Y'ALL STEPHEn JUST STraight Up asked About rey and KYLo HhhHh (also with finn!)

ALSO KYLO IS SO HOT???

wait and see ^^ .... I sure plan on seeing it !

MSW Clarifies some of their recent spoilers and speculation. Some of it is very interesting. We’ll see if it pans out!

In particular, regarding Rey’s buns balls:

Cheers! And remember, believe nothing but have fun with everything ;)

📷  | @jjabrams: It feels impossible, but today wrapped photography on Episode IX.  There is no adequate way to thank this truly magical crew and cast.  I’m forever indebted to you all.

Kylo’s bloodied color palette

I am thinking that those colors mean he gets very badly injured, but since JJ is known for filming in order, I really don’t think Kylo would die at the last minute, injured and bloodied. My spec is that he lives but boy does he get it.

There’ s no redemption without true suffering. And shit, he’s gonna suffer and earn that redemption. I’m sure Adam will KILL at it.

She just deleted the post. Maybe people were getting too close to the truth…

I saw she deleted. Shit, what could it mean! I think the reaction that blood generated was obvious…but in which way it is close to the truth? We all know he’s going to suffer in IX, but die? That’s another thing and that’s what’s open in speculation with that palette right there! I believe he doesn’t die, but shit, I’m praying I’m right. 

If I had a say in it, and Kylo/Ben did get really hurt, I’d hope Rey would bring him back. Ben Solo would be reborn, and Kylo Ren would not be dead. Yeah I like to have my cake and eat it :P 

That palette looks painful.. OUCH !

also the #darkside appears in other posts ..? was it on her actual post ? hard to check since it’s gone!

I mean… C O U L D  B E.

Someone on twitter is having a great time with this, and I am enjoying the speculation concerning the World Between Worlds.

this indeed looks similar and ROMANTIC!!! ^^

Are they going back to Jakku?

There are rumors that they are planning to shoot some scenes from episode ix on Abu Dhabbi, which was the set for the Jakku scenes in TFA… So, question, guys, will there be a back to Jakku a la ROTJ (the Jabba scene was back to Tattoine), or will they do some flashbacks from Rey’s time there?

I think flashbacks maybe rey visiting parents grave or maybe not flashback just her visiting parents grave as a symbol she moved on, she let go of the past.

Or a dream that Rey had that involved Kylo and that she had not understood so far. We still need to get our « in a dream, in a nightmare »…

That would be great bc when i think more about it i dont think rey’s parents deserve any screen time.

Maybe they will show how she had really hard life. People always think she is this happy naive girl but if audiance would able to see the hell she went through they will know that Rey is just putting a happy mask.

I can imagine Rey having some flashbacks of visiting her parents grave (just to ultimately let go of her past) shortly after the events of TLJ while she attends Leia’s funeral after a time jump. It would represent in some kind of way that there’s nothing of her past, ie. her real parents as well as her “adoptive parents”, is left. It’s going to be the final step for her in order to independently look into her future; her greatest weakness finally buried once and for all. 

hmm, that’s interesting, I agree with @clairen45  I feel their Force bond has always been there, which makes sense, if they are meant to be ONE, and they seemed to “recognise” each other…. “it’s you” “In a dream..” so I would love to see a scene where they connected without really understanding it….

it could also be more of Rey background story.. just like it would be nice to have Ben childhood flashbacks to better understand their distress, loneliness and longing to be together.

@sw-daydreamer It would be really cool if they managed to include bits of their parallel childhoods… probably through Force visions or dreams more than in flashbacks for sure…

Would love to see parallels between their childhoods in a vision!!!!

@clairen45 @black-diamond96 Yes exactly. I am not sure the general audience is getting all we are getting after multiple viewings, so  flashbacks would help showcase why they were always meant to meet and how the Force was driving them towards one another.

Are they going back to Jakku?

There are rumors that they are planning to shoot some scenes from episode ix on Abu Dhabbi, which was the set for the Jakku scenes in TFA… So, question, guys, will there be a back to Jakku a la ROTJ (the Jabba scene was back to Tattoine), or will they do some flashbacks from Rey’s time there?

I think flashbacks maybe rey visiting parents grave or maybe not flashback just her visiting parents grave as a symbol she moved on, she let go of the past.

Or a dream that Rey had that involved Kylo and that she had not understood so far. We still need to get our « in a dream, in a nightmare »…

That would be great bc when i think more about it i dont think rey’s parents deserve any screen time.

