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How Would The Dead Targaryens React To Robert's Rebellion?

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Aegon:

Visenya:

Rhaenys:

Maegor:

Jaehaerys: F:cking Baratheons

Also Jaehaerys: Everyone on this family that doesn't have silver hair can F_CK right off 😡! Not you Baelor 🤗❤️

Prince Baelor:

Princess Rhaenys (TQWNW):

Daemon:

Also Daemon: I am fine. I am fine.

Also also Daemon: I am not fine! Not f_cking fine! This is NOT what Laenor was killed for! This was NOT what Harwin was killed for! This was NOT why I was putting up with Rhaenyra for! I am DONE! DONE! I can't anymore! None of you deserve what I have right here! NONE!

Laenor: Will no one DO anything about what he just said?! 😡

Jaehaerys: You are technically not a Targaryen.

Baelon:

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Anonymous asked:

Everytime I read fire and blood, I can't imagine how dirty Rhaenys tqwnw was done. Not only Jaehaerys skipped her as heir, he then made an election where sexist pigs were allowed to vote. Obviously he knew what he was doing, Vaegon knew what he was doing and all knew the outcome of the 101 council. Why would Jaehaerys choose a weak Walserys as his heir though. Could have at least trained him for the role of king eventually, since Aemon's death.

Btw do we know what Daenerys thinks of Rhaenyra

On top of my head I'm going to go with Jaehaerys was interested in keeping his male line on the throne, just out of the top of my head. Trying to impose modern values and views on characters from another universe similar to Medieval Europe would not be the best thing to do imho. Also very unfortunately, since Westeros was mostly ruled by "sexist pigs" they would be the ones choosing, yes. Definitely Jaehaerys wouldn't say "My lords, actually your wives get the vote." Hum... actually going by Alicent, maybe that would have been even worse for Rhaenys.

I think Jaehaerys did this because he wanted to wash his hands from another choice.

As for Viserys, we don't know what kind of preparation he had, just as we don't know if and what preparation Rhaenys had. We also don't know how successful of a ruler she would have been, but what I saw during the Dance and before was Corlys taking center stage a LOT, and Rhaenys kind of being in the background for the most part - except in the Battle of Rook's Rest.

I would argue, however, that having good preparation to rule, or even, being a good ruler, doesn't mean you'll be successful at handling your family, just as Alysanne and Jaehaerys very successfully proved; and actually you can have limitations as a ruler yet be very successful at managing a family - like Rhaenyra and Daemon very successfully proved with their children.

If you want to talk about how dirty Rhaenys was done, I think you can start by bringing up her husband having not one but two bastard children with a woman younger than their daughter and then passing those same children as her grandsons and sons of her dead son.

Now that's being done dirty. But most of y'all just hate Jaehaerys and aren't ready for this convo.

Not. At. All.

No, we don't. Rhaenyra is barely mentioned in the main asoiaf books and I believe there's no scene of Daenerys considering her - which is curious given Rhaenyra's importance and how much she and Dany have in common, but again, just comes to show how George didn't have a whole lot figured out/thought of at the time.

We do have two characters who mention her though.

The first one to mention her is Stannis Baratheron, to call her a usurper and to point out how usurpers need to be punished no matter who they are - I love this part especially since he's s descendent of hers. Thank the gods Rhaenyra was Rhaenyra and not a robot, sir, or you wouldn't be here. #cancelled

The second one is Arianne who is... pretty much trying to compare herself to Rhaenyra when it's like... lady *sigh* you aren't even close.

Some people would say Arianne would be like "You like Rhaenyra? Oh, name her first album". But actually given how George changed the story and characters of the Dance since then... we are pretty much talking about a character with significant differences from the one Arianne is trying to compare herself with - and even then there's not much to go by. Like I don't know what Arianne thought the Dance was about, but it wasn't about some 20+ year old saying "Daddy Love me!" and trying to get his attention by acting a fool. Arianne had daddy issues, Rhaenyra had uncley issues. They weren't the same.

I would actually say that if Arianne said this Rhaenyra would be like "Arianne *sigh* first of it's not samples that you have to give it to everyone, and second, you don't know me. Girl, bye, I'm TeamDany. Bye!"

