Anonymous asked:

The tags on that post about the Adrien Remix of TOTMIS got me wondering, have you ever written a Love Square fic before? And would you be willing to do it again?

Way, way back in the day (think the hiatus between season 1 and 2), I wrote a oneshot where Marinette and Adrien revealed their identities to each other in the same vein as the Dic dub of Sailor Moon.

I wouldn't write a full-on fic for them, if that's what you're asking. Maybe oneshot rewrites, or just HCs with changes I'd propose to the dynamic, but nothing in the vein of TOtMiS or Psyche and Bewitched.

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Anonymous asked:

How do you feel about Felix's character?

Assuming you're referring to canon? Well, keep in mind I haven't seriously watched the show since Season 3, so my opinion pretty much stems from his debut episode, and the few things I know after that.

CW: Discussions of sexual harassment/assault

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Anonymous asked:

Were you really that bitter on both Adrien and Alya back when you started the fic?

Oh, absolutely. Remember, this was during S3, where they really hammered down on making Marinette "learn a lesson" every episode, and pushing that Lila was a master manipulator in the absolute worst way possible. While Alya and Adrien's actions and behaviors were exaggerated in TOtMiS... they still had some basis in canon. Episodes like "Chameleon," and "Ladybug," are pretty obvious examples of this, but you also have stuff in "Gamer 2.0," "Reflekdoll," "Weredad," and of course, the infamous "Puppeteer 2". And I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting. But regardless, it was an infuriating time, to say the least.

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Anonymous asked:

Another one for the plot holes list, I think, but isn’t Adrien ever growing harem basically this? Like, why would there be a need for the majority of the key characters NEED to be in love with him? Especially since we don’t have a contest as for WHY? Kagami only managed to break up with him in SEASON 4 and even then, "Riposte" her would’ve NEVER dated him. Lila is a plot device to create drama. The Chloenette rivarly is fueled by him and the love square.... you know (no interaction).

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Chloe makes sense given how they're childhood friends. Plus he's rich and famous and thus the only one worthy of her/the one only she is worthy of.

Kagami sort of makes sense from the viewpoint that she is also a rich kid with a problematic parent who can understand him, and narratively speaking, the story needed a love rival for Marinette who actually stands a chance as Chloe (being the obvious bully character) obviously wasn't to be considered a legitimate option in canon.

Lila, however, makes little sense. Sure, it could be the same issue as Chloe in that he's rich and famous, but...well, we already have Chloe for that. If they were going to stick to a redemption for Chloe, it'd give cause for Lila to step in and essentially replace her as the "evil non-option".

There is one other issue, however. Basically, why would anyone know or care who Adrien is in the first place? I know that Paris is one of the fashion capitols in the world, but does the average civilian in Paris keep up with the modeling world so much that they would recognize a teen model on the street on sight? ~~To be fair, he is apparently wearing his same modeling clothes from all his photoshoots everywhere, but still...~~ Would they actually approach him for autographs and try to chase him down?

...and why is he not only the only model we ever see, but also plastered EVERYWHERE across the city?

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Adrien would have worked better if he was an actor who did some modeling on the side. He could start off with a small part in a popular children’s movie/show and eventually land the romantic lead in a tween/teen romance. Acting already runs on his mom’s side of the family, so he could maybe do it to feel closer to her?

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Here’s another Adrien-centric episode I brainstormed based off my “Adrien’s Room” post:

I mentioned that one of the hobbies I would give Adrien is tricking, and that it would be a hobby he would share with Nino and Kagami. The three of them could get into a tricking battle at one of the meet ups they secretly go to, with one of the trickers getting akumatized. The way the akuma is defeated is via distraction and all of the moves Adrien has been practicing, leading him to finally mastering a move he’s been practicing for a while.

Oh, and this would be a “Marinette takes a day off” episode, where she would only have to show up as Ladybug and not be embarrassed over something trivial that the show decides to punish her over. So everyone wins.

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Alternatively, you could replace “Party Crasher” with this episode - Adrien holds a secret tricking meet up in his room, inviting Nino, Kagami, and the other trickers they know. That way, you eliminate the outdated “no girls allowed” weirdness, and Wayhem would have a legitimate reason for not being allowed in - it’s supposed to be a secret tricking meeting, not a party.

You could also make Kim a tricker in order to keep him getting the monkey miraculous.

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Here’s another Adrien-centric episode I brainstormed based off my “Adrien’s Room” post:

#ml salt #kinda #ml plot bunny #Adrien salt #not really but just in case #basically it’s let’s give Adrien more interesting episodes and things to do other than pine over ladybug #like wanting to land a triple cork #or show up a rival tricker in battle #or just hang out with his friends

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Being meta =/= being a good episode or having good writing

In fact, being too meta is often to the detriment of the work, and can pull the audience out.

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Anonymous asked:

I'm not really a shipper I just like the show for other reasons, but wait would you please explain your opinion on why you don't think Adrien and Marinette would be a healthy couple? Weren't they fine in Oblivio? Do you think they would be too codependent or something.....?.... (Sorry if you've explained already)

In regards to Oblivio specifically:

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Anonymous asked:

Your opinion on Ivan/Marinette/Kagami

Do you mean separately or as a trio?

