On the topic of Vermillion theories, we talked a bit about the Vermillion eye markings with Koneko ( @koneko-pi​) yesterday.

So, we have the Fire Vermillions (with markings) and the Flower Vermillions (no markings). Papa Fire Vermillion and Papa Flower Vermillion were brothers 

Which means that either the markings are not of Vermillion origins since the last name comes from the father’s side in both families, but instead come from Mama Fire Vermillion who married into the family, or… OR then the markings are passed down from the father in some strange manner. I was thinking that it could be an “eldest son” -thing (why? I’m just going to say magic which would be, and I do agree with you on this, in this instance, dumb.) So that said markings are passed on through the paternal lineage from the eldest son onto his children. 

This I got from the idea that the eldest sons of the Vermillion Houses already have their earrings going on for them, so it could symbolize something. And serves a fun headcanon of the markings simply skipping generation in the Flower Vermillion family tree and be inherited by Kirsch’s kids, because genetics are weird. (Is it unlikely for this to be a thing? Yes. Very much so. But is it entertaining? A bit amusing at least.) 

However, long story short: I propose that the eye markings actually come from Mama Fire Vermillion. 

How big is Salamander?

So, instead of writing, I tried to figure out how big Salamander actually is. Why? It was asked, as simple as that.

At first I would have estimated him to be 15m from snout to tail. I felt it to be accurate enough because he is able to carry a grown man on his back, but after a little investigation, I found out that I grossly overestimated it.

I used an image measuring tool and used Fue’s size as reference (yes, I know he’s 188cm tall, but the image doesn’t cover his entire height, so I had to estimate). And the results are below:

And as you can see, Salamander’s neck is about 206,6 cm (that’s about 6,76ft)

If we use the 4e Draconomicon values as reference that would make Salamander a medium sized dragon

And if we use the wingspan (for which one also needs to make estimates); one wing would be at least about 378cm (12,4ft), making the wingspan (including the width of its back) around 8m (26,2ft).

So it might very well be that Sal is only 5,5 m long from snout to tail (18ft), but since he had very different proportions right after Fue woke from his coma (the tail does seem rather long, doesn’t it), it’s possible that he’s longer than that. So, maybe 10m max. But as said, it’s a lot of guess-work because there’s no good reference image in proportion.

But, in conclusion, I’d say that Sal is at least 5,5m long, with a wingspan of 8m, and weight (if we go by the 4e values) 160kg.

And since it seems that the spirits do exist in a more or less physical form at all times, this would mean that Sal would need a room of his own, in which it could build a nest. If it wants.

Edit: I got caught up with the math, and I was reminded that Sal is able to change its size, so… he doesn’t need a room for himself it seems. But for the, apparently largest size, I suppose the math still stands. Make what you will of it

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Magic attribute categorisation

As much as I find the wide variety of magic attributes on the world of Black Clover to be interesting and full of potential, I feel like it’s being kneecapped to some extent by Tabata’s minimal lore and in some cases lack of more detailed explanations. I could sit here all day discussing it, but the one thing I did want to focus on is the categories of attributes as we know it. We’ve only been introduced to categories of ‘elemental’ attributes and told briefly that other types of magic can be derived/evolve from those. But the longer I sat down to think about it, the more I realised that there’s still far too many attributes that are in no way even closely related to anything remotely elemental and should be in a category of their own.

This realisation was then followed by a kindergarten level mental exercise of being given cards with many different things and told to put them in groups based on similarities. This has led to the following extended attribute categorisation. I did put a few examples for each of the categories to help better illustrate my point, but I didn’t see the need to try and include every attribute we were ever shown.

Here's the list of categories:

Natural attributes - All the basic ‘elemental’ attributes fall into this category, as well as some other types of magic that relate to the natural phenomena.

Examples:

Material/Man-made attributes - These attributes may have initially evolved from natural attributes, but they are characterised by appearing as/being based on man-made objects, often allowing for more ‘complex’ spells. 

Examples:

Physical attributes - This category covers all attributes that are derived from the laws of physics and affect the very foundation of how the world works.

Examples:

Performative attributes - Unlike other types of magic, these aren’t based around a ‘thing’ or a physical force that can be manipulated, but rather an ‘action’ that needs to be performed.

Examples:

Conceptual attributes - These attributes are unique in that they aren’t based on physical/tangible elements and are often derived from more complex, man-made ideas. They exist because the very concept of them exists within mass consciousness. 