Arianne:

Rhaenyra:

*Dragonstone

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Anonymous asked:

How did the Targaryen afterlife react to Alicent saying "Mayhaps the whore will die in childbirth" about Rhaenyra?

Aemma:

Alyssa:

Also Alyssa:

Baelon:

Jaehaerys:

Alysanne: Good to know she used to be your handmaiden, Jaehaerys, and that you mistook her for our daughter. Good to know.

Maegelle:

Daella: I'm too delicate to hear these terrible words! Does no one care about my delicate sensitivity?!

Viserys:

Aemma to Viserys: The c_nt you chose to marry and turn my daughter's life into hell!

Aegon I *realising what his House has turned into*:

Orys:

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Anonymous asked:

Bit outside your usual wheelhouse but why does this fandom seem under the impression that male primogeniture wasn’t a thing with the Targaryen’s until big sexist meanie Jaehaerys came along? Well it is obvious that the power and influence of targ women waned as the generations went on, it was never on equal footing. Aegon was clearly the one in charge of the conqueror trio, and just one generation later Aenys names Aegon the uncrowned heir over older sister Rheana. It definitely baffles me that the entire fandom who loves to call out Jaehaerys for his misogyny seems to completely forget that and never gives Aenys crap over it. Instead the fandom narrative seems to be that sexism in the targ dynasty didn’t start until Jaehaerys “usurped” Rheana.

I'm with you, and I will add that actually having a Great Council and giving Rhaenys a chance by letting the lords pick instead of naming Viserys was quite progressive of him.

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Anonymous asked:

How did the Targaryen afterlife, including Viserys I, respond to the Greens letting the king’s corpse to rot while they stole the throne from the rightful heir?

Baelon:

Alyssa:

Jaehaerys:

Alysanne:

Aemma: This is what you get for marrying that snake and making my baby girl have to put up with her.

Rhaenys: Aegon, what is happening to our family?!

Aegon:

Finally, 😂

Viserys reacting to his own body rotting and the chaos unfolding:

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Anonymous asked:

How would the Targaryen afterlife react to Baelor imprisoning his sisters in the Maidenvault?

General Reaction of House Targaryen:

Aegon I:

Jaehaerys:

Baelon:

Rhaenyra: I am so DONE with men!

Alysanne:

Daemon: No... No... No, it can't be! NO!

Daemon: This was NOT what Laenor died for! This was NOT what Harwin Strong died for! Do these men's lives mean nothing to you PUNK! And you call yourself a man of the Seven, Baelor?!!!! I am DISGUSTED AT THIS!

Laenor:

Harwin:

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Anonymous asked:

LMAO the only big conversations in this fandom are:

1. What a hot badass Prince Daemon is

2. Rhaenyra is a true Queen, Alicent is a crazy bitch

3. Queen Rhaenys and her “adultery” 😂

Anon, I wish 1 and 2 were true XD boy how I wished they were true! Most conversations in this fandom involve:

1. Why is Daemon a p🐻dophile sociopath except when he’s with Laena or Nettles (in those moments he turns into this amazing guy). 

2. Why Rhaenyra is just as bad if not worse than Aegon II and absolutely dumb for picking a non-Valyrian looking lover.

3. Why Rhaenyra and Laenor are amazing BFFs and he “saved” her and they have this great marriage 

4. Why Jaehaerys is the devil and 100000x times worse than Ramsay and Euron combined

5. Yes, Queen Rhaenys and her “adultery” 

6. Why the Great Council of 101 AC happened 

7. Why Criscel is this AMAZING GUY and just like Jaime

8. Ah and then “theories” 

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Anonymous asked:

I don't know why but when reading F&B Rhaena's character seemed more real(for lack of a better word) to me than Jaehaerys and Alysanne. Probably because George pushes this "Jaehaerys & Alysanne wisest ruling couple of westeros" thing too much. What do you think?

Hi there Anon!

