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How about instead of Hawkmoth forcing Ladybug to take a “risk,” Ladybug gets fed up with his nonsense and takes a risk of her own by coming up with a plan to lure Hawkmoth out - faking another villain/faction that wants to use the miraculouses to make a wish. They would be affiliated with the Order, so they know everything, even more than Hawkmoth does.

Hawkmoth either:

A. Is forced to team up with the heroes, giving them an opportunity to fake an alliance while secretly the heroes plan to get the edge on Hawkmoth

or 

B. Hawkmoth tries to convince this fake villain to team up with him (results may vary)

You can have characters like Zoe, Felix, Luka, Alya, and so forth be involved with this plan.

Honestly, I was kind of hoping something like this would happen as a result of his akuma’s effect. It’s supposed to make her “reckless”, and wouldn’t her sense of caution be what’s holding her back from just…using all of the Miraculous to try to track Hawk Moth down?

Ladybug gets the Black Cat Miraculous and dual wields it with the Snake Miraculous to just Cataclysm every building in Paris one at a time until she finds one that has a secret villain lair inside.

Ladybug uses the Rabbit Miraculous to see into the future/past and find out who Hawk Moth is, then beats him up that way.

Ladybug uses the Dragon Miraculous to become the wind so she can just go everywhere across Paris until she finds him.

Ladybug uses the Fox Miraculous to create a “villain” that freaks Paris out and forces Hawk Moth to respond so she can attack him.

Ladybug using the Horse and announcing to Paris that she is tossing the Ladybug Miraculous into the sun. Just try to stop her, Hawky!

Ladybug just beating up Hawk Moth. Full stop.

And a humor take where Chat and Hawk Moth are forced to team up because a Ladybug with no sense of caution and no inhibitions is freaking terrifying, so the enemies have to become reluctant allies to stop her from accidentally destroying Paris. Or taking over the world.

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How about instead of Hawkmoth forcing Ladybug to take a “risk,” Ladybug gets fed up with his nonsense and takes a risk of her own by coming up with a plan to lure Hawkmoth out - faking another villain/faction that wants to use the miraculouses to make a wish. They would be affiliated with the Order, so they know everything, even more than Hawkmoth does.

Hawkmoth either:

A. Is forced to team up with the heroes, giving them an opportunity to fake an alliance while secretly the heroes plan to get the edge on Hawkmoth

or 

B. Hawkmoth tries to convince this fake villain to team up with him (results may vary)

You can have characters like Zoe, Felix, Luka, Alya, and so forth be involved with this plan.

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I think the timer on the teen miraculous holders could work if the backstory behind it was to train them to use the power efficiently, build up their stamina, and focus on other skills needed for heroing (hand-to-hand and weapons-based combat, agility, anticipating your opponents, etc). Eventually, as the heroes bond with the kwami and master skills, the timer would be extended until eventually they would no longer need it.

So while Hawkmoth would start off with no timer and seem “more powerful”, he would eventually be outclassed because the others heroes would have developed other skills that would work in tandem with the powers provided by their miraculous. Ideally, Hawkmoth would be defeated by the end of season three, with season two showing that while Hawkmoth is still “stronger” than the heroes, their power gap isn’t that large. Season three would mark them crossing the threshold.

The next major villain, by contrast, could be a holder that was a previous ally of the team. Chloe certainly comes to mind, if we go the canon route and keep her evil. Lila could also serve this role, if she’s more active in this version and manages to swipe a miraculous (maybe the peafowl?). To indulge my salty side for a moment, I’m more than willing to entertain Adrien betraying the team to save his father. If Felix is introduced earlier on, he could also serve this role if he’s the one to get the miraculous.

What I’m saying is that by adding this mechanic, we can create the ultimate Betrayal AU.

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Another one for the plot holes list, I think, but isn’t Adrien ever growing harem basically this? Like, why would there be a need for the majority of the key characters NEED to be in love with him? Especially since we don’t have a contest as for WHY? Kagami only managed to break up with him in SEASON 4 and even then, "Riposte" her would’ve NEVER dated him. Lila is a plot device to create drama. The Chloenette rivarly is fueled by him and the love square.... you know (no interaction).