Maybe they will show how she had really hard life. People always think she is this happy naive girl but if audiance would able to see the hell she went through they will know that Rey is just putting a happy mask.

I can imagine Rey having some flashbacks of visiting her parents grave (just to ultimately let go of her past) shortly after the events of TLJ while she attends Leia’s funeral after a time jump. It would represent in some kind of way that there’s nothing of her past, ie. her real parents as well as her “adoptive parents”, is left. It’s going to be the final step for her in order to independently look into her future; her greatest weakness finally buried once and for all. 

hmm, that’s interesting, I agree with @clairen45  I feel their Force bond has always been there, which makes sense, if they are meant to be ONE, and they seemed to “recognise” each other.... “it’s you” “In a dream..” so I would love to see a scene where they connected without really understanding it....

it could also be more of Rey background story.. just like it would be nice to have Ben childhood flashbacks to better understand their distress, loneliness and longing to be together.

Rian Johnson TLJ commentary part 2

1) Kylo telling his side of the story to Rey 2) The mirror cave scene 3) The hut scene

For info, I removed the technical elements of the commentary about special effects etc… 

1) About Kylo retelling his version of the Story:

So here’s Kylo’s version of…

We shot all these flashbacks in one day in this little  set, half a day I think.

This is Kylo’s version of it where he tells her, that he woke up, saw Luke about to kill him, and defended himself.

Which I don’t think he’s lying actually.

In his mind, that was his experience.

It’s actually Luke who was really distorting the truth, when he left out the stuff in his first telling of it.

I think that it’s probably twisted a lttle bit by Kylo’s own anger and his own prejudices against Luke, but I feel like he’s actually telling her the truth of his experience in this communication.

2) About the mirror cave scene / Rey’s identity

This image, in the mirror cave, of Rey searching for identity and having this kind of vision where it’s all about finding herself, and there’s all these visions of her going down the line, the infinite number and, “which one am I?” “Where is it going to end? How am I going to end up? Is this going define me?” “There’s all these possibilities of what I can be, and I’m trying to find them.” Which is, for me, that’s adolescence.

To some extent, these movies… Obviously, famously, Lucas drew from The Hero’s Journey and that whole myth that Joseph Campbell wrote about, making the first Star Wars.

The hero’s journey is not about becoming a hero, it’s not about becoming Superman.

If you really look at it, I think it’s about the transition from childhood into adulthood. It’s about adolescence.

It’s about finding your place in the world, finding who you are.

You have these powers in you, and who’s going to help you find the right way to use them ?

That’s really Rey’s journey in this.

I think that’s something all of us can relate to.

3) the hut scene

Then this, obviously very critical connection between the two of them here.

The transition of kylo from someone who killed Han Solo and is kind of a … (CHUCKLES) 

Coming into it, I felt like I had to assume, even though I found the character very intriguing, you have to come in with … That’s why Rey is so angry with him and just saying,  “screw you”, for basically the first few Force connections. Because my assumption is, that’s how we’re going to feel about him, coming into this movie, and how to transition him slowly from there to here

In a way that was plausible through Rey’s eyes. The notion that Rey sees this opportunity in him, and maybe sees something more than that in him, and to earn this connection I guess.

That was something that, uh… that was something we spent a lot of time, Adam, Daisy and I, talking through how we were going to get there.

my comments:

You can really tell how Rian Johnson is protecting Kylo / Ben, how he makes it clear that he was not lying, even if we understand from the movie that he has darkened Luke’s intentions and made him even more evil in his memories, RJ confirms he is being truthful.  Kylo/Ben is confiding and telling exactly what he felt. RJ want us to see the man, and not the just the villain, which I think he made a very good job of in the movie.

Love the line about who is going to help you use your powers, I am hoping this idea will be further developed in ep 9.

Interesting how RJ, keeps on stopping himself,  I feel he wants  to develop, but can’t, about Reylo, and more specifically about Kylo / Ben, for instance when  he talks about the transition, we have a from, but not a where to, or when it is mentioned it’s from there to here. The lack of precision in the wording, again, it’s a way to keep the redemption  being confirmed too quickly even though we see it clearly.

AND the bond = a very critical connection !! 

seriously as, in DANGEROUS, if it’s not happening ^^ I think

critical : (Oxford dictionary) definition; Having a decisive or crucial importance in the success, failure, or existence of something.

so their connection, is not just critical, it’s VERY critical…. must happen,  the happily ever after kind, end of.

(gif by Pierre Coffin)

Long Live King Rian

Thanks, @sw-skywalker for sharing your thoughts and this wonderful info! I’m sure you’re spot-on. They’re balancing an act between saying too much and saying just enough.