Personally I agree that sometimes it - for back of a better term - "bothers" me how perfect Jaehaerys and Alysanne are presented as being by the writer, almost as a bit of a Maery Sue and Gaery Stu (see what I did there?). It's almost like to a degree they can do no wrong. They are just perfect selfless people only worried about the good of the Realm and yeah... this was especially obvious to me in the beginning of their story. As it progressed I felt it got significantly better and we do see far less positive things about them both, which I really appreciate as they started to feel more human. Nonetheless, although both of them have some very reproachable actions - I mean how OOC is Alysanne in her dealings with Viserra?! Like Alysanne, show us on the doll where Viserra hurt you - I feel the "but they are so amazing and good and pure!" keeps being pushed and pushed, which is not true of other characters who although they really aren't THAT bad or aren't doing something THAT different from what others did, are being thrown under the bus. Like an AMAZING Anon once pointed out in my blog, comparing Jaehaerys wanting to kill (and killing actually) the "Stinger" for "dishonouring" Saera vs. Rhaenyra wanting to kill Nettles for having an affair with her husband Prince Daemon. While his action is presented as brave/justice/heroic, Rhaenyra's is presented as her being a tyrant/deranged/cruel and a justification for several lords to turn on her.

And if anyone brings age up, by this point Nettles was around 17 at least I believe. Braxton Beesbury was 19. While in many mouths Nettles is called a "child", do remember these are the same group of people who married off 13 year olds - didn't see anyone in Westeros shedding a tear when Aemma was married at 11 to Walserys, or when Walserys had Helaena married at 13, and no one cried in outrage when Viserys II was married off at 12 - and also didn't see any outrage at how young Luke and Jace were so shut up Westeros because age is only convenient when we are trying to make someone look bad and push an agenda. Also, great job Alysanne in going from 0 to 100 because Daella was a mother at 18 but being quiet when Aemma was pregnant by 14 and was a mother at 15.

And this isn't me trying to hate on Alysanne! I still do love her but I am calling out fine hypocrisy as I see it - and hypocrisy on turtle man's part as well!!!

#Queengooff!

On a side note I do appreciate and understand the difference of the Stinger being given a trial (of sorts...) at least, whilst Nettles was just going to be murdered and that was that. Still my point it, never is Jaehaerys's desire to kill Stinger shown in a bad light. He's always shown as being in the right.

Going to Rhaena now, unlike her siblings, she feels human from the get go. She's selfish to a degree, stubborn, proud, hot-tempered, many times does what she wants not what she is told, she's defiant, she seeks pleasure where she can... I particularly appreciate her relationship with Aerea as it shows well what so often happens in real life that while parents can love us sometimes they don't particularly "like" us and have a hard time knowing how to deal and connect to us. So again, very human. Very relatable.

This all aside and for what Westeros needed at the time Jaehaerys was the best choice. Yes I know y'all hate him, I am sorry about saying this, but it's true. He was the sort of man (yes emphasis on man because it's Westeros) that the Seven Kingdoms wanted and needed.

To end this with something to make Jae haters happy, let's just go back to Rhaena and smile as we remember how she turned Rogar "Little B:tch" Baratheon into a little b:tch and he just stood there and took it 🤗

Love you, Queen! Take this: 👑

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Anonymous asked:

Imagine if first 2 children of Jaehaerys and alysanne have lived. Then we would have Aegon-daenerys as the next king and queen with no questions asked. I think jae-alysanne wouldn't have any child after viserra then (Gaemon, valerion and gael). This was quite uneasy to read that alysanne was giving births the same time her daughters were pregnant. In case of aegon and dany living they will have their children by 70 ac and then alysanne wouldn't give anymore birth. Also more dragons will be born.

Hi there :D

Hum... honestly I don't think they kept popping them out because they were afraid they would run out of kids. I honestly think those two just didn't know about some basic contraceptive measures like pulling out XD

And Anon, to further give you nightmares I want to suggest this:

You're welcome ❤

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Anonymous asked:

Hi, baelon-alyssa are surely stuff of dreams. But I won't say jae-aly as overrated infact they were much more real. Highschool sweethearts who grew old together. Shared every joy and tear and let's not forget they had 13 children. "I'm old king yet you are still good queen" this had me in tears. Also Daemyra is made unnecessarily tragic by grrm and I stand by my earlier statement that like in dany case there was no need for a stupid affair with some nobody from nowhere. Unnecessary sex quotient

Hi there, sorry for the delay!

I still think Jae and Aly are overrated when compared to Baelon and Alyssa. While they were together for many years, and I do like them, so many times they just come across like they didn't discuss their ideas with each other and didn't really talk about things.