Chloe makes sense given how they're childhood friends. Plus he's rich and famous and thus the only one worthy of her/the one only she is worthy of.

Kagami sort of makes sense from the viewpoint that she is also a rich kid with a problematic parent who can understand him, and narratively speaking, the story needed a love rival for Marinette who actually stands a chance as Chloe (being the obvious bully character) obviously wasn't to be considered a legitimate option in canon.

Lila, however, makes little sense. Sure, it could be the same issue as Chloe in that he's rich and famous, but...well, we already have Chloe for that. If they were going to stick to a redemption for Chloe, it'd give cause for Lila to step in and essentially replace her as the "evil non-option".

There is one other issue, however. Basically, why would anyone know or care who Adrien is in the first place? I know that Paris is one of the fashion capitols in the world, but does the average civilian in Paris keep up with the modeling world so much that they would recognize a teen model on the street on sight? To be fair, he is apparently wearing his same modeling clothes from all his photoshoots everywhere, but still... Would they actually approach him for autographs and try to chase him down?

...and why is he not only the only model we ever see, but also plastered EVERYWHERE across the city?

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Adrien would have worked better if he was an actor who did some modeling on the side. He could start off with a small part in a popular children’s movie/show and eventually land the romantic lead in a tween/teen romance. Acting already runs on his mom’s side of the family, so he could maybe do it to feel closer to her?

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I can’t recall if I’ve mentioned this before on tumblr, it would have been more interesting and saved on character models if they had just made Lila and Zoe the same person.

I’ve mentioned this to a few on Discord before, but they could have just combined the characters of Lila and Zoe into ONE single character.

Despite being portrayed as a major antagonist, Lila hasn’t seen much use. In addition, her lies are so outrageous that it makes everyone else look dumbed down in order to believe her rather than making Lila out to be a real credible threat.

Zoe, on the other hand, while nice and sweet, feels superfluous. She’s ultimately just a replacement for Chloe since Thomas didn’t want her to be a hero. If that was really the case, no Bee user was really necessary. There are a multitude of other options the writers could use besides needing individual holders for the Miraculous: still as of yet unrevealed Miraculous, dual wielding, and potions come to mind. These are gimmicks that they have introduced but done very little with, even if they would be extremely useful to the heroes at this point, and even act as game breakers for the fight against Hawk Moth.

So we have one character not being used enough and another one introduced at the last minute with little purpose. The simple answer would be to simply combine the two into one single character:

Chloe’s sister, who is a massive liar and manipulator but hides it behind a sweet facade.

If Zoe was more like Lila, I could see her using Chloe as a tool to make herself look better. After all, who would ever suspect Zoe of anything when Chloe is right there? Always a bully. Always overly emotional. Always acting out. Always demanding to get her way and throwing massive tantrums and running to Andre whenever she doesn’t get what she wants.

It would ultimately be what ends up causing trouble in the family. Zoe would cause trouble and then frame Chloe for things and Chloe would know Zoe was actually responsible and in turn blame her and throw a tantrum. Andre would of course cater to Chloe, but that would just make everyone watching think that Chloe is falsely blaming Zoe for what she does and getting away with it, which only makes people sympathize with Zoe and like her more. The fact that Chloe would be telling the truth would be overlooked. And Audrey would see the difference in behavior as well. And when it comes to which of her daughters to take with her to New York to be with her and see the inside of her industry…well, of course she’s going to take the “well behaved daughter”.

It could even play into Chloe’s character arc and show how she develops. Zoe would regularly lie and blame Chloe for things she did, and Chloe would react in a way that seems more like a child throwing a tantrum to not have to deal with a consequence rather than a girl who was upset over being falsely blamed for something that wasn’t her fault. And since she’s so used to it, she ends up just responding that way to everyone in general.

As the only one who knew Zoe was lying and getting away with it, she’d ultimately feel she’d have to throw the tantrums and demand her father punish Zoe to see any justice done. But even this only helped Zoe in the end, as it would cause everyone else to see Zoe as the sympathetic figure who is being falsely blamed by her immature sister…they wouldn’t know Zoe was the one who started it in the first place.

