Im so mad at the pjo for… existing tbh. The movies did not destroy the chances for a good faithful adaptation to be made one day, but the Disney show did. Disney had a good budget, great actors, and most importantly, an already established fanbase. A fanbase so loyal to Rick, that they refuse to admit that the show is JUST NOT GOOD. But again they are so loyal to it simply bc Rick’s association an approval is attached to it. I think the fandom would be more critical of it if Rick’s name was removed. And now even if another studio or company were to pick up the story, it would simply be dismissed by the fandom. Even if it was more loyal and true adaptation to the books. So tragic tbh.
I saw some Charlie Bushnell pics IRL. How the fuck does he have more Luke vibes when out of character than when he's actually playing Luke? That's a very odd directing choice,IMO. I feel kinda lonely,as a Luke Castellan fan,for not liking his show characterization,but him being so soft kinda ruins him to me. Even his morally bankrupcy makes him such a tragic character in the books,IMO. Making some sassy remarks about the gods,lashing out at Percy and having sad eyes can't hold a candle to years-long corrosive anger,being vulnerable to toxic ideologies and shitty authority figures,arguable need for validation(Luke said he got praised by Kronos in TLT,felt angry at Percy for mentioning Hermes wasn't going to give up on him,and even while hosting Kronos,he managed to call out Chiron for claiming that "the gods cared about me" - breaking Kronos' third person speech).
If you ask me, disney ruins every villain it touches. We were talking about it with some mates yesterday, from the moment they started doing those "villain centred" films, they lost track of how to write (or adapt) a good villain
The whole point of luke is that he has a set of ideals, founded mostly in resentment, and he'll give up anything (and anyone) for them. He's young, he's manipulable (more than most 17 to 19 y/os who claim "I would never" realise), and he fucked up
He didn't fuck up bc he was innocent, tho, he fucked up bc he hated the gods, he hated being treated like a weapon, and let's face it, he'd go to any length to get recognition for himself and his fellow demigods. Those lengths include murdering his peers "for the greater good"
In the books, we follow percy's opinion of luke: "this bitch who betrayed us for no reason!" And only after ages we find out about luke's past, which matches percy's arc maturing and realising not everything is black or white. In the show they already gave away luke's past which made him too much of a poor little meow meow from the beginning, and frankly, made him a boring ass villain
still annoyed about percy knowing everything in the show. part of what made him relatable is that he clearly didn’t know much about mythology. that didn’t make him stupid! it just made him a normal person who didn’t know about a particular topic like come onnn
rick riordan you became the thing you swore so much to destroy. why change some of these things in the show??? the thing im most angry about is that the changes are either purely nonsensical or just done poorly
theyve completely eliminated the books sense of urgency, like theres no stakes on anything. you can miss the deadline and everythings fixed with a little talk with zeus. you recognize medusa and crusty and the lotus hotel right out of the gate, and obviously the only conclusion is that kronos is behind everything even though hes supposed to be locked in the deepest part of tartarus and youre a 12yo who just got thrown into this life and is just learning that monsters are real. fights are over in 30 seconds and theres no injuries or consequences except for an off screen comment on how you lost your bag or maybe a new stain on your shirt. theyre 12 but also they know everything there is to know about the greek myths.
in the books they learn and realize things as they go! its the experiences that change percy and grover and annabeth and things are supposed to be HARD because theyre kids!!! and they were sent on a mission they shouldnt have been sent on, but they get through it with each other and with a sense of comedy because theyre fucking kids! yea theyre gonna almost die and then say hello to gladiola the pink poodle, and play hacky sack on the bus stop, and stuff themselves with cheeseburgers every chance they get bc kids arent supposed all knowing and mature all the time
you cant promise a faithful adaptation of a book and then change the basic things that made the book be loved in the first place
Readriordan is testing my patience today btw.
Oh you're having a hard time seeing adaptations of your work but you're fine with butchering your story for Disney money huh.
Oh you care/know what the fans of the book love huh. Are you gonna react to the fans of the book hating the hell out of your show. Huh? No? Oh I wonder why.
That annoys me so, so much about him. He’s all “no I don’t watch any adaptation” and then destroys his story and characters bc disney thinks they’re not pure enough to be watched by children?
Rick should choose a side: either he cares about accuracy in adaptations of his works, or he doesn’t give af and accepts everything as based-on but not exactly the same!
did u delete ur latest post regarding rick giving leah a lackluster script?
Hi! Yeah, it needed rewording & more examples but if you don't mind I'll use your ask as a reason to talk about it! Annabeth is my favorite girl and I feel very passionate about how easily she could be dealt a better script.
