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notice how when couples dress up as the bear for halloween it’s always carmy and syd, not carmy and claire? interesting
example of claire costumes:
- a doctor
- girl next door vibes
- stalker
- whatever outfit you want, just stick on a sign that says “desperate”
A few thoughts because putting this all together makes me think:
-Syd's not jealous at all; she just knows Carmy's actions say differently ever since they first met. Why would he be seeing this girl Claire and keep it from Sydney?
Carmy introduced Claire as a friend, but Sydney still refers to her as Carmy's girlfriend. Sydney doesn't like that Carmy only calls Claire a friend. Sydney may think that because Claire and Carmy spend a lot of time together. Because he's focusing on her it must be exclusive.
The 2x08 argument is hilarious, a business partner ignoring the rest of the argument and cutting to "she's not my girlfriend." Why is that your "mentee's" business?
Carmy is stringing Claire along through Sydney's eyes. This is one of the things he needs to decide and put a label on it for the sake of their relationship. Carmy tells Sydney personally that he doesn't want to be shitty- this is directed at Sydney and I think she's aware of it but she makes it simple. Just don't be shitty and if and when Carmy is shitty, she will hold him accountable. unlike people who tell Carmy never to apologize.
Translation of the table acene: Sydney, I understand now that I should be spending time with you and only you. I should make sure youre not alone and listen to all your fears and reassure you when you have doubts. Claire is great and all, but in the end I need you and you need me.
Now, watching the scene at the table, did Carmy and Sydney both know that he would have to end things with Claire now that he had told her she has his full focus?
If this is the case- Carmy caring about what others think (Richie), he failed the test of choosing Sydney above all else. Carmy wants to see Claire ethoughts. That night, meaning later on they can talk (where he can end it) and Sydney knows it isn't the right time to see Claire but he goes anyway and leaves Sydney alone. Breaking the promise and thus season 3 carmy comes out. All because he felt he failed Sydney.
Now watching season 3: Carmy wants to call Claire, But he avoids it only because Sydney never mentioned he should call Claire. Actually he was even going to argue with Sydney if she meant claire. He asked her do you even think she wants to talk me right now? Because he would have to talk the inevitable- that he does not love claire.
He also has to address that moment in that freezer was possibly about Sydney.
Sidebar about the break up with claire and carmy: Maybe that whole sentence about being a psycho and not providing joy and amusement had to do with not providing a relationship- joy- amusement for Sydney and that being a waste time because he left her alone. He failed her after all. The only way he can provide something close to joy for Sydney is to be like Chef david.
That's all I have for now, but this is a mess! If this made you think of something different, reblog or reply. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
What he remembers of Claire is primarily physical and sad memories. One memory that shows the burning pot (associated with the scar on his hand?)- Christmas Dinner- Claire talking in amusement, but he can't remember what she was saying. He remembers her story about the scar and not feeling the pain yet- but even that memory gets into the physicality of the relationship. Was it memories of longing for her since she supposedly brought him much joy? Does he miss them being physically intimate with each other? I thought so, but then this memory triggers a panic attack:
The memory of Claire being on top and Carmy getting a clear look at his girlfriend keeps him up at night.
I'll repeat Molly's quote: True Intimacy for Carmy is just staring at another woman.
Another woman- Carmy getting a good look at her—one when he first laid eyes on her and the second watching Sydney walk back into his lie—those memories bring a sense of calm.
So Claire, is the peace? Claire's memory- perhaps to punish himself for how much time he spent with Claire?
Actually, ep 3x04 was the first time I realized that Carmy was thinking about Sydney when he was with Claire.
The day takes place on Wednesday, July 19, 2023.
And then we see Carmy and her friend who is a girl
And when he said his least favorite day is Sunday because the restaurant is closed, I thought, oh he's thinking about Sydney, (as a personal joke), but then Claire says that Carmy's heart beats fast… So I thought he was actually thinking about Sydney...
Let me explain, I've always thought that Carmy saw Sydney when they handed over the hamachi. The reasons are:
Now, why do I think he thought of Sydney in the 3x04 flashback?
(If Carmy saw Sydney he might not be sure it's her, because her hair was different, but the doubt is already in his head.)
Even in the present it's a flashback that probably has Carmy's heart beating fast and keeps him stressed.
It's like the entire conversation leads to Sydney… kind of funny considering that later in the ep Carmy "accidentally" cuts off when Sydney and Marcus are talking.
Also in 3x01 before he apologizes to Sydney when he has the flashback to Claire, he has the quick flashback from 3x04 when he says goodbye to her.
It's a flashback that was already tormenting Carmy, even before the situation with Claire came to an end.