And that would be how they grow up. With Zoe antagonizing and setting up Chloe while Chloe would have outbursts in response that everyone felt they just had to put up with. And when Audrey leaves for New York and needs to decide whether to take her daughters with her…well, clearly Zoe is so well behaved and polite and wonderful while Chloe is demanding and accusatory.

Zoe would know this, and as New York would come with more opportunities for her, Zoe would want to go…and all the better if she can cost Chloe the opportunity. So she sets up another incident framing Chloe. Chloe of course tries in vain to tell everyone Zoe did it. And no one believes her.

Audrey ultimately deems Chloe unable to handle it, so she goes to New York with just Zoe, and leaves Chloe behind.

It’d explain why Chloe acts as she does in canon and is so reliant on her father’s authority for any perceived slight. She felt her sister always got away with everything and her father has been the only one in her corner. In her mind, her actions are always the lesser problem compared to the wrongs of someone else because she has that inner need to see justice done after all that time dealing with someone who always seemed to sidestep it.

Cue Chloe’s character arc, as she starts to or is even FORCED to start to take notice of just what SHE’S doing. How she’s hurting people and how her own behavior is unjust. As she grows and stops responding to every perceived slight, she gains the ability to better handle situations without blowing up. And even, dare I say, starts to gain real friends.

Then Zoe returns. And it seems like a perfect opportunity to play again at the tricks and manipulations she subjected Chloe to as kids. Only this time, Chloe is able to not only NOT respond, but to outwit her. AND she has support this time.

It wouldn’t undo all of Zoe’s manipulations over the years. And it wouldn’t justify Chloe’s own bullying. But it would better explain a lot of why she is how she is, and offer more of a step for her to break out of it.

That way, we’d have a character arc for Chloe and a real credible threat of Zoe as well as a REASON as to why she would be so believable.

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Here’s another Adrien-centric episode I brainstormed based off my “Adrien’s Room” post:

I mentioned that one of the hobbies I would give Adrien is tricking, and that it would be a hobby he would share with Nino and Kagami. The three of them could get into a tricking battle at one of the meet ups they secretly go to, with one of the trickers getting akumatized. The way the akuma is defeated is via distraction and all of the moves Adrien has been practicing, leading him to finally mastering a move he’s been practicing for a while.

Oh, and this would be a “Marinette takes a day off” episode, where she would only have to show up as Ladybug and not be embarrassed over something trivial that the show decides to punish her over. So everyone wins.

Alternatively, you could replace “Party Crasher” with this episode - Adrien holds a secret tricking meet up in his room, inviting Nino, Kagami, and the other trickers they know. That way, you eliminate the outdated “no girls allowed” weirdness, and Wayhem would have a legitimate reason for not being allowed in - it’s supposed to be a secret tricking meeting, not a party.

You could also make Kim a tricker in order to keep him getting the monkey miraculous.

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Here’s another Adrien-centric episode I brainstormed based off my “Adrien’s Room” post:

I mentioned that one of the hobbies I would give Adrien is tricking, and that it would be a hobby he would share with Nino and Kagami. The three of them could get into a tricking battle at one of the meet ups they secretly go to, with one of the trickers getting akumatized. The way the akuma is defeated is via distraction and all of the moves Adrien has been practicing, leading him to finally mastering a move he’s been practicing for a while.

Oh, and this would be a “Marinette takes a day off” episode, where she would only have to show up as Ladybug and not be embarrassed over something trivial that the show decides to punish her over. So everyone wins.

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Looked back over my Adrien memorabilia post and saw that tidbit about Adrien becoming a Delivery Boy for the bakery, and working alongside Luka and like

If these boys had an actual rivalry going on, this would have been a great spot to actually confront and resolve that.

1. Luka’s work performance would be better because he’s more experienced in handling customers - he’s fair but firm and doesn’t let anyone step on his boundaries. He also remembers people and their orders a lot better. Adrien, on the other hand, is often pushed around by customers wants that go against the bakery policies. Due to his upbringing, he’s not as personable and has more difficulty making conversation, since he’s dealing with different personalities.

2. Naturally, Adrien doesn’t like not being liked by all the customers and complains about a fair amount, thinking about quitting. Luka, who needs this job to help make ends meet, resents this.