But the writing is on the wall.

We’re gonna have a happy ending riding into the twin sunset!

@kylo-babe-too   :) Yes we will have the happy ending, and they try to avoid making it too obvious. I thing it’s really not a IF, but more a HOW, what is the situation that will finally trigger a reunion, a cooperation, a meeting in the middle of sorts, a NEED to be one.  I think everyone agrees Hux will have something to do about this, unless they’re using him as a red herring, but I doubt it, on the contrary they made him the butt of the joke as often as possible in the TLJ, thus reducing his credibility as very witty and dangerous villain who could pose a threat to our heroes, and he WILL.

I think Hux will start a chain of events huge and possibly  fatal to the entire  Galaxy, something that maybe only stopped with their  joined efforts, the critical Force connection between Rey and Ben... yes that would be something magical to see on screen, the awe inspiring moment I want to see.

I also imagine them reaching out to other Force users to save everyone, it would be a nice touch, a way to say we all matter, we all have something special, we can all make a difference... which is also what this new trilogy is sending as a message.. gently veering away from the Skywalker blood and other legacy related powers ...

characters don’t have to be reincarnations to be important, but like… when Star Wars has always been the prime (literal textbook) example of the Hero’s Journey, and the Hero’s Journey has ‘miraculous conception’ and ‘death/descent’ and ‘resurrection/rebirth’ steps to it that line up in the story, and every single canon Star Wars visual media has featured/starred/analogued Anakin Skywalker in some way (including 60+ hours of tv shows, when they could have made the tv shows about anything/anyone/any time period) (even Rogue One still managed to include Anakin Skywalker) it makes me wonder how literal they’re being.

The sequel trilogy is already for sure a metaphorical continuation of Anakin’s story that was left off in ep 6, so the question is just how literal they’re going with the Joseph Campbell. It’s really not that different of a story, whether it’s literal or metaphorical. And I’m having fun thinking about the possibilities because theorizing is fun, and I don’t feel it’s necessary to wait to be 100% validated and canon before I speculate about something that interests me. I always said I’d be fine with whatever they decide to do.

Well I think it’s perfectly understandable that some fans are more or less enthusiastic about the possibility of reincarnation, but it should not matter, if you believe or want something, then do, it’s ok.  Speculations are the fun part of fandom, that is what had driven Reylos despite being ridiculed ...

We’re also very different as individuals, we read art and literature and movies in different ways, with different sensibilities and experiences.

There is never just one layer, one meaning or one absolute answer when it comes to the Arts. Discussing theories is why I enjoy this site, whether I agree with it or not... ;) 

People: what weapon could Hux – a non-Force user – **possibly** have to usurp Supreme Fallen Kylo Ben Young Solo Last Seed of Skywalker?

Me: um. a whole galactic army? military technology/weaponry? an entire galaxy-wide support of Empire Legacy elites and weapon traders/manufacturers? the actual ability to successfully lie and scheme and feel remorseless about it? the ability to attack Rey and Leia with that galactic army/weaponry at some point probably? some elevator surveillance tapes apparently? those seem like some pretty good weapons to me?

Exactly

Have we forgotten about the fact that Dooku held Obi-Wan captive in a suspension field?

 Or oh I dunno Order 66– where all the Jedi (some super powerful ones) were wiped out by a bunch of Clone Troopers? 

I mean– uh just say’n 

We could even have the KOR turn on Ben– in Hux’s own little version of Order 66. Maybe during this scene– if it’s meant to be JJ will find a way. 

Oh, this could be a great reprise of the Red Fight - the Black Fight, only without Rey by his side, Ben is unbalanced and the full power of the Force is not accessible to him, so he goes down. (Well, that one red guard had Ben in the choke-hold pretty bad, actually). So yeah, quite a possibility.

Great question, and yes it’s possible. I can also imagine Kylo / Ben feeling so low and depressed after his ‘epiphany’ at the end of TLJ   that  he is weakened to  a point where indeed Hux could use tech, or stormtroopers or KOR to neutralise him and maybe exile him, that would be my favourite. I can see him brooding like a fallen angel... 

First Reylo kiss

What does everyone think?  Will Ben and Rey have their first kiss in Episode IX in person or through the Force bond?  What are your theories and context of the kiss? Ready, go!

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Interesting question. I think which kiss it’ll be depends on when it happens. On the one hand, the first kiss might occur at the end of the movie, in act III. This will be a physical one, most likely in a moment of crisis before the movie climax or at the very end, post everything.