Examples:

All of this is just my ideas based on categories that make sense to me. If you don't agree with them that's fine, if you want to use the ideas of these categories in your own stuff that's fine too.

The only problem I can see with the way you're categorising magic, is the fact that you're not taking into account that a lot of the magic we see that can't be traced back to one of the four base elements isn't actually Human magic and, seeing as the story is being told from the perspective of the Humans (and we've seen them twist history before with the Elves) that it's only the origin of their magic that we're given in-text. While it's never explicitly stated, it's very heavily implied that Witches and Humans are two different races and Elves, Dwarves and Devils are all canonically different to humans, so it stands to reason that their magic elvolves from a different place.

(Also, Curse magic seems to be a type of magic that can be used like Healing magic rather than a magical attribute in of itself for most people, as we see Sekke using it back after the Magic Knights Entrance Exam)

But that still does leave people like Rill and Nero/Secre up in the air.

This was my attempt to try and categorise/map the different human magics and where they come from, though it is a couple of years old at this point and I borrowed magic types from a couple of people's ocs to fill it out. (I still have no idea what's going on with Body magic)

On the topic of Vermillion theories, we talked a bit about the Vermillion eye markings with Koneko ( @koneko-pi​) yesterday.

So, we have the Fire Vermillions (with markings) and the Flower Vermillions (no markings). Papa Fire Vermillion and Papa Flower Vermillion were brothers 

Which means that either the markings are not of Vermillion origins since the last name comes from the father’s side in both families, but instead come from Mama Fire Vermillion who married into the family, or… OR then the markings are passed down from the father in some strange manner. I was thinking that it could be an “eldest son” -thing (why? I’m just going to say magic which would be, and I do agree with you on this, in this instance, dumb.) So that said markings are passed on through the paternal lineage from the eldest son onto his children. 

This I got from the idea that the eldest sons of the Vermillion Houses already have their earrings going on for them, so it could symbolize something. And serves a fun headcanon of the markings simply skipping generation in the Flower Vermillion family tree and be inherited by Kirsch’s kids, because genetics are weird. (Is it unlikely for this to be a thing? Yes. Very much so. But is it entertaining? A bit amusing at least.) 

However, long story short: I propose that the eye markings actually come from Mama Fire Vermillion. 

Maternal inheritance for the eyeliner!

Quick Question for the Black Clover Fandom

No, you don't get any other options. You pick one or the other.

I vote memory magic but only because I think it sounds cooler XD

Honestly, when you are looking at the facts communication magic would make more sense.

Because he mainly uses his magic to communicate with others over a long distance. And displaying someone else’s memory could also be seen as some weird form of communication.

Also the only time it’s explicitly stated that a spell of him can alter or influence someone’s memory is when he was possessed by that elf.

So overall it’s more likely that he has communication magic but can also use memory magic in an advanced form.

But

I have another theory as well:

Since we don’t know anything about his parents what if one parent has solely communication magic and the other solely memory magic and that is why Marx can use both.

He inherited both of his parents magic which caused a new kind of magic to be formed that is a mix of both communication and memory.

So my theory is that the communication magic can only be used to communicate over long distances and memory magic can only be used to change or influence someone’s memories.

But because Marx inherited both he now can do all those things (some more some less depending on what he is training more) and also use the two magic types in combination by example displaying someone else’s memory.

Not sure if this even makes sense but this is my take on it.

Technically you could also count memory as a kind communication method, since Marx has been show to be able to showcase people's memories, so what of he can access them as a form of communication.

Communication on another level of the psyche, if that makes sense. Kinda like Gordon with his Poison magic being able to turn into Medicine.

It could also be that Marx is just versatile with his magic 🤔

I just had a conversation with a friend of mine, who isn’t in the fandom per se, but has seen BC, and showed me a pic of hubby, and mentioned about his eyeliner and bsjdhfgsfdfasda. 

An-nyway… Have me rambling about it. I don’t have anything actual to say, but I shall ramble: 

So. About the Vermillion eyeliner. I do very much believe that it is not make up. It is not something they have to apply every day, but rather is something that exists/occurs naturally. And if we think about having similar markings, they don’t seem quite so uncommon. 

Perhaps the most commonly occurring representation was during the elf arc, where everyone who became possessed by an elf soul, had those red markings on them. Which… was an expression of the spell, supposedly, and can be dismissed as just that.

