oh no

Nah, dude, I aways support celebrities' right to shut up on political matters. Especially when they are clearly aren't educated on the question and aren't willing to engage with it any deeper than "war is bad :)" Though considering what Misha said in the comments, one may wonder if he's a Zionist on top of being a tone-deaf privileged white liberal. And I certainly don't blame those who lost any respect for him after this.

Omg, thank youuu! You're way too kind, but I'm glad my saltiness gives people a chuckle. I try not to be too mean over fictional dudes, and the way you handle fandom wank in a lighthearted and positive way is really inspiring to me. Deangirls united! <3

What good writing, proper lighting and a showrunner that actually likes his show does to a MF.

This got long.

So, in 2013 at NJCon J2 Panel, Jensen took a sip of his iced tea and said, "I don't like straws. My father said once there's no manly way to drink from the straw". Jared then immediately drank his tea through the straw, they laughed and moved on. It was gifed, you can find screenshots on pinterest if you want.

Fastforward to the end of 2020 and people re-discovering 15 years of fandom history in one sit, and the straw quote is now used as a proof of Jensen's toxic masculinity/homophobia/you name it. And under every post that mentions Jensen doing something gender-nonconforming or saying something about gender, sexuality or masculinity, or even under posts about his new roles, in the notes, there would be people bringing up this moment as some sort of ultimate gotcha. Or, at best, acting like he said this yesterday and is finally opening his eyes. All this about the quote from 2013.

Now, don't get me wrong, it was a dumb thing to say. I watched that video, this moment was clearly meant as a bit and not an expression of his life philosophy or whatever, but it is a stupid joke and it made me cringe. God, I hate con videos, they give me terrible second-hand embarrassment.

But it's been 9 years ago. Jensen's younger kids weren't born yet, I'm not even sure about JJ. People can grow a lot over much shorter time, and I don't believe Jensen was a "bad" person to begin with. There are tons of evidence and stories about him being a kind and open-mided man, even if he were more conservative back then (idk if he actually was). To dismiss all that because he isn't a perfect paragon (neither are other cast members, nor any of us), to mock him for his efforts to change is cruel and disheartening. Yeah, he's a rich white man, he won't see it, but other people do, and it's disgusting.

Also,

It's from S9 (2013-2014) gag reel, btw (x)

As for the photo, he had it as his pfp for several years (I can't tell you when exactly because I wasn't in the fandom back then). It's actually from the extremelly cute Jensen/Danneel photoshoot, to which I can't find a link right now. Interestingly, it's was either made in 2012 or 2013. Hmm.

I don't think this pfp is related to Jensen's father, mostly because I don't believe this extremelly dumb idea really mattered to Jensen (as an adult) in any way and certainly not to the extent some parts of the fandom like to think. It's a nice goofy photo, very in his style, why not use it on SM?

PS. While I was searching for the straw quote, I found articles on the same topic, from this year (and one about growing up with cold fathers, lol). I think Jensen is ok, actually.

@goodbyedeanhellosoldierboy replied to your post “So, according to the trailer, Butcher will have a...”:

​Lol yeah, there's definitely a lot of stuff familiar to SPN fans here. I keep wondering if Dean/Anna storyline would've been similar to Hughie/Annie one if they kept it.

Yeah, I think Billy will get corrupted by superpower Sam-style, and the gang will have to fight to bring him back before it's too late. He seems to be a little too happy about his laser eyes for my comfort, lol.

@goodbyedeanhellosoldierboy replied to your post “This constant finger-wagging on how Jensen's fans...”:

​Right? I mean, I get that some over-enthusiastic fans (or bitter SPN folks that don't even watch The Boys but have an opinion for some reason) can be irritating, especially with cross-tagging, but it happens in all fandoms and can be helped by muting/blocking. This constant lecturing, however, is new to me and it's really annoying. And tbh, The Boys' tag here wasn't exactly robust before, so it's not so much Jensen's fan taking over as it's them bringing more activity.

Also, if people don't like how much Jensen is hyped, they should take this to Kripke and Amazon because they extended his part, keep putting him front and centre and in a sense made him the focus of this promo. Maybe his character isn't so unimportant, after all.

Nah, anon, it's fine. It's an open forum, I'm not upset or anything. I just realised I probably sounded shadier than I intended and wanted to clarify that I just found the whole situation comical. But thank you for asking, I appreciate this <3

@ironworked replied to your post “Some of you forgot how different young John was,...”:

​Yes! People are like, "Why would the prequel describe young John as a nice person?" Because that's how he was in canon, what's not clicking? It's explicitly stated that he was a good man, a loving father and husband before Mary died.

@sexyvixen7

You've probably already seen it, but there's been a rumour that Jensen will do full-frontal nudity in the show, and some spn fans (who obviously never watched TB and don't plan to) just can't act like adults about it. This quickly evolved into people making gross comments about his looks and body and acting like puriteens in general, all while tagging both Jensen and TB. Which is just another day in spn fandom, I guess, but I'm really done with this shit.