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30-SOMETHING. SHE/THEY. I POST BEATLES. MOSTLY PAUL. FREQUENT ARMCHAIR ANALYSIS. 18+ ONLY PLZ.
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undying-love

"I'm not writting a love song to him"

"Here Today was a love song about my relationship with him."(2001)

"It was a love song, really, not to John but a love song about John, about my relationship with him. (2004)

"Here Today is a love song to John." (2021)

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Lol, "not to John, but about John".

tbf the context is they’re talking specifically about “Maybe I’m Amazed” and Howard says he thinks that song was for John rather than Linda (iirc)

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Anonymous asked:

As a fellow Beatles fan (I assume), how do you still love the boys despite some of the bad things they have done, allegedly done, and/or are tied to but we don’t know if they have actually done?

I love them and their antics, but this trips me up every now and then

oh anon.

you correctly assume my fellowship.

we perhaps need a master post to link people to all the answers every beatles blog has to this same anonymous worry.

but my thought pattern is:

a) everyone's terrible it's not just the beatles

and by 'everyone' I mean men. I do get where you're coming from, I have my days, but at the same time it almost surprises me what a big issue this is for people, because all men are awful*. Pretty much any man put in the beatles situation would have been at least as awful - and many worse - than the Beatles.

I'm not saying that to mean 'so they're not that bad!' I'm saying it to mean that every man around you is as bad as they are. Yes even the modern ones. So the thing you're actually dealing with is 'the awful nature of men'... so it's hardly even a question about liking the Beatles and coping with that. It's just about existing in a world where you know what men are like - and coping with that. So you cope with it however you generally make peace with the fact that men don't like women very much... and if you struggle with that you have to read the books where we keep actual feminism, not tumblr.

b) it doesn't matter that much

your enjoyment of the beatles isn't going to bring about world ruination, you don't need to be some pure moral absolute, you're not going to hurt anyone by finding joy in some dickhead from the sixties! you don't pick your favourite with your moral compass, y'know? turning away from them isn't going to change anything that happened, or make anyone feel better, or even make you a better person with more inner peace. you're fine.

it's just about not getting defensive or pretending things didn't happen, or somehow arguing like it doesn't even matter that they hurt people because they could have been worse, or pretending it's all blown up from nothing. that's when fandom becomes a bit shit and ridiculous. it's just very possible to be aware of the terrible things the beatles did and still feeling the thrill of the universe flood through you when Paul screams.

* The bots will find me! The bots will "not all men!" me. You don't have to worry about it or do it yourself, the bots will do it. I will be suitably told off for generalising about the terrible menfolk who are statistically + anecdotally + factually definitely worse than the womenfolk, and I'll be reminded that just because it's true doesn't mean you can just say it, because we're meant to pretend. So you can just scroll by and not worry that I might not get told.

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Fine Tuning further listening

Mark Lewisohn Podcast and Interview Recs

Audio for most of these interviews can be found on Mark Lewisohn, a Beatles Historian, a beautifully maintained fan-made YouTube channel that has archived almost all of the interviews on this list. 

Interviews are linked directly to Apple podcasts, when possible. (YouTube links also included when applicable.)

Interview with Jean Louis-Polard, 2014 Topics of note: Neutrality and lack of bias

Fabcast podcast, 2017 013 MARK LEWISOHN (YouTube) Topics of note: The 80s and Paul McCartney’s solo career

Humans in Love podcast, 2018 #1 (Part One) Beatles Authority Mark Lewisohn Topics: Paul’s reaction to John’s murder

Fab4Cast podcast, 2019  Talking to Mark Lewisohn: #1 Writing The Beatles' History and #2 Spring 1969 (YouTube links: #1, #2) Topics: Heroin; Allen Klein; the Liberty Bell; John and Yoko’s wedding; Paul and Linda’s wedding

Nothing Is Real podcast, 2019 The Mark Lewisohn Interview #14 Part One and #15 Part Two  Topics of note: Tensions with Apple

Interview with Giljs Groenteman, 2019 Topics: Unbridled enthusiasm for John

I Am the EggPod podcast, 2019 The Star-Club tapes (YouTube) Topics: John’s leadership; intention to make all his research accessible after the books are published

