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Helen Sunflower. 34. Enby/Demisexual/Queer. They/Them. Feminist. British-Canadian. Traveller. English Language Teacher. Artist. Reader. Writer. Dramatist. Whovian. Sci-fi & fantasy lover. Talks too much. Wants more than ordinary. Willing to fight for it. Sometimes NSFW.
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OH MY GOD PREACH IT 🍿 👀💅

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Ummm… I’m pretty sure this is romantic. If he was following her around or doing this in front of her door it’s creepy, but a guy doing something that hurts literally no one to try to romance a woman is not a creep. You are just hyper sensitive.

ummmm…..NO. it’s not romantic. not by a long shot. did you even read the article?? he’s fucking pulling this stunt SO SHE’LL SEE IT and get back with him! what makes you think she doesn’t live nearby?? in any case, he chose a public location and is literally trying to use social media to pressure/manipulate her into changing her mind. and he has the audacity to call that love. fuck. that. shit. not to mention that they were literally together 4 months. 4. months. does that sound like healthy behavior to you????? even if they had been together a lot longer, there’s no excuse. he’s not just singing his blues in the park, he’s being obsessive and down right CREEPY and she dodged a bullet. A GIRL SHOULD BE ABLE TO BREAK UP WITH A GUY WITHOUT THIS SORT OF PUBLIC GUILT TRIPPING BULLSHIT

Yep. This is no different then him threatening to kill himself if she doesn’t take him back. It’s a guilt trip. Plain and simple. Guilt trips are *not* sexy or romantic at all. She broke up with him for a reason, she shouldn’t be made to feel guilty about it. He needs to move the fuck on.

Guilt-tripping, manipulative behavior is never romantic.

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tzikeh

Oh a God, the women who have been inculcated by sitcoms and romcoms to find this shit romantic are much more likely to end up in awful toxic relationships with a side dish of occasionally dead. It’s terrifying how much unlearning there is to do, and it falls on other women to do the unteaching. Men are shit and they ruin everything.

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amireal2u

Not ONLY is this not romantic, but he’s putting HIS shitty behavior on her. How much you wanna bet she’s had at least 6 people go “just talk to him so he’ll shut up already.” No. Just… ALL the nos. Learn to take disappointment without turning into creepy, stalkerish, abusive shitheads already?

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The Story of Luke and Rapunzel, and why the Grand Gesture is Bullshit.

Anyone online in the UK this week has probably come across the story of Luke from Bristol - (see here for original story: 

Luke decided (and announced publicly and on social media) that playing the piano non-stop on the village green would be an appropriate way to “win back” the girlfriend, known to him as “Rapunzel”, who rejected him after their four-month affair.

There was, understandably, a fair bit of discussion on this. Some people (mostly men, it seems) thought it was a romantic gesture. Others (mostly women) thought it wasn’t. After a fair bit of exposure and some fairly passionate debate, Luke from Bristol has finally stopped playing, after an incident at 4 am last night (someone punched him – I wonder why?). Since then, the debate has continued, with some people (mostly men) saying how ungrateful and incomprehensible women are to reject The Kind of Romantic Gesture All Women Want, and some (mostly women) saying; “Serves him right.”

Now I don’t know Luke from Bristol. He may well have problems of his own, and I don’t believe that punching anyone in the face is necessarily the best way to solve them. However, there is a conversation to be had about male perceptions of What Women Want, and women’s perceptions of What Makes a Romantic Gesture, and how those ideas can cause conflict, misunderstanding, and, in some cases, abuse.

First, let’s look at where the idea of the Grand Gesture came from. Given the nickname that Luke gave his ex-girlfriend, let’s start with Rapunzel.

The story: Rapunzel has been trapped in a tower for the whole of her life. Along comes the Prince to rescue her. After a number of adventures (tasks), he manages to do so, and thereby earns his reward – that is, the girl herself, all-too-often represented in fairytales as the prize the hero wins, after having fulfilled his tasks. This scenario exists in so many classic fairytales: Snow White; the Sleeping Beauty; Rapunzel. In all these cases, the girl has never even met the guy she ends up marrying. Snow White and Beauty are both unconscious: Rapunzel is at the top of a tower, and presumably only gets to see the top of his head. Not the greatest basis for a lasting relationship. But these stories are all based on the idea that the girl will happily put out out of sheer gratitude. The guy wins the girl by fulfilling a series of tasks. The girl conveniently falls in love with the guy because he fulfilled all the tasks. No-one ever asks the girl whether she really wants the guy. No-one asks what would have happened if she’d just said: “Thanks, but I never asked you to do these tasks for me in the first place. Now jog on, there’s a good chap, and let me get on with my own life.”

And here’s the problem. The history of the romantic novel is littered with this kind of bullshit thinking. The woman is all-too often a passive player in the game. And modern men and women are still being fed the myth that men should make grand gestures in order to deserve them.

But here’s the thing. Love just doesn’t work that way. If you don’t love someone, then no grand gesture is going to change things. The public proposal at the football match, the guy who fakes his own death before leaping out of the ambulance covered in theatre blood, clutching an engagement ring (yes, that did happen); the guy who swears he won’t stop playing piano until his beloved comes back to him – none of those gestures will actually make someone love you. At best, they will be embarrassing; at worst, they seem manipulative, coercive and downright creepy.

