YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS yesyesyesyesyesyes

GOD this is all so delicious I barely know where to start

I didn't even think about just how much the mystery of Jotaro's "past" is going to tie into all this. Part 4 really is just a mass of mysteries and uncovering so many decade old secrets, and now some of the secrets have become personal

(Also uh. Before we get into things, clarifying nicknames are likely in order <3 let's just keep it simple and easy, Jojo is the teen and Jotaro is the adult)

but just. Gods can you imagine the pure chaos when Jotaro and Jojo meet for the first time. Jojo of course realized what was going on first, after all Jotaro's style.... really hasn't changed much. Not to mention the subtle shift in the air when the other man used his Stand

and of course, when Jotaro realizes he gets thrown for a loop. He came here to check up on his father's illegitimate child and do some poking around for the arrows. Now he's suddenly being nailed in the face with the past that's eluded him for years

it's going to be a MASSIVE relief for Jojo to hear, even if he doesn't express it fully. That mom is safe, that everything turns out okay.

He is however, equally as frustrated by Jotaro's lack of clarity in his memories and starts planning out a very aggressive note to leave behind when they finally switch back

and YESSSSSSSSSS with the clicking noise and rat thing, that's absolutely perfect. Especially with the rat thing since well. They move :)

and the worst part of it all, the electricity and explosions and clicks and rats, is Jotaro doesn't know why. All he knows is that this is a danger to him, that it is life threatening and pain causing and he needs to get away

(and speaking of Bug Eaten, Tonio is going to be getting a L O T more visits than in canon on account of the whole..... Being The Only Healer In This Entire Stand Ridden Town)

I LOVE the concept of Jotaro getting vague feelings of events to come. Because his memories aren't fully gone per say, they exist and are present but they're hazy and muddled and unclear. And yet, with every day he spends in Morioh, every adventure he hears the kids have gone through and every adventure he gets roped into as well, they become clear

But rarely do the warning systems help. At least, not in any way that truly helps. After all, Fate and the Future has already been decided. every action has already been taken, every fate known, every thing unavoidable. This is not a second chance at the life Jotaro had lived, it was Jojo's first chance

that's the most taunting part of these feelings. How vague and muddled and fuzzy they are. A feeling of deja vu can mean a new ally or a hated enemy and he can't differentiate the two

when he eventually realises this, Jotaro shifts his energy to something he can do, and that's training the kids. He came back to his own time a competent fighter and with the ability to stop time, so dammit he knows he can at least try

...........wait a moment I had

a FUN idea to play with regarding the time stop

so. Given the fact Jotaro learned it essentially via a slight paradox, there would be no relation to Dio at all. There wouldn't be any baggage or trauma attached to it at all

at least...... not with Jotaro that is :)

the other Crusaders? Who fought and nearly died against such an ability? That's an entirely different ball park :)))

plus, it could also lead to some fun angst in terms of "Theories Of Where Jotaro Was" now including captured and possibly trained by Dio which wasn't a fun thought for anybody involved

you're correct, Parts 3 and 4 have been criminally neglected amongst all this chaos, so this is p e r f e c t

to clarify the universe shenanigans of everything: I've always been thinking that each "set" exists in its own universe. 1 and 6, 2 and 5, and then 3 and 4 all exist in their own sort of "pocket universe" just so we don't need to keep track of of all the inevitable changes and how they influence each other

that being said, funnily enough what you've brought up with Jotaro is REALLY close to what I've been imagining too!

Jotaro is So Fucking Lost when he wakes up back home. He feels like complete and utter shit and is covered in more bandages than he's ever had before. The last thing he remembers is his mom leaving after visiting him in the prison cell after he tried to shoot himself with Star Platinum

only...... when did Star Platinum have a name? When had it stopped being an evil spirit?

when had he stopped being scared of it?

Kakyoin and Joseph are of course INCREDIBLY worried by Jotaro's apparent and very sudden shift in personality. And of course, this panic only multiplies when they find they think Jotaro's stand has been changed as well. They immediately think it's a Stand attack......

but then Holly steps forward and denies this. That this is how Jotaro normally acts and more importantly, that she remembers seeing Star in the jail

now, technically this might be bending the rules a little bit, but I think it would be interesting to give Holly some..... memory weirdness. Maybe we can tie it into her Stand somehow, or maybe it's just For The Plot, but Holly has two distinct sets of memories before she collapsed from her illness

One where Jotaro comes home with her, quiet and awkward and open in a way he hadn't been since he was a child. And another where he refused to leave and shot himself in an attempt to goad a spirit hovering over his shoulder

this then raises the incredibly uncomfortable idea that the Jotaro they'd gone to Egypt with was the imposter. That there had been a fake in their midst the entire time and they never knew. Was he working with Dio? Another group? What was his goal? Why had he done it? And of course, the biggest question of all, where was Jotaro the entire time and why doesn't he remember?

because it's obvious Jotaro was somewhere. He has skills and knowledge he hadn't before. He's different, he's grown in some ways, but has receded in others

Electricity and loud sounds terrify him in a way that can't be described as simple fear

they do what they can to help and figure things out, but they can never find any leads. It actually during these investigations that Jotaro decides to start working with the Speedwagon Foundation on the side and "rekindles" his friendships with the Crusaders

