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chronologicalerrors

Crowley deserved answers.

(If we find out he taught the Ostrich to run, I'm rioting)

aziraphale-novak

hey @the-almighty-god explain this one

theroundbartable

Exactly what I've been saying!!!! They literally made the universe!

I somehow don't think God was responsible for the Fall. I also think it's weird that God said this at all, because 'the Earth was literally created to make the final war happen, so that Heaven and Hell get to settle things' (Gabriel, S.01, E.06 to Adam Young).

Which means, the earth had to have been created AFTER the Fall!

So, either I'm an idiot, or I'm missing something, because Aziraphale was working on the earth plan and told Crowley about it, while Crowley was still an angel and kickstarting the universe. (Cf. S.02, E.01) Aziraphale was also worried about Crowley getting in trouble for asking questions.

Which leads me to believe one of the following Things:

A) the Fall was already happening, Aziraphale knew the consequences of ones actions and kept quiet, unable to put Crowley's hopes down

B) the Fall was planned during the construction of the Earth.

B.1.) Aziraphale tried to warn Crowley and failed, since Aziraphale was involved in creating the Earth. He probably knew that something was up.

B.2.) Aziraphale was sent to make angels ask questions/ tempt them as you say. He didn't want to and felt guilty, but he did it anyway. Doing it to Crowley broke him. (I thought it was odd that he told Crowley about the plan, if they weren't supposed to know the ineffible plan. He could have kept quiet. Why did he tell Crowley in the first place?)

Theory A could imply that Crowley was the Archangel that was kicked out of heaven, lost his memories while others didn't etc etc.

Theory B implies that Aziraphale carries a guilt with him much worse than what he can bear. It would complicate things and elaborate why Crowley was too fast for him and why he felt tied to heaven if he was part of that war plan.

Theory C: what if it's a mix of both?

I personally believe that the entire Fall was staged by Metatron. Crowley never got to ask god questions. She would have let him.

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theroundbartable

I love how in season 1, Crowley shuts down the phone network and therefore cannot connect to Aziraphale.

Meanwhile, Aziraphale season 2: hey random phone from random gay dude I met in a graveyard, would you be so kind to connect to my phone in my bookshop? It's on the table.

You cannot tell me they actually needed phones. What the hell is this magic system?

#good omens #good omens 2 #phone network

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aspiring-spellcaster

I’ve been thinking about the first conversation Crowley and Aziraphale have “before the beginning”, specifically about how different Crowley already was from Aziraphale even as an angel…

When Aziraphale tells Crowley that the universe will all be “shut down” in about 6000 years we see that Crowley is shocked and disappointed by this information. (Side note: I wonder if Aziraphale feels partially responsible for Crowley’s fate since he was the one who told him about God’s plans in the first place which prompted Crowley to ask questions.)

Aziraphale then explains God’s plans for Earth but this just further upsets Crowley as he laments that the universe is not just some “fancy wallpaper” for humans to look at. Aziraphale is confused by his questions as though he’s never heard anyone disagree with God’s plans before (which he probably hasn’t).

As the conversation continues Aziraphale becomes visibly disturbed and flustered by Crowley’s ideas.

He even looks around to make sure no one has overheard them.

For some reason, Aziraphale seems to know something that Crowley doesn’t. He knows that questioning God and heaven are very bad ideas. Crowley however is wholly un afraid and does not heed Aziraphale’s warning.

He actually says “How much trouble can I get into just for asking a few questions?” And the look on Aziraphale’s face says it all.

Crowley really was so trusting almost to the point of naïveté. Not once did he consider the possibility that he would be punished for asking questions. I don’t know why this seems to be the case, perhaps to highlight how different present day Crowley is.

The comparison is truly heartbreaking. He and Aziraphale have now essentially switched roles.

Overall thoughts:

At first it would seem that Crowley was cast out of heaven because he lacked faith in God/heaven but I would argue the opposite. Crowley had so much faith in God that he trusted Them not to be angry at his questions. He trusted that God was decent enough to see that he only wanted to help. But God took that trust and crushed it. We’ve known since season one that Crowley feels betrayed by God, but that betrayal is made so much worse when we see how innocent Crowley was as an angel. An innocence that he can never get back.

theroundbartable

See? This is why I think that at this point, the Fall had already happened.

Of course I have no evidence, but I think Aziraphale knew. And I think Crowley may have hung with the other fallen, but all that did was encourage his questions.

And I think.... i think the reason why Aziraphale never moved on from this, is because he saw the angel Crowley was and decided that that's what heaven was always meant to be. He's holding on to that ideal, because it was right there. Right in front of him. Now that he knows that heaven is broken, he's fighting to get that back.

And he tried so hard to keep it alive within himself, this faith, this trust, because he feels it was taken from Crowley and he wants him to have that back. That happiness.

Aziraphale is many things, but selfish is none of them. He's doing it all for Crowley. Everything. The things he can't do specifically.