And he remembers it again in 3x09 during the service at the beginning of the ep, the memory continues to torment him. (He says, if I remember correctly, "I'm tired of this" shortly after remembering)
I don't know, just… it was very direct the way the conversation made me think of Sydney.
I see how you're connecting this- the day Wednesday is another way they're connected!
They met on Officially on July 13th, 2022 (there was a time line mistakeshowing 2021 but based on the rest of the details- it's supposed to be 2022.
They met on a Wednesday.
What he remembers of Claire is primarily physical and sad memories. One memory that shows the burning pot (associated with the scar on his hand?)- Christmas Dinner- Claire talking in amusement, but he can't remember what she was saying. He remembers her story about the scar and not feeling the pain yet- but even that memory gets into the physicality of the relationship. Was it memories of longing for her since she supposedly brought him much joy? Does he miss them being physically intimate with each other? I thought so, but then this memory triggers a panic attack:
The memory of Claire being on top and Carmy getting a clear look at his girlfriend keeps him up at night.
I'll repeat Molly's quote: True Intimacy for Carmy is just staring at another woman.
Another woman- Carmy getting a good look at her—one when he first laid eyes on her and the second watching Sydney walk back into his lie—those memories bring a sense of calm.
So Claire, is the peace? Claire's memory- perhaps to punish himself for how much time he spent with Claire?
The Bear “Pop” episode (S2x05) and the use of signs.
I noticed a few things upon re-watching the show for the umpteenth time. I never liked episode 5 because it was so Claire-centric and seemed very bleh but because I was still trying to be objective about it, I tried to watch it again and I couldn’t escape the way danger signs were grabbing me throughout the episode.
Why are you speaking my language because I fully believe the bear drips magical realism.
Claire is seen this season caring for young boys. She takes care of and successfully distracts a young boy to take a shot and putting a bone back in its place.
The scene where she fixes a bone - seems familiar? It's connected to the story in 2x02, Pasta, where Claire describes wanting to understand a young girl's injuries from a broken arm. She never said she was interested in fixing it, rather she wanted to understand it. Carmy's question about whether she wanted to fix it was projecting, hoping she could heal his childhood wounds.
If only Donna were as gentle and happy as Claire, who imagines fixing kids' injuries, maybe he'd be different. Maybe he could enjoy life more and be happier if he were taken care of.
From the beginning, Claire disarms carmy when he sees her smile. Something Donna barely did.
And she's known as Disarming Carmy in a few articles. I think the song "Disarm" from season 3 relates to Claire in the sense that her own happy disposition disarmed Carmy's wounded inner child, and it's what he hopes Donna could be.
It's carmy hoping Claire heals his inner child the whole time. It's a song that has to do with our inner children wounded and attempting to find healing.
The relationship was never going to work because Carmy is stuck in the hope that he could have had a different childhood and that he could fix it in the present.
What solidifies this is Fak sharing stories of Carmy never being happy because of Donna and losing his childhood. Fake hopes in some way Claire could heal Carmy.
Claire, after giving it some thought or at least considering it, closes the book and informs the Faks that it's finished. There's a part of Claire that also wants to help heal Carmy's inner child wounds, but ultimately, he has to fix himself.
No woman could be his mother or babysitter.
Makes these two scenes all the more significant:
Take note of the two scenes where Chef Terry and Sydney are wearing scarves with lines. Even though Sydney calms Carmy, she firmly tells Carmy that she's not there to fix whatever inner damage he has. She is a peaceful figure in his life, but she's not the babysitter and calming influence Chef Terry was for Carmy. Sydney has her own problems and journey that Carmy has to understand and assist with as the series progresses.
There is something about the influence of women in Carmy's life and the connections he must make to grow. However, there's a line between using these women as a stepping stone towards growth and using these women as his source of inspiration. He has to heal his inner child to become the man he wants to be without relying on the women to babysit or care for him unequally.
"You gotta figure that parent shit out first"
-Joanna Calo
An excerpt from Man & His Symbols audiobook by Carl G Jung on the negative aspect of the Anima in the male psyche.
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After doing research and documenting it on Twitter, I decided to transfer it all here. We’re going to be talking about (2x02)’s script.
what the heck on the shadowb*****! I'll tag you on something I thought you might like but you probably didn't see a week or so back.
Weeeeelp, I'd say that tidbit about Carmy thinking Claire was his mom(!) at first glance, is a pretty big clue honestly!
@thoughtfulchaos773 told me about it yesterday and I'm still startled honestly. We were all right. I feel so vindicated that the far more subtle clues they worked into the aired show, still led us to this connection between Claire and Donna.