But. Then we have the Witch Queen, with her tear drop markings as well, which… haven’t really been discussed. Another example could be Julius with his star, even if he has acquired it later in life; granted that we don’t know if the Witch Queen acquired hers later in life, or if she’s had them since birth. My point is: having colorful markings on your skin, specifically your face, isn’t that uncommon in BC. 

Also, it wouldn’t be downright uncalled for to claim that they are an expression of some kind of magic. Or a magical quality perhaps. With the elves (or their souls) it was a temporary expression of mana that faded as quickly as the reincarnation spell was undone, but I think it was more so… a side effect. For Julius (you Julius simps perhaps are better at reminding what the star means, and why it is there) I suppose it signifies a kind of… maturing/growing of his mana and abilities, so perhaps it’s an indication of very prominent and/or powerful (perhaps hidden) mana. Again, so very little is known about the Witch Queen, but she is cryptic to say the least. Perhaps whatever magic is affecting her, and bringing forth those tear drop markings, is the reason why she has as long of a lifespan as she does. Or maybe it’s something else. But there definitely is more to her than meets the eye. (Plus I’m still very much supporting the theory of Witch Queen Vermillion.)

So, so, the end of this ramble is that, what I believe, is that those red, eyeliner markings are a hint; an indication of some hidden magic/ability that is yet to be uncovered. 

Lucius' Strategy

So, last week's chapter, chapter 354, got us Lucius turning up again, the reveal that he's brought back Morgen and Acier to turn them into Paladins- and Jack getting a hole in his chest. This week's chapter has confirmed that Jack's dead, or at least dying, and with Lucius focusing on Yuno, I was left wondering why, out of the five grand magic knights on that roof, did Lucius use his one chance at an attack none of them would see coming to kill Jack, of all people? So, I wanted to do a bit of a dive into what (I think) Lucius' strategy is.

Theory’s & hopes after reading Black Clover chapter 354

Obviously manga spoilers for chapter 354 below the cut:

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I am in shambles oh my god Tabs what?!

also Tabs please where are Marx and Leo?! I need to know

No, but the question of where is Marx is very important imo. Like the man with Memory Magic who spent so much time along side Julius has just vanished into thin air all of a sudden.

What exactly is going on, I have no clue, but there is something about it

What if Lucius' bringing people back from the dead thing works like Edo Tensei in Naruto and he needs a sacrifice to do it

I mean, he's already shown to be... consuming (?), in lack of a better word, his siblings and harnessing their powers for his own use. I say consuming because they did not look... healthy, or like they'd come out without a scratch. But those were about creating physical bodies, not really about souls per se. Though given Lucius' magic does enable him to do something with/about souls, it's not really clear if there's something needed for the fetching of the soul. Like quid pro quo type of a deal would be possible, but then not just use anyone. Why Marx would have to be specified? Especially when there's easier targets around.

I'm more so thinking about Lucius needing Marx to control the paladins/people he rises from the dead, so that their memories can be altered. So, essentially controlling Marx to control paladins

I don’t quite think Lucius needs Marx to control the paladins. He was on his own when he turned Sister Lily. So unless he turned Marx to his side off camera, I’m presuming control of the Paladins’ minds is his doing alone.

Marx's magic can affect from a distance though? Like it's been only shown to create a kind of "video call" so far, but my point is that Marx doesn't necessarily need to be physically close to a person while communicating with them/to them, which could, with a slight stretch, still allow for a level of mind control happen.

Like the fault in my argument, and one that I can't answer, is what Lucius is using to control Marx. Because there's a loop in the argument. "If Lucius needs Marx to alter memories in order to control, then what is allowing him to control the controlling agent". That being said, I don't think Marx is one of the bad guys.

Actually, it's much more likely that he's... let's say on the down low and for example with the WQ atm, because she knows a lot of what's up

Crack theory of the day:

Yami is actually Hino royalty

Wo know if he is the son of a Samurai wo is really big

This is my theroy ore he is the son of a general and they live on the beach and Yami toush they are a fisher family what they are and Yami bring mony at home as a fisher and the Vater is absent and do samurai stuff ore so

The thing about Yami that the lovely @wildflowerwoodsworld​ keeps reminding me about, is that we only have Yami’s word of his past. Prior to Clover at least. And if we go back to the story in Chapter... 47-48 is that Yami is telling Patri “a story”, about a boy who’s parents were fishers, and how that boy then washed up to Clover. 

I have a hazy recollection that he told Asta later on that “the boy was me”, but I cannot find the panel (at least with a quick look through), but it could easily have been anime only too. Meaning that it could be a story, with a hint of truth; not the full truth. Especially in the context of Yami, being face to face with an enemy and having lived his life as an outcast in Clover. 

