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Anonymous asked:

Before Lost Days, did Talia and Jason ever interact?

Yes and no.

Post-Crisis!Jason never interacted with Talia until he was resurrected. Their first canonical interaction was in Batman Annual #25 (2006), the issue that first explained Jason's resurrection. However, a few subsequent stories that have either focused on or mentioned Jason's Robin era (Lost Days and the 2011 Red Hood and the Outlaws run, for example) have implied that Talia and Jason interacted at least a few times while he was Robin and she thought fondly of him:

Red Hood: The Lost Days #1

Pre-Crisis!Jason, on the other hand, technically interacted with Talia twice: he literally JUST missed interacting with her on-panel in Detective Comics #526 (1983), his first outing as Robin, as he was a bit pre-occupied trying to kill Killer Croc for murdering his parents at the time. He did save her and Selina from being boiled alive, though, and it's implied that they talked on the way back to Wayne Manor:

"Those wild shots broke the main steam pipe! Not steam all over--they'll be boiled alive!" -Detective Comics (1937) #526

Tec 526, concidentally, also has one of the funniest Selina-Talia interactions ever put on page:

[as they drive off together] "Call me sometime." "If he does, dear, I'll rip your hearts out."

The second time Jason and Talia interacted was in Batman #400 (1986)...an all-Arkham+Blackgate breakout orchestrated by Ra's:

The villains split up to kidnap a bunch of people important to Batman (including Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Alfred and his daughter Julia, and Vicki Vale). Jason and Talia pair off to save Gordon and Bullock, who were being held hostage at the GCPD headquarters. They actually work quite well together. Jason seems to know of her but doesn't really know much about her, but I'm pretty sure Talia's passionate declaration that she "would rather die in [Bruce's] world than live in [her] father's" earlier that issue did the trick getting him to trust her.

Ironically, both stories where pre-Crisis!Jason interacts with Talia also feature Selina, and both stories happen because of massive "all villains go after Bruce at once and both Selina and Talia show up to help and protect him" plots. There's probably some interesting meta about Jason's relationship with both women that can be written about that, but I'm not going to do it here.

Unfortunately, after Batman #400 Talia wouldn't show up again in comics until Bride of the Demon in 1991; thus, she never actually met post-Crisis!Jason before his death in 1988. The al Ghuls in general didn't appear between Ra's apparent death in Batman Annual #8 in 1981 and Batman #400 in 1986, where he's inexplicably alive again. Since Jason was introduced in 1983 and murdered in 1988, there basically just weren't a lot of opportunities for Jason and Talia to interact with each other on-panel. But what interaction we do have between the two of them is "ambivalent but cooperative allies" at worst, so at least that's something.

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honestly talia and jason’s relationships is just so important to me.

i mean, she’s basically the only person since jason came back to life that he totally trusted. his own self-hatred and his birth mother’s betrayal have left him with massive trust and vulnerability issues – but here’s talia, the woman who took jason in and sheltered him for over a year while he was at his most vulnerable. who fed him, clothed him, confided in him and never gave up on the hope that his mind could be restored.

jason may have been severely brain damaged for those years, but talia noticed the flickers of emotion beneath jason’s catatonia. she recognised that he was more than an unresponsive shell. and somewhere in what remained of jason’s mind, he recognised talia as his protector and trusted her not to harm him.

it says a lot that, when talia restored jason’s mind, talia was the one that jason turned to for help – albeit, help in training to kill bruce. however much he remembered from the last few years, that bond he’d formed with talia remained and he continued to confide and trust in her for the new few months/years.

this is where talia’s faith waned, torn between her bond with jason and her feelings for bruce, yet still she refused to abandon him or turn jason over to ra’s. though jason seemed to have lost himself in rage and vengefulness, she couldn’t bring herself to have him harmed. and ultimately, her loyalty was rewarded – jason began to rediscover heroism, even if it was in a more violent and murderous form, and talia was proud.

it wasn’t a super healthy relationship – these are two very psychologically damaged individuals, talia did enable jason in travelling down a dark path to becoming the red hood (though she arguably helped to guide jason away from an even darker path), and ultimately their relationship in the lost days culminated in some pretty messed up grudge sex as an indirect “fuck you” to bruce wayne. but it was incredibly important for jason to have at least this one person he could trust implicitly to protect him, to not stab him in the back.

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