Ivan/Mari: fine, would be more interesting to explore if Ivan had more focus as a character

Mari/Kagami: *sigh* I blame Adrien for ruining this. By which I mean, Adrien the Plot Device utilized by the writers to create “drama” and not actually the character. If you’re asking why I don’t straight up blame the writers, I’m just trying to narrow down what it is that they’re doing to create the problem: using Adrien’s character in such a way to invoke sexist writing (ie girls who like the same guy can’t really be friends). I guess they *technically* fixed it, but they could have just *not* given us that storyline in the first place but it’s too late now.

That being said, I think it would be interesting to see what would have happened if Kagami had become Marinette’s secret keeper over Alya…

Trio: I think Ivan and Kagami would be good to have around Marinette, generally speaking. While they both have personal issues, I could see them being more grounded characters that would easily back up Mari and give her the support she needed. An Ivan and Kagami friendship would be welcome because it would give both characters more to work with, writing-wise.

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Anonymous asked:

1)What do you think would happen if Juleka was Marinette's best friend, instead Alya? 2) What do you think about Julenette and Ivanette?

1. Kinda hard to say. If we stick mostly to canon, then I don't think we have to worry a lot about Juleka trying to push Marinette and Adrien together, at the very least. I could see them bouncing artistic ideas off each other, and I could see the two working together to create and model fashion. I'd like an AU that leans more into the Magical Girl aspects over the Superhero ones, giving Juleka the cat, and the two having to hide their identities from everyone but each other. Alya could still be Marinette's friend in her own right, but since Juleka is now her BFF, they could probably focus on Alya's values, goals, etc without tying it all into The Ship.

2. *shrugs* They're fine. I don't really have strong takes TBH, at least not compared to other ships.

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Anonymous asked:

To me, the reason why all romantic rivals feel flat is because we never get any reaction from Adrien. Marinette feels threatened by Chloe, Lila and Kagami, while Adrien doesn't even care about Luka lmao. Imho if they wanted this to work, they could show Adrien getting a little jealous or uncertain whenever he's around Marinette but off I goooooooo.

On the one hand, recalling how they handled Adrichat being jealous in "Copycat" and how they didn't have the decency to teach him a lesson in how he treats others...

...but on the other, Adrien actually having a rival that would force him to rethink his priorities...

I've talked before in the past why I think Luka would be a good rival for Adrien, not just romantically, but in terms of friendship. If Adrien was still struggling with making close friends, or saw that his besties were getting along well with Luka, AND that Luka didn't have to worry his schedule being planned out for him. Luka could represent the freedom that Adrien wants... on the surface.

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Admittedly, one thing I didn’t really think about in the last post about Multiple Factions AU were the implications of the Temple being in Tibet but implying the Order was predominantly Chinese throughout history. Granted, I also mentioned people of Tibetan descent being involved, but I didn’t think about how the relationships and dynamics between these two groups of people might be poorly represented or inconsiderate considering the history involved.

While I do blame the show in part for not thinking through the implications, I blame myself for not taking more time to research and understand the issues that this could cause. For that, I’m sorry.

Honestly, I’m not really sure how to fix this. I’d rather not erase Tibet from the show entirely, but considering I’m not Asian, I’m out of my depths here. This is definitely an area of the story I’d feel much more comfortable having people of Asian descent (in this case particularly, those who are Tibetan) weigh in on. If anyone is willing to share, I’d love to hear your perspective on this issue or anything you would like to share.

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Multiple Factions AU

Years before Hawkmoth’s rise, a conflict led to war between the Order of the Guardians and the descendants of previous miraculous holders. The former believed that their heroes needed to be chosen based off of merit and should be evaluated based off Order values, while previous heroes wanted to choose their successors and train them (or rather, raise their children to become new heroes). The heroes also thought the Order’s training of their Guardians was far too strict and cruel.

During this conflict, the miraculouses were scattered across different factions. Five of the most powerful, the Ladybug, Cat, Fox, Bee and Turtle, remained with a Guardian-in-training, Wang Fu. The remaining two, the Peafowl and Butterfly, went missing somewhere in Europe. And the zodiacs were taken by various parties. Hoping to protect the five kwamis, Fu fled the Temple, bearing a grudge against the Order, and what would eventually be known as the Rightful Heroes.

Fast forward to present day. Hawkmoth attacks the city of Paris, looking to claim the Ladybug and Cat miraculouses and make a wish to save his wife’s life. However, Team Miraculous are not the only ones interested in putting a stop to Hawkmoth’s evil-doing. Now knowing where the location of the Butterfly is, the rival factions close in, promising to make our heroes’ lives far more difficult than before.

What none of them realize is that all of this conflict will lead to the rise of a new group… and an old enemy from the ancient past.

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Listen, I didn’t make the “Multiple Factions” AU thinking I was going to write a whole, long post about it, I just braindumped ideas and it became a thing.

Post to come soon.