However, the idea came from playing around with the idea that recently we had a “change” to a shown backstory. I’m referring to Lucius essentially retelling Julius’ whole monologue of “when I received my grimoire, I knew that I was very special” into “when we ...”. So, this would not be the first time where we assume to know of someone’s backstory, only to find that it’s been a partial truth at best. 

Also, Yami tells Asta about a saying in his home country “a warrior never goes back on his words” (or along those lines), which could be just a saying, or it could be a kind of a mantra. 

And, Yami is able to keep up with Royalty! In terms of mana and capabilities relatively easily (so is Jack, but we only know about his dad, meaning that there can be more to him too). Unless Hino has a completely different kind of ranking system, other than mana, then there is little reason for Yami, as a commoner/peasant, to have as much mana as he does. 

The thing also is, that Yami’s memories can be affected. We do have a mage with memory magic, and amnesia is also a possibility. The whole idea of Yami surviving who knows how many hundreds upon hundreds of miles on a small fishing boat, and washing alive to Clover is a miracle (if there was nothing more to it). The idea of Yami being shipped there for a reason is loose, but still a possibility. And if we entertain the idea of it being intentional, then also the idea of his memories being intentionally altered to protect him, and the whole plan, wouldn’t be uncalled for. Of course, this is... purely hypothetical and loose, which is why I call it a “crack theory”. 

But also the idea of Yami being nobility (or alike) and just sneaking off with the son of a General/Shogun to fish instead of attending their duties is hilarious imo

Anime rather than manga, but this is the chart we get when Yami’s explaining power levels. I wish we’d got Charlotte on this chart as well as Charla to really show how much of a boost elf magic gives, but Yami is quite clearly near the top of the chart and almost immediately below the only royal we see.

As for Yami’s history, these are the shots we get in the manga (volume 6, chapter 47)

Which resemble Patri’s retelling of the elves tradgedy (which I will remind you was not the whole truth) (also volume 6, chaper 47)

Than it does Gauche’s flashback in the same volume (volume 6, chapter 45)

(Screenshots taken from here and here bc I cba taking pictures of the actual manga)

The chart is pretty much the same as in the manga 

Though Nozel is positioned slightly higher in that one. But I’m wondering how to read that. Because.. if  we go by having to reach a line (looking from down) in order to qualify for a category, then Magna would be a peasant, and Nozel would be “royalty” only in the manga chart. (And even then only barely). Not that it matters that much, but Yami definitely should be more than “a son of a fisherman”. (Unless they have buff fishermen). 

Okay, but the recent chapters give more weight to this theory. After all, we've met Yami Ichika now and her power level appears to be of the ridiculous variety. Like, she is straight up kicking the shit out of Asta (who was key in defeating Lucifero, you know, one of the strongest devils in the underworld) without even breaking a sweat.

There is a decent chance that she's the strongest of the Ryuzen Seven, though this is based purely on the fact that Gadjah is the strongest Spirit Guardian and he's the one we meet first, just like Ichika is the first member of the Ryuzen Seven that we've met, so it's entirely possible that the opposite is true and that she's the weakest. Either way, we've seen Ichika's strength (or some of it at least, because while she said she was going all out against Asta, we didn't really see her use any magic, just ki) and it's ridiculous.

One child getting a lot of power could just be a quirk in genetics. Two kids from the same family both being ridiculously strong implies that their parents have a high level of power. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the position of shogun is hereditary (provided you didn't overthrow your predecessor) so for Yami to be childhood friends with him implies that the family has a pretty high status.

And, I'll one again remind you that we have Yami's word, and Yami's word alone, as to how he ended up in Clover. Ryuu tells us Yami was thirteen when he left, but he never mentions how.

And, to me the fact that Ryu has been watching the events of Clover implies more intention than Ryu just starting to scower the world for a chance to find out what happened to his friend. Though we don't know how exactly Ryu's eye functions.

But still. There is implied to be more intent than "whoops I got caught in a storm"

I mean, if I was in charge of a country and I could see what was going on elsewhere in the world, I'd be using that power to watch my (potential) enemies closely so that if they did try something I wasn't caught off guard. If that's the case then figuring out what happened to Yami is probably a bonus.

