NANCY AND MIKE OH WE PRAYED FOR TIMES LIKE THESE
Dustin is to Steddie as Max is to Ronance
Ronance and Willel breadcrumbs!! Also Joyce in the center!!
Anyone have any ideas about this?
Dustin is in the (Mount?) McCorkle Farm
Versus Nancy and Jonathan in the Upside Down
Another ST5 mockup! It says in the corner that Dustin is in a farm and what looks to be Jonathan and Nancy are in the same farm but in the Upside Down.
Also support strike everyone <3
Just remembered that Natalia Dyer, Maya Hawke, Charlie Heaton and Joe Keery have a group chat where they send each other Ronance memes
I'm so sick of the Ronance tag on ao3. Half of it is Steddie fics. Then once you filter those out, 1.1K of it is That One Writer (you know the one). Then once you filter those out, you are left with a ton of incorrectly tagged anonymous (just in case you wanted to mute the author) short fics that are either by AI or blatantly plagiarized from Steddie authors with the names and pronouns changed. So you then filter out fics under 1K words, burying ficlets by real authors. And it's so exhausting because I'm struggling to find new fic, not because they're not being written, but because of how the Ronance tag is just spam and men.
I'm rewatching S4 and am feeling INSANE every time Robin and Nancy look at each other
How are they so gay? Why did we let them get away with this?
WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT THIS MORE?
Anonymous asked:
Stancy in Season 5?
I hope not, but it's possible. I'll explain the proof for Stncy, the reasons why they'd write that, why Nancy would be best off with literally anyone else than Steve/single and then some hope for unrequited Stncy under the cut. Warning: I didn't mean for the post to be this long! I'll put a TL;DR at the end if you want the spark notes version.
I cannot write fic and yet tonight I badly want to read a Ronance D.E.B.S. AU to the extent where I may just make it myself
Anonymous asked:
the people in your ask box giving their reasons for not liking ronance is like. yes, you do you, but they are literally proving your point because what is it about a random f/f ship existing that makes people wanna argue against it ??? but yeah the anti ronance tag is truly a wild place.
This response is quite long, hence the read more! I kinda got off track and it goes into a discussion of canon vs headcanon and speaks a bit about Byler too.
If I were to be generous to Ronance antis, I think a lot of people are frustrated that there is a new canon bisexual character who's been introduced to the show but a lot of the fandom are ignoring her for a headcanon. And in general, members of this fandom and Ronance shippers are quite harsh against Rovickie and I don't think they'd be as harsh if it was an m/f pairing. Because it's the only canon gay pairing so far (I know it hasn't happened yet but it clearly will), people are expecting it to be this perfect romance like Jopper or Lumax but in eight minutes of screen time which is just impossible.
Nancy gets a whole speech delivered to her about how her attempt to escape her mother's fate by dating Steve is pointless because she's ultimately forcing herself to love a boy who she's not interested in. She's "rebelling" in a way that many other girls do or, to put it simply, in a way that society is comfortable with. But truly rebelling would be embracing her feelings regardless of what other people think...yet her being sapphic doesn't make sense? (more detailed post)
#said this in my last post#i get it was about her dating jonathan but let's be honest#what's more rebellious: dating a weird boy? or dating a weird GIRL?#ronance#nancy wheeler#sapphic nancy wheeler#lesbian nancy wheeler#bi nancy wheeler#byler#<- target audience#put it on all my posts cause that's who they're meant for#byler target audience
Anonymous asked:
the biggest reason I don't rlly like romantic ronance is because I don't really ship nancy with anyone - I am a firm believer in Single Nancy Supremacy! I think that the two romantic relationships we see her have (with steve and with jonathan) both struggled because of her grief in relation to barb - its much clearer with her relationship to steve as it literally breaks down as a result of her grief and guilt and that idea of faking happiness, and I think that may also be the case with her relationship with jonathan as well, and we know that she's been questioning things about the relationship and hiding that she feels unfulfilled, though in her eyes she feels like she wants steve, but i think she just remembers how easy things were with steve before all the upside-downy stuff and wants to go back to how things were back then. I feel as though she struggles in those relationships because the type of companionship she is searching for is the easy, comfortable, platonic love and closeness she had with barb back then, and its clearly a huge part of her character arc, since losing barb is what caused her to become actively involved in all the upside-downy stuff and piqued her interest in journalism through her work with murray (alongside her clear desire for solving mysteries and the like). what nancy needs right now isn't a romantic relationship, but a platonic female friendship, a connection that is not fueled by anything sexual at all - hence my stance as a Platonic ronance truther!! we already see the closeness and trust the two of them have with each other as they scheme to break in to see victor creel and as they work together later on, and I think that kind of platonic connection between two women will be wonderful for the both of them, and robin as well deserves a platonic friendship that isn't just with the guy people keep thinking she's in love with. I really hope the show does take it that way, especially since platonic relationships have played such a key role throughout the show (the party's dedication to each other (excluding byler and their romantic love for each other but thats a whole other thing), dustin's relationships with steve and eddie, platonic stobin ofc, jonathan and argyles friendship (this one is so important to me as well as robin and nancy because of how dedicated they are to each other), and especially the friendship between el and max (I could write a whole nother essay about that tbh)) and I think it would be a wonderful ending for both robin and nancy to find that friendship with each other!!
