flash started strong, if a little "use my homework but make it different" from Arrow, but the show has declined in a way not seen in any other Arrowverse show.

- Hot Take: Stop using "family is good" as a trope. Family can be toxic, and more than once, the experienced superhero has been veto'd by his wife or his team because he should "put family first." This is bullshit, stop doing it, and let Barry be the leader of the team. Let him make decisions. If those decisions have consequences, have him deal with them. Every season feels worse than the last because Barry feels less and less in charge of his own show.

Supergirl:

- Opinion: Supergirl started super strong, but something went very wrong later on and the writers just never found their footing again.

- Hot Take: The writers' decision to keep Lena Luther around after season 3 was what trapped them into terrible plots. They had no idea what to do with her after she served her initial purpose. Same with James. Winn got out in the nick of time. I love Katie and I love Lena, but her storylines were garbage and the writers just kept trying to make her important, which never worked in a way that felt fulfilling. That dedicated focus ruined the chances of other characters getting more, much more needed screen time.

Black Lightning:

- Opinion: Black Lightning was undervalued by the CW and overlooked by Arrowverse fans across the board. It was a great show. I have very few notes.

- Hot Take: This isn't so much a "hot take" as it is just pointing out the obvious: this show failed because of marketing ignoring it. Every chance the CW got to promote its superhero shows, BL was nowhere to be found until its final season. It should have had the same amount of promotion as at least Legends of Tomorrow, if not more. This show was good. The network failed the show this time, not the other way around.

Legends of Tomorrow:

- Opinion: Legends has managed to reinvent itself just enough each season that it keeps the show fresh enough to be interesting, while maintaining that familiar feel from season to season. It's the only Arrowverse show that has maintained a level of consistency for more than two years at a time.

- Hot Take: Stop using romance as a reason to get rid of characters. Ray, Nate, and Mick all left the show over being involved with someone (although Mick's was a bit more complicated). Have characters leave for real reasons. Mona left to become the next ghostwriter for Rebecca Silver. That's cool. The show treats the team like some kind of worst case scenario for its characters - the moment something better comes along, they jump ship. And while we're at it, it's okay not to be in romantic relationships. The Waverider feels like a shack-up ship sometimes.

Batwoman:

- Opinion: Batwoman had a rough start but it has really molded itself into something new and fun.

- Hot Take: I don't really have any hot takes for Batwoman. It's getting more PR than BL ever did and it seems to be thriving. The show is strong for representation of all sorts. If I had a single "hot take," it'd be that I wish we could just shove season 1 under a bed and forget it happened.

Stargirl:

- Opinion: Underrated. Underappreciated. A true powerhouse of a show that probably won't live to see its true destiny because of superhero fatigue and the network doin weird shit.

- Hot Take: Their. Suits. Are. Hideous. Update them. There is zero rule anywhere saying the kids have to use their predecessors' gear. They look like jokes. One look at Beth in the Dr. Mid-Nite gear would scare off any potential new watchers. Stop carrying the show on Courtney's kickass outfit and give the others some decent looks.

(Withholding Superman and Lois stuff until I watch season 2. Haven't touched Naomi yet.)

Avatar

Personally I'm in the group of "not all lesbian characters need to date" so I'll be happy if Sophie and Ryan don't wind up together.

But I also would be happy to see Ryan and Sophie happy together.

So, to me, it's a win-win.

I'm just really praying the pro-relationship fans can be chill. We don't need a new Supercorp fandom.

Avatar
reblogged
Avatar
debbie-f-m

I really want to know the geography of the US in the Arrowverse. Where are all the major cities? Midvale is a 3 hour drive from Metropolis, but we also know that Midvale is a reasonable driving distance from National City since Kara and Alex drive there in season 3 of Supergirl. This means Metropolis and National City can’t be on opposite sides of the country (I thought Metropolis was on the east coast while National City was on the west).

Also, do they even have states? We know Kansas exists at least because that’s where Smallville is, but the license plates for cars only list the city (Midvale, Metropolis, Gotham, etc.). Maybe their license plate system is just different in the Arrowverse.

Anyway I need a map pls and thanks

Avatar
tigstripe

Hoo boy. A can o' worms, this one is.

Thanks to Post-Crisis Flash, we have a physical map of several of the major cities. But that doesn't alleviate your concerns.

For instance, we "know" that Central City is located in Missouri, thanks to Barry's CSI badge when he lost his memory early on in the Flash. We also, thanks to Caitlin/Frost, "know" that CC has a population of over 14 million people (by comparison, New York City has just over 8 million, and we know Missouri has no metropolitan area even close to that). Also, the city is on a lake large enough to center a nuclear bomb without fallout to the city, because Missouri sure doesn't have any great lakes or oceans.

And we "know" it takes about 3 hours to get from Central City to Starling City, according to travel times listed in one of the crossover episodes. Whether that's Barry running for 3 hours, or a high-speed train we have yet to invent, I don't know, but that's absolutely absurd. The only way it's feasible in our world is via plane, and I believe that situation would have been pretty rough to get a commercial flight for - they'd have to go to ARGUS or steal a jet for that.

Meanwhile, in the most recent season of Black Lightning, Jefferson has Barry run him something from Star Labs in a matter of minutes, suggesting Barry can run from Missouri to Georgia in the span of a scene. Likewise, Oliver has called Barry on the phone and had the Flash appear in front of him while still on the phone, but at that point, Barry's top speed was barely twice the speed of sound.