Under read more because I go on a tangent.
okay so i don't really want to keep saying "in the books they did xyz" but in the books, percy said hades is the first god he met that actually looked and acted like a god. and i mention this because the show's introduction of hades EERILY reminded me of how he was introduced in the godforsaken movie, with the palace itself looking scary and haunting, and a regular funney guy just appears onscreen and goes "hi. i'm hades :)" so i'm just thinking. for a show that the author claims is nothing like the movie, they sure are making a lot of the same mistakes.
I've been thinking about the luke betraying percy scene again and the scene itself isn't too bad, although they made it obvious disney wants luke to be redeemable, you know the whole "I didn't want to kill you (lol forgive me about the tartarus shoes heh) just wanted to ask you to join", I could have forgiven that bc it's disney and I'm resigned to disney fucking up perfectly villainous characters
buuuuuuut they absolutely ruined annabeth's character's flaw of believing in luke beyond reason!! she already doesn't trust him enough to keep an eye on clarisse herself while he talks to percy, how's she going to trust him enough to hold the sky for him? to believe he'll make the right choice in the end? show annabeth would stab the motherfucker herself, she wouldn't let luke take the dagger
sorry I really wish I could be happier with the show but the 'details' they changed aren't details at all
luke making no mention of his failed quest or thalia during his little speech to percy is my villain origin story
i still can't believe the LA Times article/interview just. openly admits that the show intentionally, from the beginning, fully removed Gabe being abusive and overtly made him just a nosy loser. Percy's relationship with Gabe is so important to how he navigates the world and the themes of the series. Percy's first monster is in his own home. He uses wards against evil against his step-father and they work. He has overt PTSD that colors his interactions with Mr. D and is why he's so antagonistic towards him for like four books. It isn't until Percy is able to move past his trauma and how Mr. D reminds him of Gabe that he sees Mr. D for who he actually is and understand him and begin to empathize with him. Heck, even into HoO we see Percy having visceral reactions to implications of alcohol/drinking because of Gabe. Everything about Percy's home life colors him as a character. His trauma and PTSD informs his perspective and they explicitly removed his PTSD in the show.
They removed Percy's PTSD. They brush over his experiences as a neurodivergent/disabled kid after the first episode and turned Sally into an Autism Speaks mom. Why. On what planet was that a reasonable change to be made.
It is weird because as much as the show info dumps, it also fully expects you to have read the books if you want the full context for important details and character goals/motivations.
I know from the books that blue candy and blue food is one of Sally's wordless rebellions against Gabe, and that it was a representation of the special bond between her and Percy: them against the world. The show has blue candy but never indicates why it's significant. I guess if I were a show-only viewer I would assume its an inside joke?
I know from the books that Grover blames himself for Thalia's death and Sally's death. That he "failed" in bringing Percy to camp (since Percy saved him) and joining Percy's quest was his last chance to redeem/prove himself and only then if they succeeded would Grover get his searcher's license in order to begin his journey to find Pan. Meanwhile in the show, Grover voices that he doesn't have a searcher's license but he never indicates why he doesn't. Since he succeeded in bringing Percy to camp in show, you would assume that him receiving his license is no longer contingent on that and the show never really indicates otherwise. The show doesn't really touch on Grover's guilt over his perceived failures in-depth either. Then in the finale he has his license. I guess we assume its a reward?
Like. If I hadn't read the book, a lot of the meaning behind these details or how exactly we got from Point A to Point B are lost in translation when they shouldn't be.
i find it interesting how they never explicitly discussed annabeth’s regret…why make it such a high stakes scene in the previous episode if you’re not going to follow through with it?
I fully do not understand why Sally was with Gabe if they removed his smell and her actively killing him. Why was he there then? Would have made more sense for Sally to hook up with Medusa imo. Shoulda just removed Gabe from the show
No because if you haven't read the book, the show never tells you why Sally was with Gabe in order to protect Percy via smell, they don't include any of the conversations between Percy and Sally about Gabe and Percy asking why she's with him, in fact they don't touch at all on Sally's arc of finding herself again and the power of her being able to leave him... because getting rid of Gabe via petrification is her only out in the book.
Literally what we get in the show is: Sally's in a shitty marriage with a shitty guy -> oh they're getting a divorce now. Like congrats, you've sanitized the everliving hell out of this story line. Now its a mere shadow of itself and has none of its original power and significance. You could remove show Gabe entirely and it would practically have no effect.
unforgivable disney sins of the pjo finale:
- percy didn't say 'thalia died for you' and luke being all fucking pissed
- what the shit do you mean sally did not purposefully murder gabe? that was her finest fucking moment ffs
QUE??? COMO QUE NO LO MATA SALLY???? HIJOS DE PUTA DISNEY CAGON
nanananana acá se fueron de mambo, what the fuck did they do to the betrayal scene. why's annabeth there? the idea's she doesn't want to believe it until she sees it! and why didn't luke mention thalia?
disney is so disney that they brought back the ‘97 hercules hades instead of pjo hades 😡😡