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Anonymous asked:

Can I propose XY for "Rightful Heroes" fraction member?

He might just be a neutral party tbh, but I see where you’re headed with that, anon. I’ll leave him unsorted for now until I divide up the other main players.

For reference, the factions are:

Team Miraculous/Fu’s Faction (Fu + 5 main heroes)

Hawkmoth (same as in canon, maybe with some double agents)

Rightful Heroes (Descendants of former heroes who want to claim their “birthright”)

Guardians of the Order (Those who are meant to train and pass on knowledge of the miraculous box. They are supposed to choose the heroes based on merit. They are keen to stick to their secretive, traditional ways both for good and bad reasons. On the surface, they seem imposing and professional, but they are a heavily divided team.)

The Cult of Numbesis (An OC villain I created for a one shot collection. The idea revolves around a group of citizens getting so fed up with Hawkmoth, they decide to take matters into their own hands. They decide to master blocking/numbing themselves to their own emotions so Hawkmoth can’t take advantage of them. Numbesis themselves is likely to be some older being creates by the Guardians, but I haven’t entirely worked out their backstory. This faction enters the game a little later into the story, but you would seem them build up over time).

Independent: (Normal people just trying to do their own thing).

I could see there being other, smaller factions, but those are my main ones for now.

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Anonymous asked:

I hope you don’t mind this random character critique: chloe fans, look away.

In my opinion, i feel like the thing that went wrong with chloe’s character is that she was fine as a comical bully caricature. She wasn’t meant to be taken seriously, she was hilarious and fun to hate/love (like mindy from totally spies for example, or wunch from b99)...until the writers decided to take a gamble and take her seriously once(and failed miserably)and as a result certain people haven’t shut up about it ever sense. Their first mistake wasn’t doing a terrible redemption arc, it was taking her seriously enough to give her one.

jacquesthepigeon answered:

Yeah, Chloé was a fun to hate and watch character until they tried coming up with a tragic backstory to excuse her behavior and get people invested. It also didn’t help that the crew was obviously divided on where they wanted to take her character so her entire “arc” was a flippity floppity mess from start to finish. Supporting characters don’t always need depth and as long as they’re able to fulfill their role without it, there’s no reason to bend over backwards to make it happen.

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My biggest complaint concerning her is that, in addition to Love Square shenanigans that go nowhere, her “arc” eats into a whole lot of screen time that could have gone to other characters in Season 3.

Remember how we all thought that the main focus for the season was going to be Marinette vs Lila? “Chameleon” was obviously a messy episode, but it at least managed to set that up. So do we get a season finale that touches back on that subplot and gives a satisfying conclusion?

No. Because we need to establish that Chloe could never really change.

What do we get instead? Lila barely showing up for the rest of the season and hardly being necessary. To this day, I would still argue that episodes like “Onichan” and even “Ladybug” can still work without her. “Miraculer” can certainly work without her, if they don’t want to have Chloe be a better person. And even if they do, all the episode really needs is a conflict between Chloe and Sabrina. That’s not really that hard to write in.

So episodes like “Malediktator” and “Miraculer” go to waste on Chloe, when characters like Alya and Nino desperately needed something to do (and I don’t just mean the Lila or Love Square subplots). The fact that neither “Chrismaster” nor “Timetagger” give Nino any real focus is a crime, considering that his own brother is involved.

That’s why I don’t care about Zoe. If you wanted Chloe to struggle in her redemption arc, you could have focused on developing Sabrina, and have her take the bee. That would give some actual conflict for Chloe, and would allow development of a character that we’re *supposed* to sympathize with, and, you know, has been around since SEASON 1.

This isn’t a problem solely associated with Chloe, by the way. You can see this with the way they handles breaking up the rival ships (why bother introducing the rivals and developing them over two seasons, if you’re just going to break them up ASAP, especially now that two new seasons have been confirmed??). But I would argue that her character is the most indicative of the “too many ideas” problem.

Here’s an idea: if you want Chloe’s redemption to be spaced out, why not make her an anti-heroine? Make her someone who has people she cares about (Adrien, her parents, Sabrina maybe??) but who is into heroics for glory, entertainment, etc. Make her in the vein of Rouge the Bat or Harley Quinn from the Birds of Prey movie. Make her the Vegeta of the show.

Oh yeah. Because then people might think she’s an interesting character or something, and girls who aren’t goody two-shoe, angels aren’t worthy of the creator’s time.

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Anonymous asked:

You’re def right the show couldn’t respectfully handle ww2, but what pisses me off is that they threw that flashback in at all. Without it, no one would really question why fu seemingly didn’t help because its a kids show set in an alt universe BUT the writers for some reason three that reference in so now fu seems like a huge jerk for running away 😐 they could’ve written so many other reasons why he had to leave Marianne without throwing in such antriggering and upsetting topic like that, the writers went way too far imo

The only reason I can think of that they went with that angle was because they wanted that “war-time dramatic romance” that’s not uncommon to see in movies. But ofc, in throwing in their favorite tropes and new ideas, they didn’t spend time actually fleshing out how their characters might be perceived.

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