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hooks-and-feathers replied to your post “Speculation time… So initially we had Killian telling Dark Emma “that...”
Why would Merlin ever tell them to find Nimue though? The only thing that can explain anything is if the person in the fire was not the real Merlin.
Maybe having his heart crushed made him lose his powers and he wouldn’t know Nimue is Emma? I have no idea.
Speculation time... So initially we had Killian telling Dark Emma “that you isn’t here” and today we had Henry saying that the person who crushed Violet’s heart wasn’t his mom. I still think that may have a literal meaning.
I think there’s a chance that Dark Emma is actually Nimue pretending to be Emma. And maybe she crushed Merlin’s heart back in Camelot - that way the curse could have been cast with the heart of the thing Nimue loved the most and it would explain a) Emma’s sudden change in Camelot and b) why everyone turns into a tree when they try to leave Storybrooke (let’s remember Nimue was the one turning Merlin into a tree)...
Theory time, but... what if Dark Swan is actually Nimue disguised as Dark Swan and Emma is trapped in that tree in Camelot? Maybe that’s why Killian is the only one who is struggling to see Emma somewhere in there? Maybe Nimue and Merlin are working together and did something to Emma back in Camelot.
Just a hunch, I actually doubt it, but I wouldn’t mind seeing something like this happening.
lillpon replied to your post “Dark Emma & Emma Swan: where does one end and the other begin?”
I love what you said about the vicious cycle - that the darkness influences Emma to make people fear her, and because people fear her they stay away. So she feels unloved and thus the darkness feeds on the loneliness it caused.
Thank you! I do think that’s where the storyline is headed and it’s definitely the way I’m interpreting it right now. And it also fits what Adam and Eddy said about those who love Emma doing things with the absolute best intentions but those actions ultimately turning against them and having the opposite effect. I guess we’ll see :)
I have already talked a bit of the final scene in my episode analysis here, but in this post I’d just like to briefly analyze the staging of the main characters in this scene. The how and where the actors are told to stand in a particular scene is an important process of storytelling, too. I can’t remember right now who the author of the post was (and I can’t find it either), but I once read an analysis on the position of Emma and Killian’s characters in the Neverland arc and Killian was constantly in a protective position over Emma - this ended up foreshadowing his growing feelings for her and the need that he developed to protect her. The post was really good and made me pay a lot more attention to character position from that point on.
But let’s then look at how Emma, Killian, Henry, Snow, Charming and Regina were all positioned in this scene. Right before Emma walks in, this is how they’re all standing:
Snow, Charming and Regina are together near the entrance, while Henry and Killian are at the bottom, standing next to each other.
After Emma transforms Sneezy into stone, Regina leaves her position to confront Emma and it’s only when these two finish their banter that something really interesting happens: Emma walks past Regina, isolating her, Snow and Charming from Henry, Killian and herself.
I know some people have assumed Killian failed her too because she looks at him when she says “and now, for what you all did to me”, but given the way she immediately turns to her parents and Regina to say “you’re all going to be punished”
I believe Emma looking at Killian while saying that may have another meaning other than “you’re to blame too”. I think it could be more of a “they did this to me so if you really love me you’ll want to be on my side and help me punish those who hurt me” (maybe Dark Ones, like Siths, deal in absolutes). This would go in line with Emma walking into her boyfriend and son’s side, almost as if leaving the three culprits alone on their own. Not only that, it would also match the manipulative traits of Dark Emma and what Jen said about her weaknesses being her love for Killian and Henry.
Based solely on this, and I may be ridiculously wrong, I think there’s a chance Emma will try to corrupt both Henry and Killian and bring them to her side, regardless of Snow, Charming and Regina really being at fault or not. Just a guess.
Note: all screencaps belong to screencapped.net.
I loved your episode analysis and I agree that Hook and Henry are her kryptonite. Did you watch the sneak peek? I really hope Hook didn't fail her. I dont wanna be sad.
Thank you! And I did watch the sneak peek. Honestly, I don’t know if Killian failed her or not. Adam and Eddie did say they all tried to do what was right but that it ended biting them in the ass, which eventually led to Emma going dark. If Killian tried to do the right thing but something went wrong, who can blame him (or anybody else, really)? I still think the problem will come from the Camelot gang, not necessarily anyone close to Emma.
And… I think we need to remember we’re dealing with Dark Emma here. She will blow everything out of proportion and take offense at things that normal Emma would easily “forgive” or put behind her back. It seems like she was the one taking away everybody’s memories and that was an extremely smart thing to do because now she has them all under her leash: “love is a weapon”. Everyone, and I’ve said this in my episode analysis, especially Killian, will be going through serious pain at just the possibility of having done something that led her to embrace the darkness. And that will make them all even more vulnerable and susceptible to her manipulative techniques. Dark Emma is a sneaky genius, let’s be real.
I know I promised myself I wouldn’t speculate much about this season, but looking at this:
And this:
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And especially after watching the latest sneak peek and how Emma doesn’t seem to be able to control the darkness very well right from the beginning, I do wonder if there is some magical object in Camelot that takes her darkness away temporarily? Maybe her white cape or even the pink roses?
I love reading your thoughts and I'm very nervous about Regina possibly having Emma's dagger. it just makes no sense! Why must everything always be about her? Annoying.
Hi, anon. Thanks for the question! I’m not sure if I missed something, but Killian was actually the one spotted with the dagger in those filming pics, right?I’m assuming you’re talking about the confusion there was that day about who got to keep it. Of course we have no idea if Killian will keep it or if somebody else will be responsible for it. Either way… I have no issue in manifesting that I’m not too fond of Regina’s character, and I do think she has been having a lot of focus for a long time now, but… it’s important to try and leave aside our personal preferences as best as we can when analyzing what happens on screen. And if you are successful in doing that, I think it’s rather obvious that Regina keeping Emma’s dagger actually does make a lot of sense.