Like all the details you linked ARE ominous, just on their face. But then add in the way they frame her scenes with Carm this season especially, like the blue black soaked scene you show.
“Scientists learned to grow Penicillium mold in deep fermentation tanks by adding a kind of sugar and other ingredients. This process increased the growth of Penicillin.”
This reminds me of the paradigm shift.
Scientists return to routine. Revolution becomes invisible.
Is this alluding to the writers being the scientists? Claire is the mold and they add Natalie (sugar) and other ingredients (Sydney, the Berzattos, etc.) kinda like your metas @whenmemorydies !!
Mocktail Is A Dirty Word has a sugar rush reference as well!
(My mind won’t shut down 😵💫)
Tagging if anyone is interested!!
Not sure if someone already mentioned this but:
Jimmy: And, um, actually about how they’re all born from people of the U of Chicago, right here in Illinois, you know? Crazy fucking shit, let me tell you.
Like carbon dating. You know what that is?
Carmy: I don’t think so.
Jimmy: So when anything is alive…anything, like plants, animals, human beings, whatever, we absorb carbon 14 atoms into our tissue, all right?So then when we die, those atoms start to get released back out in the atmosphere. This one motherfucker, right? He figures out how to measure how long something’s been dead by counting the remaining carbon 14 atoms.Who the fuck thinks of that, right?
I don't know why I thought to combine this, but Instructions on carbon dating—used to determine the age of a once-living organism—can be compromised by mold, which may skew the results to make the organism appear younger than it actually is.
Jimmy and the whole Carbon 14 thing, is he interested in chemistry? Because Sydney is, his chemistry book, explaining to Tina the science of cleaning grease, working at Alinea.
How crazy is it to think that Sydney wants to do molecular gastronomy?
Maybe that's why she only wants one star, so that eating at The Bear remains accessible to the public.
Yes and Claire is described by Mikey as being into science but she could care less about discussing the details of the fire suppression test with Carmy.
After doing research and documenting it on Twitter, I decided to transfer it all here. We’re going to be talking about (2x02)’s script.
what the heck on the shadowb*****! I'll tag you on something I thought you might like but you probably didn't see a week or so back.
Weeeeelp, I'd say that tidbit about Carmy thinking Claire was his mom(!) at first glance, is a pretty big clue honestly!
@thoughtfulchaos773 told me about it yesterday and I'm still startled honestly. We were all right. I feel so vindicated that the far more subtle clues they worked into the aired show, still led us to this connection between Claire and Donna.
Like all the details you linked ARE ominous, just on their face. But then add in the way they frame her scenes with Carm this season especially, like the blue black soaked scene you show.
“Scientists learned to grow Penicillium mold in deep fermentation tanks by adding a kind of sugar and other ingredients. This process increased the growth of Penicillin.”
This reminds me of the paradigm shift.
Scientists return to routine. Revolution becomes invisible.
Is this alluding to the writers being the scientists? Claire is the mold and they add Natalie (sugar) and other ingredients (Sydney, the Berzattos, etc.) kinda like your metas @whenmemorydies !!
Mocktail Is A Dirty Word has a sugar rush reference as well!
(My mind won’t shut down 😵💫)
Tagging if anyone is interested!!
Not sure if someone already mentioned this but:
Jimmy: And, um, actually about how they’re all born from people of the U of Chicago, right here in Illinois, you know? Crazy fucking shit, let me tell you.
Like carbon dating. You know what that is?
Carmy: I don’t think so.
Jimmy: So when anything is alive…anything, like plants, animals, human beings, whatever, we absorb carbon 14 atoms into our tissue, all right?So then when we die, those atoms start to get released back out in the atmosphere. This one motherfucker, right? He figures out how to measure how long something’s been dead by counting the remaining carbon 14 atoms.Who the fuck thinks of that, right?
I don't know why I thought to combine this, but Instructions on carbon dating—used to determine the age of a once-living organism—can be compromised by mold, which may skew the results to make the organism appear younger than it actually is.
This is going to be kind of long, so I decided it'd be better to cut it up into 2 parts.
Was it peaceful when she asked somebody else for his number after he intentionally gave her the wrong one? Was it peaceful when she interrupted his day of work to ask him to help her move some furniture? Was it peaceful the way she tried to joke about his brother’s suicide when he clearly hasn’t grieved properly? Was it peaceful when she brought him to a party full of people from high school when they are grown ass adults and she knows he didn’t have friends like that in high school? Was it peaceful when she left her best friend grieving a break up for a man? Was it peaceful when she begged the chef to cook for her? Was it peaceful when he kicked everybody out who was working towards his dream just so he could be alone with her? Was it peaceful when he had a panic attack after sleeping with her? Was it peaceful when she stormed the back of the kitchen after friends and family when he was having a meltdown? Was it people when she made the entire meltdown about herself? Was it peaceful for her to be talking shit about him to anybody that would listen? Was it peaceful for her to not ask is he even ok? Was it peaceful for her favorite day to be Monday? Was it peaceful? Was it?