I know couples that function like this and like, good for them, but that's just conflict waiting to come out and arguments waiting to happen. I find people like this absolutely infuriating and I have no patience. Not speaking your mind and sharing your feelings will almost ALWAYS lead to trouble, and for Jae and Aly it definitely did. Good on them for working through their issues, but it's painful to see how much resentment Alysanne had at certain points. Compared to them, Baelon and Alyssa seemed to have true intimacy, to talk to each other, and to not take the other too serious. Yes, they are not nearly as developed as their parents, but I would argue those two (aside from the incest) have nothing to not like. They just feel so laid back, so at ease with each other... they are the kind of couple I like to be around irl. They are just... natural.

Yeah... I agree that a lot about Daemyra and the way they worked out was plot convenience (like Rhea Royce's whole existence) that does feel forced and... unnatural at certain points. Like many things in Fire and Blood, in their story at times it's like the plot is leading the characters instead of the characters leading the plot. And I am firm believer that the second is the much better sort of story.

I still stand by the fact that I do like that they were apart and eventually returned to each other.

There is something rather romantic about it. About that one person whose path will always cross with yours. Like fate wants you to be together. And fate did want them together so they could give us sweet baby cheeks Aegon and MVP Viserys (and so they could continue the Targaryen line).

All the best to you 🤗

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Anonymous asked:

Why is it that those targaryens who married for "love" force others into a loveless match.

Alysanne and Jaehaerys married for love. As did Baelon. Forced Daemon to marry Rhea Royce(did they like/love each other. I don't think so.) Viserra was given horrible match. No logical reasoning for it.

Viserys ii married Alic*nt for love(liessss). Forced Rhaenyra with Laenor of all things(not homo shaming but anyone other than him would do.)

Viserys was greatly irritated when Daemon married Laena and then Rhaenyra. Like this bitch has been hibernating since he was born. Only comes out of his hibernation when Daemon/Rhaenyra finally do something right(each other, in this case).

Viserys iii liked Larra Rogare and look what he did to his own daughter.

Aegon v did the same with his and it backfired on him spectacularly. For someone who is so applauded in ASOIAF, he seems to not care about his children or their opinion. Only after they rebelled, did he stfu.

Jaehaerys and Shaena married for love and cursed poor Rhaella with Aerys. Did they not care for her at all? It is said to be known that Rhaella protested and the siblings were quite chilly with each other. What do you think.

Also With each passing generation the female targaryens seem more and more worthless. What is your opinion on this.

Hi there Anon, 🤗

First things first "Like this bitch has been hibernating since he was born. Only comes out of his hibernation when Daemon/Rhaenyra finally do something right(each other, in this case)."

You made me laugh so much 😂😂😂😂 THANK YOU!

I definitely see the merit in your argument, though I would mention that there were a number of "love matches" that Jaehaerys and Alysanne allowed: Aemon and Jocelyn, Baelon and Alyssa, Vaegon and Books, Daella and Rodrik (everyone I know this dude was old, but Daella had daddy issues so leave her be), Rhaenys and Corlys (friendly reminder they had the same age difference that Daella and Rodrik had). Then I mean... I wouldn't call Viserys and Aemma a love match but they appeared to get along well enough with each other, at least they weren't Daemon/Rhea XD #goodenough

Another small correction would be that while Viserys II liked Larra, he was made to marry her, at 12. And consummated the marriage. At 12.

Larra, can I just:

So while him - by him I am inclined to say his pre-teen hormones *takes deep breath* - liked Larra, it was not like he was given a choice to marry her unlike Jaehaerys and Alysanne, Walserys and Alicent, Aegon V and Betha, and Jaehaerys II and Shaera.

Where all the rest are concerned though, including Alysanne and Jaehaerys regarding Viserra, yes I absolutely agree that it's f_cking rich, and hypocrisy at its finest.

Here you go Jae and Aly, Walserys, Aegon V, Jaehaerys II, just write your name and date and you are all set:

On a final note, going back to this "when Daemon/Rhaenyra finally do something right(each other, in this case)" absolutely yes that the best thing these two did was procreate as their sons were better rulers than either of them could ever hope to be in their wildest dreams. So petition to give full charge of Westeros to someone with brains - I suggest Rhaenys and Corlys - and to just let Rhaenyra and Daemon be free to occupy themselves with something that actually helps Westeros - each other aka making children. I am sure neither will mind as long as people keep calling them "Your Grace" and assuring them they are Queen and Prince Consort.