Do I want it to be Regina keeping it? No. Would I have Regina being the one responsible for it if I were writing the show? No. But that doesn’t mean that scenario is completely absurd. Regina is the only magic user in town now and that is something that may be important in hiding the dagger from Emma or anybody else whose intentions are questionable.
Killian, Henry, Snow and Charming are the people who are closest to Emma and love her the most. However, despite their best efforts to bring her back, they don’t have magic. They can’t make the dagger invisible or create a protection shield around it, just to come up with some possibilities. With Rumple no longer being the Dark One and Zelena not being able to use her magic, Regina is the only one elligible to do something of that kind. So, if for some reason they need to resort to magic to protect the dagger, Regina is actually the obvious choice.
Based on my personal preferences and what I would like to see, I hope that doesn’t happen, but if it does and it makes sense, I cannot be mad.
Do you think CS will have sex while Emma is dark? And what is your opinion on it?
That’s a great a question to which I’ve read many different opinions. I honestly have no idea if they will have sex, but I’m pretty certain that Dark Emma will still have the hots for Killian and will, at the very least, seduce him.
Now would I like to see them having sex while Emma is dark? My answer will depend on how dark Emma will be. If Emma is completely evil, wants to have sex with Killian and there’s very little of her real self in there, I hope they don’t. And I hope that Killian, acknowledging just that, puts a stop to it so that he doesn’t take advantage of her. I like to compare this to Emma being inebriated, but instead of alcohol, we’re talking about darkness here. If Emma is “intoxicated” to a point where her real self has absolutely no control over what’s happening, CS having sex under those circumstances would bother me somewhat. However, if she is just “tipsy” and the real Emma is still aware of what’s happening, is in control of her actions and still wants to do it, that’s fine by me. The important question here is the amount of free will the real Emma will have. If it’s basically non-existent, no CS sex for me. If it is there, please have fun!
Now, if I were writing the show, I wouldn’t have CS having sex while Emma is dark (personal preference). I would have dark Emma seducing Killian and using his love for her to steal the dagger from him (if he is the one keeping it at some point). And then I would have Killian pretending he was dark again so he could trick dark Emma and get the dagger back. All in all, I would pretty much develop a very sexy and tense relationship between them to build up the sexual tension - only to be released once the curse was gone, Emma was back to her normal self and they could finally have the chance to take that step together.
How do you think Emma will be saved? I'm thinking they have to go find Merlin and somehow take the "Dark One" away from Emma. But if they do that, who will be the Dark One next?
Thanks for the question (and sorry for the late reply)!
Given the latest developments and pics from filming, we know Emma won’t be instantly dark. So the chances of Emma being her normal awesome self in the season premiere are very high. She’ll just have this dark side trying to corrupt her, but that probably won’t be all that noticeable in 5x01.
So right now my guess is that they go to Camelot very soon, but finding Merlin may take longer. And each second that passes without them finding him is a second Emma is closer to going fully dark. So I’m expecting it to be a gradual process where each day she’ll be losing a battle, until it all just becomes too much and the darkness will take over (temporarily).
Now how will she be saved? I think Merlin will not be the answer. And I maintain my opinion that a TLK will save her. Killian’s TLK. Am I being biased for expecting this? Yes, I am, but honestly I don’t see any other scenario that makes more sense.
This is the darkest of all dark curses - they will have to come up with a convincing way to break it. And most fairytales rely on binary opposition - good/evil, light/dark, royalty/working class and so on. OUAT isn’t an exception, the show is based on these same binary oppositions. Perhaps the most evident example of this is how Emma and Regina are foils - which is why Regina will be the new ‘savior’. Killian and Rumple, to an extent, are foils as well. If one is dark, the other will be light. You get the gist. So, following this pattern, what is the binary opposite of the darkest of all dark curses? The lightest of light, which, in the OUAT universe = love. It’s only logical an act of True Love will be the thing breaking this curse. And hey, it’s canon that a TLK was working for Rumbelle until Rumple decided to choose to keep his Dark One power instead. So a TLK can break the curse.
Now if it is a TLK, who are the elligible candidates? Emma has had her True Love moment with Henry in season 1, so the mother/son love has already been explored. Could it happen again? Yes, and I wouldn’t mind given how much I love Swan Believer, but I seriously doubt they’re repeating it.
Snow and/or Charming? It could happen, especially after how strained their relationship was in season 4, but…
… this was how season 4 ended:
The focus was clearly on Emma’s love for Killian. So yes, I do think it will be this time Emma will have a romantic TLK. And that is the job only for one person: Killian Jones. And I still think that he will have to win Dark Emma’s heart a bit before she lets him kiss her, but... Let’s see how things go.
One thing’s for sure: I haven’t been this excited for a story arc in a LONG time!
The problem I have with TLK being the solution to all the Dark One problems is that Rumbelle have kissed, they’re *supposedly* true love and everything, they even got married, but… he was still the Dark One.
Either RB is NOT TL, or TLK won’t necessarily work.
Idk, though. We’ll find out in about two months.
Actually, in “Skin Deep”, Rumbelle’s TLK was working, until Rumple decided to stop the kiss because he didn’t want to lose the power. So we do know that a TLK can break the Dark One curse. It never worked with Rumbelle not because they’re not True Love, but because Rumple never wanted to lose the power that came along with being the DO. Basically, his need for power worked as a shield that prevented a TLK to break the curse.
So this means that in order for a TLK to work with CS and break the curse, Emma will have to want to get rid of the Dark One. Eddy and Adam have already said she will try to fight the darkness so that is a good sign. However, things will have to be more complicated than that. I think the real challenge will lie on how to bring Emma to a point where a TLK will work.