I do suggest looking at Midvale as a real excursion from Central City, though - every episode we've had in Midvale with adult Kara/Alex has been meant for them to get away from things, so it wouldn't be that big of a stretch to just drive for a few days. Cross-country driving from coast to coast is a hassle, though, and time constraints in the plot probably shoot this down (they'd have to have been gone for like two weeks!).

TL;DR: Geography in the Arrowverse is janky as hell as a standard, let alone when you start throwing super speed into the mix. Just go with it, your head will hurt less.

Avatar

Arrow

Season 1: Oliver killing folks Season 2: Oliver NOT killing folks, also there’s a team now Season 3: Oliver betrays Starling City, but not really Season 4: Magic exists! Also, fuck Guggenheim Season 5: Prometheus is just a better Oliver, but evil Season 6: MCU Civil War, but it makes even LESS sense Season 7A: Oliver’s in Jail Season 7B: Season 2 all over again, but with boobs Season 8: Crisis on Infinite Earths/Oliver’s daughter is important, we swear

The Flash

Season 1: My name is Barry Allen, and I’m the second-fastest man alive Season 2: My name is Barry Allen, and I’m still the second-fastest man alive Season 3: My name is Barry Allen, and I’m technically the fastest man alive  Season 4: The villain’s wife is way more interesting than he is Season 5: Worst. Villain. Ever. Season 6A: Whoops, Crisis! Season 6B: We spent our special effects budget on mirrors, so no speed today

Supergirl

Season 1: Superheroing is hard Season 2: Personal lives are hard Season 3: Emotions are hard Season 4: Being an alien is hard Season 5: Living in reality is hard

Legends of Tomorrow

Season 1: Traditional Arrowverse, but bad Season 2: Correcting our mistakes with meta, destiny-altering artifacts Season 3: We fucked up Season 4: We fucked up harder Season 5: We didn’t fuck up, but we still want to undo things

Black Lightning

Season 1: Traditional Arrowverse, but urban and good Season 2: Making Arrow look like a kid’s show Season 3: Markovia is to blame for everything, all the time

Batwoman

Season 1: Arrow, but gay (but still just as emotionally stunted)

Avatar
reblogged
Arrow, Flash, Batwoman and Legends fans: We can't wait for Crisis!
Supergirl and Black Lightning fans: wE cAn'T wAiT FoR cRiSiS! 🖕🖕🖕
Avatar
tigstripe

Okay, but why is this attitude so prevalent this year? What happened? Every show’s fandom seems to be at odds with one another for one reason or another. There is no longer a collective Arrowverse fandom, and I’m just confused as to why.

Legends fans just want Legends back, and are lashing out at the other shows about it. And frankly, they’ve been the most bombastic that I’ve seen in dissing the other shows.

Supergirl’s fandom is imploding due to the Kara/Lena plot. They’re safe to watch from afar, but will lash out when the subject is breached.

Arrow fans are in denial that this is it for them and the resentment towards the shows that are getting full seasons is palpable.

Batwoman only has fans on Youtube, let’s not kid ourselves.

Flash fans are split between the “this is it” mentality that Arrow’s got going on and “we’re the new flagship, bitches,” so they’re either mopey or demeaning.

I feel like Black Lightning fans are the most well-adjusted, because they’re feeling the crossover the least, as per their norm.

Finding a fan that actually enjoys more than one show has felt almost impossible this year. I want the camaraderie back.

Avatar
reblogged

Let’s hope that this crossover won’t turn into the Barry and Oliver show… again

I mean okay I get it Oliver is gonna die and that’s bad but I hate how the crossover only exists for this reason so I hope there’s more to it than just the end of the Arrow and Barry vanishing.

Avatar
tigstripe

My thoughts:

- Five episodes is a long event. I don’t think you have anything to fear about two characters eclipsing all five hours. - Considering the crossover was set up this past year in Gotham, I expect Kate to be a considerable part of the main plot. - With the crossover lasting five episodes, they have a considerable amount of time to give to Kara, Kate, and the Legends. - The split in the crossover’s timing (we know that Legends is sacrificing an episode to the event, and that season doesn’t even start until 2020) means there could be a huge cliffhanger in the middle of it - potentially Oliver leaving the plot, which would allow the episodes post-hiatus to focus on other characters. - I’m still not convinced Oliver’s going to die. Teleported to another reality? Sure. They’ve just telegraphed it way too obviously for it to be so simple as “he dies.” - Even if people want more than Oliver and Barry being bros in the crossover, which I understand, their interactions have been the foundation of the crossover spirit in these shows, and this will be their final one. There will be some focus on the two of them, and the amount of whining over it is going to irritate me. - I like The Barry and Oliver Show. I’d watch a series of that.

Avatar

The DCW starts up next week

I’m excited for:

- Oliver beat downs in prison

- Flash Family Shenanigans

- Felicity with pink hair

- Ray and Nate’s Brohugs

- “Director” Danvers

- Sara on a Unicorn (if this doesn’t happen, I’m suing the writers)

- The new Flash suit

- Jennifer asking for a super suit

- Batwoman

- The Return of Killer Frost

- Team Arrow 2.0 growing into real characters

- Bisexual Warlocks

- Tobias Whale getting punched in the face

- The fallout from Captain Lance

- The new Harrison Wells

- Potential of Stein making an appearance

- Roy Harper

- Gary

- Sassy Cisco

- New costumes for the crossover event

- Pretty much everything, honestly.

You are using an unsupported browser and things might not work as intended. Please make sure you're using the latest version of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, or Edge.
mouthporn.net