All the best to you, Anon, and thank you for making me laugh so much 😂😂

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Anonymous asked:

Unpopular Opinion : Jaehaerys sucks so bad. Idk why Grrm says he's the fav. He messed up one of the most important things to a king-choosing of an heir. Not to mention all the other BS he did.

Unpopular opinion: Jaehaerys was much more grey than I think George realizes, still he doesn't deserve all the hate he gets from this fandom because he was still MILES better than most characters we read about in F&B.

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Anonymous asked:

Reading Fire and Blood again. Just saw another Daenerys, who unfortunately died so soon.

Do you think Jaehaerys was glad she died as he wouldn't have to quarrel with Alysanne about who would be the heir. I know it sounds cold but it sounds exactly like Jaehaerys.

Hi there!

Anon... 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ glad that she died? Seriously?!

Are you really asking me if I think that Jaehaerys was the type of man who would have been glad his daughter who he loved - read about his reaction when she was born - died so it saved him the trouble of having a quarrel with Alysanne?

Short answer: no absolutely not.

If that's what you think great. I 1000% disagree. And I got nothing more to add. It's so far from the type of man I read about, from the type of man F&B presents us, I don't understand how people could ever consider it.

All the best to you.

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Fancast ideas for Jaehaerys and alysanne (in their last decade), Rhaenys, Corlys, Baelon and

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Hi there!

Hum... I have a lot of trouble fancasting characters for two main reasons. One, I am an annoying nit-picker who wants the actors to look as close to the characters as possible and goes as far as to be bothered if a character was meant to have green eyes and they have blue eyes instead - looking at you HP - so as you can imagine, it’s a once in a blue moon thing that I think someone is an accurate representation of a character. Then, adding to this, Targaryens are especially hard to cast because they are meant to be otherworldly beautiful and I think no human can match them. Thus, any casting choice will in itself fall short. That being said, some can be closer to what the characters should look like than others. And some can just be a straight up NO! Y’all know who I am talking about no need to spell out the obvious 😌

All of this is why I mostly prefer art and illustrations rather than using real people, and thank the Seven that there are so many super talented artists giving us all reality can't 🥰 I imagine most characters of asoiaf as some artist or another drew them, not as actor X or Y.

But you want some fancasts so let me pull up my sleeves.

I will admit I never considered who could play Jaehaerys or Alysanne, especially  in their older years. This is especially hard for me because I don’t know that many older actors, but I prefer to be a “can” popcorn rather than a “can’t” so I did some research on google to try and answer this one. Hey, it’s not much but still better than saying “No freaking idea”.

Starting with Alysanne, because ladies first, I think Eva Marie Saint could be a good choice, when she was younger and older. Very delicate features. A very royal look to her. And not a very tall woman for what I could gather (1.63 m).

And she aged very well! Can you believe she is currently 97?! WOW! Yes far too old compared to Alysanne but oh well XD they aged faster back in the day I guess 🤷‍♀️ Older actors are hard ok?! Leave me be.

For the Old King: Clint Eastwood, both in his younger and older days. Very handsome man - as any proper Targaryen should be - imposing presence as a king should have. I also think he would be very good at portraying Jaehaerys’s harsher and more unforgiving side very well and at making people not like him at times.

Definitely looks like the Old King on this one. A wise look in my opinion. He’s only missing the braid.

For Rhaenys TQWNW I have thought about before, yes, and I love the choice of Gal Gadot for a young Rhaenys. Has the dark hair of a Baratheon and is tall as well. Not to mention very fine and delicate features as befits any Targaryen. That would be the actor that most resembles how I picture Rhaenys. For an older Rhaenys hum... maybe just age Gal XD

Fierce and stunning like a true Targaryen should be!