Also, the idea of Ryuu tuning in to see what Yami is up to with the Bulls gives me the vibe of someone trying to find out what they missed in their favourite show

Ryuya doesn't need a TV. He can just tune in to the latest episode of Yami & Co. (who still haven't thrown a moth at him, and it frustrates Ryu to no end)

Crack theory of the day:

Yami is actually Hino royalty

Wo know if he is the son of a Samurai wo is really big

This is my theroy ore he is the son of a general and they live on the beach and Yami toush they are a fisher family what they are and Yami bring mony at home as a fisher and the Vater is absent and do samurai stuff ore so

The thing about Yami that the lovely @wildflowerwoodsworld​ keeps reminding me about, is that we only have Yami’s word of his past. Prior to Clover at least. And if we go back to the story in Chapter... 47-48 is that Yami is telling Patri “a story”, about a boy who’s parents were fishers, and how that boy then washed up to Clover. 

I have a hazy recollection that he told Asta later on that “the boy was me”, but I cannot find the panel (at least with a quick look through), but it could easily have been anime only too. Meaning that it could be a story, with a hint of truth; not the full truth. Especially in the context of Yami, being face to face with an enemy and having lived his life as an outcast in Clover. 

However, the idea came from playing around with the idea that recently we had a “change” to a shown backstory. I’m referring to Lucius essentially retelling Julius’ whole monologue of “when I received my grimoire, I knew that I was very special” into “when we ...”. So, this would not be the first time where we assume to know of someone’s backstory, only to find that it’s been a partial truth at best. 

Also, Yami tells Asta about a saying in his home country “a warrior never goes back on his words” (or along those lines), which could be just a saying, or it could be a kind of a mantra. 

And, Yami is able to keep up with Royalty! In terms of mana and capabilities relatively easily (so is Jack, but we only know about his dad, meaning that there can be more to him too). Unless Hino has a completely different kind of ranking system, other than mana, then there is little reason for Yami, as a commoner/peasant, to have as much mana as he does. 

The thing also is, that Yami’s memories can be affected. We do have a mage with memory magic, and amnesia is also a possibility. The whole idea of Yami surviving who knows how many hundreds upon hundreds of miles on a small fishing boat, and washing alive to Clover is a miracle (if there was nothing more to it). The idea of Yami being shipped there for a reason is loose, but still a possibility. And if we entertain the idea of it being intentional, then also the idea of his memories being intentionally altered to protect him, and the whole plan, wouldn’t be uncalled for. Of course, this is... purely hypothetical and loose, which is why I call it a “crack theory”. 

But also the idea of Yami being nobility (or alike) and just sneaking off with the son of a General/Shogun to fish instead of attending their duties is hilarious imo

Anime rather than manga, but this is the chart we get when Yami’s explaining power levels. I wish we’d got Charlotte on this chart as well as Charla to really show how much of a boost elf magic gives, but Yami is quite clearly near the top of the chart and almost immediately below the only royal we see.

As for Yami’s history, these are the shots we get in the manga (volume 6, chapter 47)

Which resemble Patri’s retelling of the elves tradgedy (which I will remind you was not the whole truth) (also volume 6, chaper 47)

Than it does Gauche’s flashback in the same volume (volume 6, chapter 45)

(Screenshots taken from here and here bc I cba taking pictures of the actual manga)

The chart is pretty much the same as in the manga 

Though Nozel is positioned slightly higher in that one. But I’m wondering how to read that. Because.. if  we go by having to reach a line (looking from down) in order to qualify for a category, then Magna would be a peasant, and Nozel would be “royalty” only in the manga chart. (And even then only barely). Not that it matters that much, but Yami definitely should be more than “a son of a fisherman”. (Unless they have buff fishermen). 

Crack theory of the day:

Yami is actually Hino royalty

Wo know if he is the son of a Samurai wo is really big

This is my theroy ore he is the son of a general and they live on the beach and Yami toush they are a fisher family what they are and Yami bring mony at home as a fisher and the Vater is absent and do samurai stuff ore so

The thing about Yami that the lovely @wildflowerwoodsworld​ keeps reminding me about, is that we only have Yami’s word of his past. Prior to Clover at least. And if we go back to the story in Chapter... 47-48 is that Yami is telling Patri “a story”, about a boy who’s parents were fishers, and how that boy then washed up to Clover. 

I have a hazy recollection that he told Asta later on that “the boy was me”, but I cannot find the panel (at least with a quick look through), but it could easily have been anime only too. Meaning that it could be a story, with a hint of truth; not the full truth. Especially in the context of Yami, being face to face with an enemy and having lived his life as an outcast in Clover. 