This is completely fair and valid, plus a good analysis. For me personally, I prefer Ronance to single Nancy. Firstly because I just like their dynamic being 80s sapphic enemies/rivals to lovers. Secondly, I think Robin dating an established character is easier writing wise cause the show adds too many people and has less time to flesh out Vickie because of it. However, I also like it because of Nancy's character arc.
I think her character is very male centric and the writers seem to abandon her life goals to push her into the box of being Steve's suburban wife or in other words, her canon worst nightmare. Despite being the badass feminist character, she feels so focused around men and Steve and it's really odd to me. Especially how weirdly confrontational she was to Robin because she assumed she was dating Steve. They broke up two years ago and Nancy never even loved him, it's so odd.
Anyways to circle back to my point, I like the idea of Nancy's ending not being her settling down with Steve. I'm very anti-St4ncy if you can't tell. I'm less opposed to Jonathan and Nancy but even then, she's still at risk of falling into her nightmare with him. I think this is part of the reason why single Nancy is good and canon wise, I think that's her best outcome.
However, Nancy says right from the start that she wants to truly rebel. She dates Steve as an act of rebellion but because she's rebelling in the way everyone else does, it's ultimately a way for her to safely fit in and tell herself she's doing something radical as Jonathan points out. She hides her true feelings because whilst she knows she won't be satisfied by the life she's heading towards, she's scared to do anything otherwise.
I think 80s badass sapphic feminist Nancy dating a woman would both act as her embracing her true feelings and rebelling away from the trap of being a suburban housewife that her mother fell into. Single Nancy can work for that too, but I think having Nancy canonically like girls would perfectly fit into her framework of actually truly rebelling against expectations instead of seeking safety in a boy she tried to force herself to love.
I think these two opinions can coexist but that's just why I think romantic Ronance is great for Nancy. I do agree that platonic relationships would be good for her, but I also think that this relationship romantically would work with her character arc too. Thanks for the ask!
Anonymous asked:
As someone who is neutral on ronance, I think people don't particularly like it because, from what I've seen, sometimes fics sideline, downplay, or even ignore Robin's friendship with Steve. I know this also happens in other ship fics but I think because it's his ex it gets under skin more?
Disclaimer: this is heavily sarcastic!
I agree, our fandom sidelines Steve too much. He only has over 43,615 fics written about him on ao3! Ronance must have so much more than that!
Wait...it looks like there are nearly 7 times as many Steve fics as Ronance, how peculiar.
Well I guess it makes sense. The fandom likes Steve, but the Ronance fandom ignores him. That's why if you remove the tags Steve Harrington and Steve Harrington & Robin Buckley you lose nearly two thirds of all Ronance fics!
And if you filter the completely unrelated tag Steve Harrington/Eddie Munson tag on Ronance fics, surely the vast majority of Ronance fanfiction will remain? Right?
Ok, I'm not being sarcastic now: if you want to read fan fiction including Steve Harrington or Steddie or platonic Stobin, go ahead! I enjoy reading platonic Stobin fics too, and I've defended their friendship multiple times. However, saying people dislike Ronance shippers for not centering a completely different character and friendship seems a bit unfair to me, especially when statistically (as shown above), this fandom, including the Ronance fans, are very focused on Steve.
I'm sorry if I come across as rude, I'm not trying to be, it's just quite frustrating how this f/f ship is criticised for not centering around a male character enough. You can prefer reading Ronance fics that talk about Steve and about that friendship, but it's also ok if they don't. Do people criticize Steddie shippers for not talking about platonic Stobin enough? I don't think so.
If you look up Anti Ronance there are so many posts saying Ronance shippers are just obsessed with Nancy and don't care about Robin at all and I'd really like to know where they're getting this information from considering that the vast majority of Ronance shippers I see are angsty Robin kinnies who cried when she came out and love her character to bits