Or is she just speaking in a low tone of voice in an almost dream like quality? Is her existence to him only peaceful in his mind? Don’t let soft voices and pretty faces fool you. They are full of fallacies. Like sirens.
Thank you to my pookie @sydneys-adamu for letting me scream everytime I get annoyed 🥴
@espumado 's fantastic meta on the influence of the horror/noir thriller classic film, The Night of the Hunter on The Bear Season 3 has been rattling around in my brain ever since she shared it; and it prompted me to watch the movie recently. I'd like to encourage folks to check out @espumado's post here if you haven't seen it.
Here are some thoughts I'd like to add concerning a potential parallel between two highlighted romantic relationships in The Night of the Hunter and The Bear thus far -
The marriage of Willa Harper and Harry Powell
There are four features of the relationship between Willa and Harry that are mildly echoed in Carmy and Claire's relationship: external social pressure to accept a romantic partner that Willa and Carmy are not enthusiastic about initially; blatant tip-offs that Willa and Carmy receive that everything is not well in their relationships with the partners that they have been 'set up' with by their loved ones; post-tip-offs, Willa and Carmy's insistent denial of the fact that their partners are less than ideal; and Willa and Carmy's self-loathing and poor sense of self-worth that is reinforced by their larger-than-life familial figures.
My best friend is watching The Bear. I was unsure which episode she was on, but she just texted me, "I don't know how I feel about Claire."
Hahaha YIKES
Okay, I think I understand why Chef Terry also wears polka dot bandanas. It's related to Jamie Lee Curtis' Instagram post.
@whenmemorydies wrote a beautiful analysis of how Chef Terry and Sydney parallel each other.
The two women who shaped Carmys life.
It's the same for Chef Terry and Sydney. They are two women who influenced Carmy's life in the right direction. Syd and Andrea almost represent the physical representation of the anima in Carmy's unconscious according to the Freudian concepts.
Anima names the feminine unconscious factor in a man, while animus applies to the corresponding masculine factor in a woman's unconscious. Anima is usually related to the emotional, empathetic, and sensitive aspects, …Link
Compare this to her other sydcarmy post
Well, isn't this interesting. Jamie Lee Curtis instagram, where she posts this Claire/Donna comparison with a Van Morrison song called "It Stoned Me," a song about Van Morrison experience as a kid:
@currymanganese made an awesome comparison to Claire and Donna. As well as @brokenwinebox
I wouldn't say she's a claire carmy shipper. But claire has been apart of shaping carmy to who he is today.
But Jamie also posted Carmy's future with another Van Morrison song - a love song! Take a listen:
Funny enough, @moodyeucalyptus this is a sydcarmy song had she had to pick one!
A review of the song:
"Over the endlessly descending, circular progression, Morrison sings positive lyrics about nature and a romantic partner, seemingly beginning in the middle of a thought: And I will stroll the merry way."
We're not done with this Richie thing.
Richie is the film director and observer of Carmy's love life.
He’s likes setting up a scene—he checks the lighting; I'd say he's almost more excited than Mikey about setting Claire up with Carmy because he observes that Carmy needs to loosen up a bit.
Richie also serves as an observer, primarily focusing on Syd and Carmy's relationship. In his typical fashion, he gives Carmy a hard time about his relationship with Sydney, like he did with Carmy's drawings of Claire.
As an observer with Sydney and Carmy, it's almost as if Richie makes comments for the audience, and that's the only time he gets involved as a director. He let's the two stars do their thing and will occasionally make observations and comments like he's an audience member but also immersed in the scene.
When Sydney makes this fruedian slip
Richie comments on the light or lighting levels - he says terms like, "Let's shoot." William Friedkin is his favorite director - he's the character that relates to the viewers.
So I wonder if this role for Richie changes in season 4. Will he step in like a director and orchestrate a moment for Sydney and Carmy- especially once he finds out Sydney is thinking about leaving?
Will he help Carmy resolve his relationship with Claire?
Thanks for reading!
Shoutout to:
@whenmemorydies for the back turned- director observation for Richie
@currymanganese for the genius meta on Richie being a avatar- Chris Storer inset.
@fresaton for calling out Richie's theories in his notebook.
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