However, the idea came from playing around with the idea that recently we had a “change” to a shown backstory. I’m referring to Lucius essentially retelling Julius’ whole monologue of “when I received my grimoire, I knew that I was very special” into “when we ...”. So, this would not be the first time where we assume to know of someone’s backstory, only to find that it’s been a partial truth at best. 

Also, Yami tells Asta about a saying in his home country “a warrior never goes back on his words” (or along those lines), which could be just a saying, or it could be a kind of a mantra. 

And, Yami is able to keep up with Royalty! In terms of mana and capabilities relatively easily (so is Jack, but we only know about his dad, meaning that there can be more to him too). Unless Hino has a completely different kind of ranking system, other than mana, then there is little reason for Yami, as a commoner/peasant, to have as much mana as he does. 

The thing also is, that Yami’s memories can be affected. We do have a mage with memory magic, and amnesia is also a possibility. The whole idea of Yami surviving who knows how many hundreds upon hundreds of miles on a small fishing boat, and washing alive to Clover is a miracle (if there was nothing more to it). The idea of Yami being shipped there for a reason is loose, but still a possibility. And if we entertain the idea of it being intentional, then also the idea of his memories being intentionally altered to protect him, and the whole plan, wouldn’t be uncalled for. Of course, this is... purely hypothetical and loose, which is why I call it a “crack theory”. 

But also the idea of Yami being nobility (or alike) and just sneaking off with the son of a General/Shogun to fish instead of attending their duties is hilarious imo

Anime rather than manga, but this is the chart we get when Yami’s explaining power levels. I wish we’d got Charlotte on this chart as well as Charla to really show how much of a boost elf magic gives, but Yami is quite clearly near the top of the chart and almost immediately below the only royal we see.

As for Yami’s history, these are the shots we get in the manga (volume 6, chapter 47)

Which resemble Patri’s retelling of the elves tradgedy (which I will remind you was not the whole truth) (also volume 6, chaper 47)

Than it does Gauche’s flashback in the same volume (volume 6, chapter 45)

(Screenshots taken from here and here bc I cba taking pictures of the actual manga)

The chart is pretty much the same as in the manga 

Though Nozel is positioned slightly higher in that one. But I’m wondering how to read that. Because.. if  we go by having to reach a line (looking from down) in order to qualify for a category, then Magna would be a peasant, and Nozel would be “royalty” only in the manga chart. (And even then only barely). Not that it matters that much, but Yami definitely should be more than “a son of a fisherman”. (Unless they have buff fishermen). 

How big is Salamander?

So, instead of writing, I tried to figure out how big Salamander actually is. Why? It was asked, as simple as that.

At first I would have estimated him to be 15m from snout to tail. I felt it to be accurate enough because he is able to carry a grown man on his back, but after a little investigation, I found out that I grossly overestimated it.

I used an image measuring tool and used Fue’s size as reference (yes, I know he’s 188cm tall, but the image doesn’t cover his entire height, so I had to estimate). And the results are below:

And as you can see, Salamander’s neck is about 206,6 cm (that’s about 6,76ft)

If we use the 4e Draconomicon values as reference that would make Salamander a medium sized dragon

And if we use the wingspan (for which one also needs to make estimates); one wing would be at least about 378cm (12,4ft), making the wingspan (including the width of its back) around 8m (26,2ft).

So it might very well be that Sal is only 5,5 m long from snout to tail (18ft), but since he had very different proportions right after Fue woke from his coma (the tail does seem rather long, doesn’t it), it’s possible that he’s longer than that. So, maybe 10m max. But as said, it’s a lot of guess-work because there’s no good reference image in proportion.

But, in conclusion, I’d say that Sal is at least 5,5m long, with a wingspan of 8m, and weight (if we go by the 4e values) 160kg.

And since it seems that the spirits do exist in a more or less physical form at all times, this would mean that Sal would need a room of his own, in which it could build a nest. If it wants.

Edit: I got caught up with the math, and I was reminded that Sal is able to change its size, so… he doesn’t need a room for himself it seems. But for the, apparently largest size, I suppose the math still stands. Make what you will of it

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk

I have defenestrated the Witch Queen Vermillion theory, and instead I present to you:

The 4th Zogratis isn't actually a sibling. Instead Julius/Lucius is Father Zogratis and has divorced from the Witch Queen who is Mama Zogratis, and her 3 tear drop markings under her eyes represent her kids.

More at 2

Contains pictures of leaks under the cut

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