It’s hard to turn someone down in public. You’re afraid that the person will feel humiliated. You’re afraid that all the onlookers will judge you for being heartless. You say yes because you’re feeling pressured. Because you’re being publicly coerced by someone who knows exactly what they’re doing.

In the same way, when someone threatens self-harm, or even suicide if you refuse to give them what they want, you feel responsible, even when you’re clearly not. You may even see it as a sign of their love for you, rather than a sign of entitlement, mental illness or abuse.

But behaviour like that is abuse. It may not seem that way, but it is. The language of love has traditionally been all about the cruelty of the woman who won’t put out and the suffering of the man who wants her to. But really, all it comes down to is the wheedling of a naughty little boy going: “Please, Mum, pleeeese, oh pleeease, oh, pleeease, I’ll cry, I’ll scream, I’ll HOLD MY BREATH UNTIL I DIE AND THEN YOU’LL BE SORRY,” until his mother, out of sheer exhaustion, rewards him with a sweet or a toy, thereby feeding him the myth that all women will give in eventually, if pressured enough to do so.

Coercion has nothing to do with love. Public gestures are all about ego. They’re not for the recipient; they’re for the public. They’re not sincere. They’re theatre. In the same way, threats of self-harm (be that threatening suicide or just playing the piano until you drop) are not about love. They’re about manipulation, which is a form of abuse. Real love puts the other’s feelings before one’s own. Real love doesn’t want the control or coerce. Real love cares about what the other person thinks, and when the other person says: “no”, then real love backs off and shows respect.  

Fairytales may be lots of fun, but they’re not a template for real life. Neither are love stories in fiction. Heathcliff may say he loves Cathy, but how does he show it? By marrying and abusing another woman; by tormenting Cathy to death and taking vengeance on her child.

“He loves me with such passion that it comes out in violence” has been the cry of abused women throughout the ages, in fiction and outside of it. And yet it’s bullshit: the truth is that a violent man is violent because he can’t or won’t control his aggression. Love has nothing to do with it, whatever he might claim. And a man who blames women for his own lack of self-control is a man who may one day attack or maim or kill a woman because he doesn’t feel accountable for his actions. He’ll say: “She drove me to it.” What that really means is: “She didn’t give me what I wanted, which in my world is unacceptable.”

So, repeat after me:

It isn’t cruel to refuse the advances of someone you’re not interested in.

The moment you say no to them, your responsibility to the other person ceases.

Grown-ups don’t wheedle. No means no.

Returning unwanted gifts isn’t cruel: it’s necessary.

You don’t owe it to someone to love them, just because they made an effort to get your attention.

Theatrical, public gestures designed to make you do something you didn’t want to aren’t romantic. They’re selfish, childish and bullying.

Saying he loves you in public makes you just one of the audience. Saying he loves you in private – that’s between the two of you.

And most of all, remember this:

Women are not rewards for being a good boy. Women are not prizes at the shooting-range. Women are not there to be bought. They get to decide for themselves who they want. Men don’t get to tell them how to make their choices. That’s right: not even nice-looking men with romantic hair and a shy little smile who like to play the piano.

So. Fucking. Much. Real love respects both of the participants’ right to choose.

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so this guy followed me yesterday after I posted some selfies and then this happened. At first I just wanted to say ‘anyway men are awful’ but I figured I might help especially younger female followers identify a douchebag when he starts a seemingly harmless, friendly conversation so let’s go through it shall we

First off, I have a big nose. Growing up I was very insecure about it but I’ve learned to not care about it now. Fact is it is something that is generally considered unattractive and this dude knows it. So he compliments me on something that he thinks I am insecure about but doesn’t get the expected reaction of ‘omg noooo it’s so ugly, thank you!!!!!!!!’ 

so he keeps digging: ‘do others compliment it?’ and ‘what do you think of it?’ He was waiting for me to confess that I’ve been insulted or laughed at because of it and that I cry myself to sleep every night. So he can be the one guy to find me attractive despite my tragic fate.

He picked a feature of my face that is not conventionally attractive, counting on my low self-esteem so I would be grateful and he’d prove that he’s ‘not like all the other guys’

and as soon as I made it clear I don’t have vulnerability to exploit he blocked me lmao

TL;DR men will use your insecurities so don’t give them the opportunity and don’t open up to them

This is actually really important, I’ve experienced this kind of thing many times and it’s only in the last few years that I know what these men are doing.

It seems harmless but in reality this is insidious, manipulative and devious. 

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velvetcyborg

This is a pick up artist (PUA) technique called ‘negging’ and is purposely done to psychologically target people’s weaknesses and is pretty fucked up

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emotionally manipulative things you should never say to people:

  • "i would kill myself without you"
  • "everyone leaves me, don’t leave me like they did"
  • basically anything that guilts the other person into staying in a relationship with you
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poeticus

this post is important

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omgtsn

yoooo this shit doesn’t even have to apply to romantic relationships like if you have friends saying this kind of garbage to you it’s time to re-evaluate who you hang out with

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HELP CAPTAIN SWANNERS?!?

There was this FABULOUS manip edit, that I loved, that I wanted to reblog, but my internet crashed and now I can't find it!

It was in three panels. The top two were a first kiss, and the final one was a sort of "morning after" snuggle in bed.

SOMEONE PLEASE SEND ME THE LINK!

I loved it.

Might write a response to it.

Thank you kindly!

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