On the other hand, I think more likely, just like the last 2 movies, the writers will place their relationship’s turning point at the midpoint of the movie. So you have the bridal carry/ interrogation scence about halfway through TFA, same with the hand touch in TLJ and so a declaration of love and first kiss will make sense at ep IX’s mid point/middle of Act 2. This will consolidate their feelings for each other and raise the stakes going into the final fight when either of their lives is threatened. So it could be a Force bond one before they get reunited physically during the act 3 big battle. Or a physical kiss depending on the plot and what events have led up to that point.

Good question. Thank you so much @greyforceuser for asking and including me in the group discussion!

Very good remark from @feebtastic that the middle of the movie has become an important moment for the progression of the Reylo relationship, so, in all likelihood, something major is bound to happen at the midpoint of IX. So vii, they meet, viii they touch hands, ix they….

I would go with the declaration of love, personally. Somehow, I do not want them to be sharing their first kiss through a Force bond even though I enjoy it in fan fiction. I think their first kiss should be in person and like @feebtastic I would say the end. Rian Johnson’s point about the Force bond was to have them talk, not fight or make out, so talk they should.

But the hand scene also upped the ante considerably: it showed us that they could physically reach out for each other, and I think it is also very likely they will build on that on episode ix, otherwise they would not have included it.

Guys, here we are talking about the big love scene, and do you realize that a lot of people are wondering about fight scenes…I was absolutely appalled when I read on sites like Melty that they are expecting a fight scene between Rey and Kylo in a rematch from vii. It makes me wonder what movie they went to watch… At the same time, when I try to see things from their viewpoint, it makes sense. And I am not talking about the stupid sh*t (excuse my French) about Kylo becoming Vader 2.0.  There are people with lightsabers, they want lightsaber fights because they are cool, and yes the god of lightsaber fights must be appeased. There is indeed a to-do list for the guys in Star Wars to go by. And yes, final fight is in the charts if you base yourself on …like… what…every Star Wars movie ever….

But even if there was a lightsaber fight, this is how it plays out for me:

I see this happening for two reasons: Kylo will not kill Rey, nor Rey Kylo. It won’t happen, in order to respect the reverse Anidala. And the duel has to be aborted as in the final showdown between Luke and Vader (Luke threw away his saber after all), and to show Kylo has evolved since the end of TLJ. I know I digressed a bit from the original question, but it is still linked insofar as to me this duel has all the works to be the preliminary to a most romantic kiss.

So, to tie it all up… at the midpoint, they could be avowing their love but say there is no future for their relationship. There could be tears, hands touching cheeks, or a gentle touch of the foreheads. And they would meet again on the battlefield, start a fight, give up, and kiss passionately.

But with Star Wars blowing up everyone’s expectations with those two, and considering Kylo’s penitent state at the end of TLJ, the talk could happen fairly early in the first half of the movie; at the midpoint, the kiss, and not through a Force bond (and maybe more! with all the clues about babies and mating in viii, there should be some babymaking); so they fight side by the side at the end (must appease the gods of fighting, remember). No matter what, this is what I am absolutely confident about:

@clairen45 I’m similarly appalled by people claiming there should be a lightsaber fight between Rey and Kylo in ep. IX. I think these are just really recalcitrant people who refuse to see the romantic undertones in these 2 characters’ dynamic and how they work best when they work together, not against each other. I mean I do want my epic SW fight/battle but not between these 2. There’s no stake in a rematch.

In all honesty, I’m only saying that the first kiss (no matter how chaste and brief or desperate and doomed it is) should be about the midpoint because I don’t think we’ll survive the building tension beyond that. 😆 Neither will these two. The moment they admit any kind of deep intense feelings to each other they’ll be all over the other. Ideally it’ll be a really quiet intimate moment (like the hand touch scene) for the first kiss, but I fully expect a grand, ‘put the Scotland landscape in the background with a beautiful sunset behind them’ kiss at the end of the film.

(these will also sort of mirror Anidala’s scenes. Before the coliseum battle and the marriage scene in AotC)

2 years @feebtastic … 2 years… our heads will explode! I think my big issue with predicting stuff is that I don’t want to be disappointed. I am 100% sure about the romantic plot, but I don’t want to go in 2019 after 2 years of wild speculation and see them do their thing and go…mehhh… That was so much better in my head…

I call an interrupted almost-kiss, at a certain point.

Almost kiss is always good to build tension. Maybe they are using the Force Bond and someone (either Hux or Rey’s friends) enters and interrupts.