For Corlys I would say Gary Oldman and shout out to Longclaw_1_6 over on AO3 who actually suggested him as a fancast and I definitely agree! I can’t even explain why but I get major old scoundrel vibes from him. He also has a very noble look to him idk and at the same time kind of a “nerdy” look that contrasts to how gorgeous Rhaenys would be - I like to think he won her over by his sweet words and seduction skills more than by his looks XD. I think he could make both a good young Corlys - in his younger years - and old Corlys - if only there were time machines that is 😂 Not to mention that Gary is such a GREAT actor!

As for Baelon. Hum... I think Heath Ledger would be the closest to how I picture the Spring Prince. A very handsome, almost beautiful man but masculine at the same time, with a boyish look to him and some curls! My headcanon is that Baelon had curly hair 🤗 Unfortunately the very talented Heath is no longer with us 😔 but a girl can still dream.

And... that’s it I guess!

All this aside though, and I will still maintain that fanart >>>>>>>> fancasts.

All the best to you 🤗

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Anonymous asked:

So, guess what Jaehaerys and Laenor had in common?

They both liked men and chose them over better women.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

They both preferred men no doubt 😌 that being said I stan it on Laenor's case. I do be preferring the gentlemen any day of the week, so I get where he's coming from. And we stan a man not being afraid to show his sexuality! Good on you Laenor!!!!!

That being said, if he wanted quality why the hell wasn't he trying his luck with Daemon?! He would be the only one close to Rhaenyra quality wise, though our princess was still the hotter one 😌

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Anonymous asked:

Why is Jaehaerys Martin's favorite king? Can someone explain this please.

Apparently Martin prefers kings who choose peace over war. But war or violence is a necessity sometimes. You cannot win your independence with mere negotiations. Some level of threat of violence is necessary. Even today (I will not take names, let's just say country A and B), country A send their extensive armies with weapons to kill terrorists in country B for it's safety etc. In fire and blood, it is stated that aenys fled with his family to dragonstone after the faith nearly killed them in their own house. 😐😐😐. How can you not choose violence then. A king fleeing his own home capital is not a good sign at all.

Jaehaerys was a pos man. What Martin is saying makes no sense. Maybe that's a difference of opinion between people of first world and third world nations. Anyways back to Jaehaerys. How he treated his sister wife, daughters, grand daughter really just says it all. Sure people talk about alysanne constantly but what the 2 of them did was paltry. after Aenys/Maegor combo, they probably looked like saints. Even Maegor the cruel named his grand niece his heir over. Sur ehis tax policy was good, but man sowed the first seeds of the dance when he appointed the god forbidden Otto Hightower as his hand. And then walserys had to go marry the B! T¢H.

If all the targaryens considered him the gold standard, no wonder they were deposed after 15 kings. Love that none of rheanyra's kids were not named after him.

Sorry for the rant, I just couldn't keep it down any longer.

Hi there, Anon! And again sorry for the delay!

Anon, don't let me stop you. Go off 😂😂😂👏👏👏

As much as I love Jaehaerys, and I still don't think he was a pos man, I do agree with a lot of your points about him and George's takes. I also have some doubts that George fully understands how problematic he made Jaehaerys in many instances, as he still maintains what a great king he was. But I am not inside his head so 🤷‍♀️

You are absolutely right when you say that sometimes choosing peace is not (and should not be) an option, even when it is for personal reasons. Should we just let someone take something that is ours? Should we choose to close our eyes to injustice because we don't want trouble? It's usually said that bad things happen when good people do nothing, so how much should we look the other way regardless of what it will cost us?

For the most part though, I don't know how much of this was true of Jaehaerys. While he tried to be peaceful, he was not shy from going to battle when necessary. He wasn't like his father that ran from conflict at all costs.

That all said, we will NEVER forgive him for Otto 😂😂😂

Well out of her five boys Rhaenyra only had a say in the two she had with Daemon (f_ck you Corlys and Laenor; Daemon, sweetie, you deserve the world this is why you are Daddy Daemon), and she did name one for freaking Walserys 😂😂😂

Aegon - named for the Conqueror

Viserys - named for Walserys

Tell me you have a favourite without telling me you have a favourite XD I'm totally kidding, I like that she named MVP Viserys for her father who she loved - still better than being named for your "father's" former fling l:l. And Viserys is one of my favourite valyrian names ever so points to you RhaeBae!

Please rant anytime I did really enjoy it!

Happy New Year to you 🥰 and take this: 👑

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