#good omens #good omens 2 #good omens meta

theroundbartable

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I thought it was odd that good omens season 2 focuses so much on Crowleys relationship to goats... But like.... I see the point.

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Crowley saw these little beasts, thought: oh man, you little guys have eyes like me. And then decided to save them by turning them into crows of all things. Definitely on purpose.

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(i was reminded of gravity falls and the goat who was rumored to have some kind of eldritch horror entity contained in itself or something... So yeah.)

In conclusion: crowley is a goat in sideways. Lel.

#good omens #good omens 2 #spoiler #Job #crowley #snake eyes #goats

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grntaire

“their miracle was so big bc crowley used to be an archangel” have u considered that aziraphale and crowley love each other so much that their love alone could move the tides just by staring at the ocean for too long. have u considered that they did the miracle not really to protect gabriel but to protect what they had, what they’d built with each other. and that was them barely even trying

grntaire

UM !!!!!! @theroundbartable

OKAY !!!!!

theroundbartable

Ok... First of all, I thought this was obvious. I also read a post that explained the color dynamic between Crowley and Aziraphale through the creation of the stars, because it's reds and blues and pink. And they could also only do it together, because someone had to hold the map. (The map didn't have any ups or downs. To Crowley the side didn't matter, but that implies other things.)

But if you think about it... It plays very deeply into the story of season 2.

And I would like to start by pointing out Crowleys comment that Job was allowed to ask his questions to god. Which was extraordinary!!!! And when job returned, he said to his wife: apparently you'll only get answers if you've created a whale. That's what he instinctively understood.

You know who was Part of the creating process? Crowley - the stars. Aziraphale - department for earth. Specifically the creation of humans.

You know who SHOULD have been allowed to ask questions? You know who would have gotten answers? You know who never got to talk to god directly? Crowley.

Thanks for reading:)

#good omens 2 #spoiler #meta

theroundbartable

Anyone else getting the feeling that by kissing Aziraphale, Crowley like... Blessed him or something? To protect him in heaven?

I keep thinking about it and it makes me wonder. Neil Gaiman said the kiss was about a lot of things, but it wasn't a declaration of love.

He can be a bit confusing, but even if it is that, too. It also has at l least one other function besides the declaration.

A part of me is even wondering if it's another body switch, kind of. Because the stern smile Aziraphale has in the elevator is the same one he wore right after Gabriel told him to "shut up and die". He hasn't really worn that expression in another situation. I don't believe that to be the case though, because then their interaction before the kiss would have been staged for Metatron and how would they have known Metatron had planned to intervene? Or did they? (I mean.... Season 1: too bad I can't posess your body. Demon and angel... We'd probably explode. Season 2. Gabriels mind fits in the fly. Foreshadowing?)

And I know, most theories say that Crowley would have known Metatron before the fall, because he recognized him... But i'm in doubt. Crowley had just been to heaven and seen the Gabriel trial, where Metatron's head was present. Then again, the trial held place with Michael and the other higher up angels and they didn't recognize him either. Only Crowley did.

Something is going in with Metatron. Whatever it is, it's fooling angels. (I mean, just saying. Metatron was supposed to be the only person who god talks to... Then why did god have a bet with satan? I'm not suggesting Metatron is satan, but have you ever seen them in the same room together? And how can it be that ONE archangel had been cast out, but Crowley was likely an archangel himself? Well... In heavy supported theory of course.)

My question is... How much does Crowley remember him doing? How much does he suspect and how do his current actions reflect that knowledge? What else did he figure out in heaven? What did he give Aziraphale with that kiss? I do think there was a quiet conversation going on between them, when Aziraphale stepped into the Elavator. And Aziraphale did hesitate in the bookshop before he agreed to follow Metatron to heaven. What if,... What if Crowley whispered something in his mind that is supposed to lead him through that whole "second coming" debacle?

What if Crowley didn't leave him fully. What if that's a charade, because Crowley needs to protect earth to keep it all going? And this is the believeable outcome? We didn't see his eyes when the kiss happened.

What if Aziraphale felt that Crowley gave him something that would make it impossible for him to ignore Crowley. Like a demonic blessing, something an Angel should not be given? What if that's what the "i forgive you was for?" What if Aziraphale understood only after all that?

What if the "don't bother" meant, "wait and see".

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antlerx-art

I think I have a natural talent for turning comedic scenes into angst

theroundbartable

I'm saying this with love:

Jesus Christ

#good omens 2 #spoiler #god damn this cuts deep

theroundbartable

Before time:

Aziraphale questioning how to hold the plan for the universel. Which way is up and all.

Crowley saying it doesn't matter.

A) it represents how there were no sides before time

B) it could also show that perhaps, we've got the right/wrong sides all wrong. Maybe it wasn't up and down, but what if heaven IS actually down, and asking questions was meant to be a reward. Doing what you want and all that.

..... Yeah. Anyway. Thoughts?

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