Thanks so much for including me in this discussion @greyforceuser! 

I love everyone’s observations so far. I agree with @feebtastic that they need something to build tension in the middle.  At the same time, I agree with @toawaterfowl and @ambitious-witch that an almost kiss could do the job of building tension, too. And like @clairen45, I want the first kiss to be in person.

With that said, here’s what I’m putting my money on: an almost (interrupted) kiss to build tension in the midpoint, and an actual, in-person kiss in the final scene of the movie. This echoes Anidala’s kisses in AOTC. Yes, Anidala shared a brief kiss in the middle, but the “real deal” was at the end of the movie. 

Here are some more detailed predictions for the first Reylo kiss.

I have a strong headcanon that the closing shot of Ep. 9 will be on the Millennium Falcon with Rey and Ben in the pilot and copilot seats. Like Han and Leia in ANH.

This is when I see them slowly leaning in for The Kiss.™  What will it be like, exactly?

What I can’t see happening: A super confident, aggressive, Han/Leia ESB-style kiss. Ben will still be earning Rey’s trust at the end of Ep. 9 (assuming he does something earlier to redeem himself), so he can’t just ravish Rey. Not to mention that they’ve characterized him as an as awkward space virgin, unlike his dad, Han “Mr. Smooth” Solo. 

What I can see happening: A kiss that starts off timid, gets more passionate, and then breaks off. There will be prolonged eye contact and closeness afterward, promising us that much more will happen off screen later. 😏 Looks familiar, no?

After the Reylo kiss is over, I see them slowly leaning back, looking back out at the galaxy, and bracing themselves to head off into the unknown together. 

I need it so badly!!!!!!!

You guys are all great , and I love the discussion and this fandom so much!

Great question @greyforceuser and great discussion so far - love your comments @toawaterfowl @ambitious-witch @clairen45 & @feebtastic ❤️ I totally agree with @raven-maiden - I really think the last shot of the movie will be Ben & Rey together, not basking in the recognition of the Resistance/Rebellion Ala Ep IV. Not celebrating with everyone Ala Ep VI. I think they will live the rest of their days out isolated from the world at large and polite society, as part of Ben’s atonement. (of course people will come visit them!) I think the biggest kiss will happen then. NGL I’m hoping for one mid-movie, even if it’s just brief, intense, passionate and interrupted. Kind of like Han & Leia’s right before Han gets frozen in Carbonite. ❤️❤️

reblogging for all the lovely discussion, already posted my thoughts in a separate post... damn.

First Reylo kiss

What does everyone think?  Will Ben and Rey have their first kiss in Episode IX in person or through the Force bond?  What are your theories and context of the kiss? Ready, go!

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@greyforceuser thanks for the tag that’s a really good question.... I am tingly about the idea of a kiss, which is bound to happen!! I am late to the kiss party, but here are my thoughts anyway!

I tend to see their first kiss as a ‘real’ one and not through the force bond....

I think it needs to be teased, and we need to feel the tension building. We will be on the edge of our seats until that moment, so if the ‘real’ full on kiss comes too early, it could take away from the climatic moment of victory it is likely to be connected with. Let’s not forget, this is a story meant to showcase love as a way to win, and save the ones we love. So I really expect to see all of this  in the third act and not earlier.

however, I am also hoping to see teasing, and touching, maybe a hand cupping a face, maybe hugging, or holding and comforting each other. The force bond will most definitely be used and I am sure they will look onto other other with longing. I can see them coming closer and closer to each other, until we think it might happen but.... the ‘will they won’t they’ of star wars in other words. 

I am also rooting for at least 2 kisses, because I am greedy :P and I want to see love but also passion, heat and sweetness. Since I don’t think the kisses will be that long, we will need at least two. ;) 

Let’s also pray for outtakes, and behind the scenes.... ^^

this is amazing news, first I am IN LOVE with Blade Runner, the sequel was magnificent and  breathtaking. I am telling you they are aiming HIGH. I am almost overwhelmed at the possibilities. 

Reylo is going to look so beautiful, it will be unforgettable <3

Faith in humanity restored.

Posting this here for positivity and appreciation.

^^ THIS --- she is not going to fight Kylo / Ben in episode 9

it coud definitely happen. I’ve always loved the idea of Kylo / Ben being sidelined ‘somehow’ by Hux, while he wallows in guilt and sadness. The idea of the resistance and Rey believing Kylo / Ben is responsible  for more horror while it’s really Hux  could add more drama and ANGST, and indeed Ben could  then choose a different path and reveal himsel as the hero he was always meant to be ...