From Me To You podcast, 2020 Mark Lewisohn In Conversation w/ Richard Courtney (YouTube link) Topics: Philip Norman; today’s “anti-John stuff” 

Let It Roll podcast, 2020 Mark Lewisohn in Conversation w/Nate Wilcox (YouTube) Topics: The “no greater buddy” incident; Lewisohn defending Paul

Let It Be Beatles podcast, 2020 Mark Lewisohn - The Complete 2020 Let It Be Beatles Interview Podcast (YouTube) Topics: The benzedrine incident; John’s threesome with Royston Ellis; the 444 meeting and Geoff Emerick.

Fans on the Run podcast, 2022 Ep 73. Mark Lewisohn  Topics: Working for Paul; tensions with Apple

I listened to the Nothing Is Real podcast and WOW. He is really, REALLY openly salty about Apple in Part 2. He may be right to feel that way, I guess, although his insistence that the Beatles should be GRATEFUL to him (??!?!?) and TRUST him because he's not "just some bloke" is a bit...? Like, bro, EVERYONE outside the inner circle is "just some bloke" to the Beatles. You are not special to them!!!!

Idk, it comes off weirdly entitled to me. Repeatedly insisting your work should be acknowledged as the ultimate of compliments... whatever. I think it's up to the recipient to determine whether something is a compliment or not. Also, your relationships with Neil and Derek are... totally irrelevant? to how the Beatles themselves should feel about you? When those advocates were gone, apparently it turned out that the Beatles and heirs themselves... don't like you too much, actually. Or trust you. Or feel "fortunate" to receive your "compliments." I understand that is disappointing and probably legit hurt your feelings, but people get to distrust whomever they want for whatever reason. And they are THEIR archives, which I assume they don’t just throw open to other authors either. So, what you’re complaining about is not getting special treatment (anymore). Not a great look.

Anyway, clearly this constitutes a significant conflict of interest. Common sense says it does, and certainly the official guidelines for professional historians says so too (as thoroughly illustrated in this post by mythserene.) 

Whatever. I don't know. Maybe Mark Lewisohn is totally unswayed by his own personal feelings. Maybe it's totally normal and professional for historians to call their subjects "you bastards" on the airwaves? (He called them bastards in another interview too; don’t remember which one.) But still, this is a MAJOR issue that needs to be kept in mind. This is all very very personal to him. By his own admission! We don't have to dismiss or condemn him for this, of course, but EVERYONE should keep it in mind.

Here are the bits of the NIR podcast I found most blatant, between minute 24 and 32. My own transcript of that portion is below cut. (Bolding for emphasis is mine. Italics reflect speakers' tone of voice.)

"I think they are fortunate to have anyone write their biography in this way."

"It's the ultimate in flattery for the Beatles... if only they knew it."

"I'm trying to write the book that matches that Truth, in every sense, as the ultimate of compliments to them."

"So it's the ultimate compliment to them, and it grieves me that this is not recognized by them."

"Anyone who reads [the trilogy] will understand the Beatles in a way that they couldn't get that understanding in any other form."

"Now people [at Apple] have agendas and I'm someone's agenda."

"My biggest beef with Apple these days is the cowardice of how they've operated with me." 

"George took against me---which was just ludicrous,  cuz you know, he charged me with offenses I'd never done."

"You bastards. I'm trying to write your book here." "I thought, 'Mm! Right, now I know who I'm dealing with here.' But it's so unnecessary, it's so ridiculous. I'm trying to write their story and they're stopping me. And I'm someone that they can trust and did trust. I'm not just some bloke they don't know."

Transcript starting from minute 24 below cut:

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Robert Fraser may have been a controversial personality, his flaws and mistakes, some notorious, but he was also a handsome, intelligent and cultured man and undeniably important and dear to Paul McCartney.

His early death due to AIDS should be a reason for compassion and not malice or cruelty. Unfortunately, humanity has not yet learned that only through love and compassion for all living beings, Planet Earth will be a good place to live and we will all be happier.

#personal

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