3. This would culminate into a big argument where Adrien is forced to understand that Luka’s life is not all peachy keen. Sure Luka has wonderful friends, a chill mom, and a twin he’s close with (and alternatively, if he’s dating Marinette, a wonderful girlfriend), but his dad is either missing/absent from his life, or Luka has only recently learned of his identity, his mom gets herself into a fair share of problems, and he himself has a history of emotional difficulties. (Alternatively, if he’s not dating Marinette/they’ve broken/he was rejected, knowing that she’s crushing on Adrien feels like he’s getting spat in his face).

Basically, a subplot where Adrien has to learn that other people have problems in their life that they have to deal with, and it may not be as easy or okay as they let on.

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Alternative to the Most Powerful

I raise you a set up where, instead of there being a “two most powerful”, the most powerful are actually the ones that represent the Classical Elements (the western, Wu Xing, Japanese Five Elements, ect.). That these all together represent true balance, and if you want to make a wish, you need them all.

Which to me, is a more logical set up. Its more difficult gathering up miraculouses that are based on Classical Elements as there are more than two. There’s more effort and work in to get that wish. 

This also wouldn’t have Fu look like such an idiot. Yes, he releases two that Gabriel needs, but still holds the rest of them from Gabriel’s reach. And setting up Butterfly as a lower ranked miraculous, all should have some capacity in handling it. 

And the biggest kicker? Allowing the Guardians to be smart, and throw one last sucker punch to those that are seeking the miraculouses based on Classical Elements to make a wish. 

Yes, there’s largely five elements for most classical elements, but the 5th, which isn’t included as much or is lesser known, has a unique set up. Earth/aether/void/space don’t entirely fit in with the rest, often representing the world, the heavens, or is an in between all other elements. While not specifically more powerful than the others, its definitely more unique. Unique enough that one miraculous alone can’t properly represent it, and the Guardians have crafted it that two miraculouses represent the 5th element together. 

This is information not shared lightly, not even with most of the Order; and kwamis are bound to not reveal that one of the elements have two miraculouses assigned to it. 

So on the off chance that, yes, someone does get those miraculouses needed to make that wish, the assumed number five as it’s what appears in most representations of classical elements; SUPRISE, no wish. 

Because they’re missing the counterpart to the 5th element. 

With how much the wish is frowned upon for using and Guardians don’t want it used at all, this will secure that it’s going to be damn difficult to get that wish. 

Rest in pieces, Gabriel Agreste. 

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Let’s Actually Do Something with the Photos of Adrien in Marinette’s Room Instead of Just Making Fun of Her

I know what you’re thinking - “All those photos of Adrien that Marinette has makes her come off as a creepy stalker.” I’m personally not fond of this sentiment, but I get where it comes from. I don’t deny that when it comes to Adrien, Marinette gets obsessive and has difficulty focusing on anything else. It’s draining to watch because the show would rather make fun of Marinette for being like this rather than discuss why she might be obsessive,  or offering her ways to actually work on her friendship with Adrien.

So instead of that, let’s make an arc out of it.

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okay just hear me out. a lukanette fic where kitty section blows up, and they ask marinette to be their personal stylist/costume designer. but what say you if mylène and ivan end up having a kid and the band retires and luka goes solo STILL HAVING MARI AS HIS STYLIST PERSON!!! they ended up confessing to each other a longggg time ago but after kitty section dis-BAND-ed (see what i did there? sorry, i’m cringey) they didn’t want to act upon it because mari knew that her luka would be huge - pt 1

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so she didn’t want to distract him and they just kinda let their feelings for each other grow over time. fast forward to when luka asks mark to be his personal stylist and they go on tour together and award shows together and just like rockstar!luka x stylist!mari au - pt. 2 ---

*I assume you meant Mari being his personal stylist?

I’d like that idea if we’re going miraculess (see, I make cringy puns too, so we’re all good), so that would give Marinette and Luka less dire stuff to deal with. 

That being said, I like keeping Kitty Section around just because it gives me enough characters to play around with and experiment with dynamics. Really, I’m a sucker for writing friend groups in general. But if someone wrote it, I’d check it out.

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