(he finds himself drawn to Kakyoin at times. Or to be more specific, he's drawn to his Stand. The colors and shapes and eyes all feel so tantalizingly familiar, and sometimes he finds himself talking to the being as if expecting a response)

years go by, and the fog around his memories stays. It bothers him less as more time passes and he makes new memories with people who had a headstart on their relationship, but there's always a quiet niggling in the back of his mind about what could've happened

and then a decade later he finds a boy with a different face but identical Stand and temperament to match

holy fuck wait a minute yeah-

While the nature of the relationship likely wouldn't be the same as it would be in canon (after all, Erina would be like. 12/13 years old and Jolyne is 19), she still would've seen Erina as a very close friend. I don't doubt that Jolyne would still step in when those two other kids were bullying her, albeit unlike Jonathan her reasoning wouldn't be anything chivialry related. Hell, with the help of Stone Free, Jolyne might even be able to win that fight

Erina would still seek her out afterward, and while Jolyne wouldn't reciprocate the romantic feelings the other girl had...... well, Jolyne's pretty lonely. Sure there's Danny, but he is a dog, and Erina's kind and sweet and nice to hang around, and open minded enough that I think she'd be okay with Jolyne asking if they could be just friends

but of course, this is the 1880s in England, and naturally most people assume the pair to be romantically involved, especially given how close they are

Dio being one of them

you're absolutely right in how Jolyne is going to be brutal. Words can not properly express how overwhelmingly pissed she is going to be about all this, and what makes things worse for Dio is how no matter what he does, Jolyne just won't go down. Despite how much he punches and kicks, all his attacks seem either magically miss or just bounce right off (ofc, this is thanks to Stone Free), so Jolyne gets hardly a scratch on her. Hell, she's probably not even going to stop when George arrives, no matter what he says or what punishments he threatens to inflict.

now, do the both of these things make it easier for Dio to spin the story in his favor? Admittedly yes. I'd imagine she tries to tell George about what happened, about what Dio did, only to get brushed off because in his eyes Jolyne was the instigator here who beat poor, poor Dio near to death over some girl

I'd imagine after this incident, the shakey bond Jolyne might've had with George snapped completely

as for Danny........

Dio would probably still kill him. Sort of as a last ditch effort, a final attempt at getting some kind of control over the situation to remind Jojo of his place and what happens if he were to cross Dio

it backfires horribly

because before, Jolyne might've forgiven him. It would have taken YEARS and a lot of growth, but Jolyne is not blind to the environment and time they live in, where women are barely more than pretty objects and Dio has been given almost free reign as a noble's new adopted son. Before, she might've been able to forgive him because Dio was barely 12 and still a child and had likely learned a lot of things that weren't good. It could have been a mistake, one that someday he could look back at and be ashamed of

but then he kills Danny. He kills Danny by locking him in the incinerator and burning him alive

and Jolyne realizes he's doing this on purpose. That this wasn't just plain jealously, this was Dio actively doing everything in his power to make sure Jolyne would hurt

He's still 12. He's still a child.

But Jolyne will not take this lying down and she vows to herself she will never be his friend

(one night when she's alone, Jolyne feels the briefest bit of relief that she's here in this body. Just for a moment, just for a second, if only so the kindhearted 12 year old Jonathan who's messy journals sit on the bookcase didn't have to face Dio by himself)

HSDBVHSBVHS OH MY GOD-

IT'S LITERALLY JUST THE SPIDERMAN MEME BUT A DIFFERENT FLAVOR AND STRETCHED OUT-

oh jeez, this is gonna be a hard one-

as a sligth heads up, just know that my Favorites usually change like...... every week so who knows how long this will be accurate for irgnvjdnvjd

1) Star Swap, the chaos, the insanity, the heartbreak and crack is just p e r f e c t i o n

2) Echoes Act 4, because I'm ALWAYS a sucker for Koichi angst, he's definitely one of my favorite characters so Causing Him Great Harm sparks a lot of joy

3) In Your Blood, since the possibilities of Joseph growing up with his parents and learning Hamon that way is so fun to play with

4) Early Bird/Childhood Friends, Dio kidnapping and traumatizing children is always fun <3

5) Joestar Platinum because just. Mmmmmmm the ghosts of those long since lost coming back to help <3333

Yesssssssssssssssss

Jotaro just. Stares at Jonathan for several seconds and for a moment Jonathan's worried he doesn't believe him but then he lets out the longest, most exausted sounding sigh Jonathan's ever heard

Jotaro's So Fucking Exhausted He Didn't Sign Up For Any Of This He Just Wanted His Family To Be Safe God Dammit-

luckily/unluckily he recognizes the fact that there is nowhere near enough time nor it is safe enough to stay here and ask questions, so he decides to go ahead with his plan to get "Jolyne" out and to the Foundation. After all, they deal with all sorts of magical fuckery, they might know what to do here

the escape is definitely Awkward since their of them really know what to say, but you're abslutely right in that Jonathan freaks out a bit when he learns but canon does go the same way with Jotaro getting his brain and Stand yoinked and him going comatose

and just. OUGH I love the idea of Jonathan hesitating to go back. His morals are gonna be clashing so freaking hard because on one hand there is a lot of danger inside those walls and he doesn't want to endager Jolyne, but on the other he doesn't want to abandon Mr.Kujo like this. The man came here to save his daughter, and he's now in a state like death because of how he wasn't the woman he came for (ofc, this is how canon would have gone but Jonathan doesn't know that :3c)

you know, I thought of a funny way to make Joseph’s side of Star Swap even worse

Just. What if when he starts getting attached to the Bucci Gang, specifically Bucciarati and Trish, his plans for going to Air Supplena slightly change :)

What if as the ring’s deadline gets closer and closer he starts trying to think of ways to disappear quietly. Subtly implying a few things about how secretive his family is because of Hamon, how they move around sometimes, just little things that would make it so when he cuts ties with the gang, it would’ve been more believable for him to have vanished

But then mere hours before he was going to go through with it, the plan shatters like glass

and it’s all because if Trish

Trish, lonely, defensive Trish whom he’d grown attached to, Trish who’d taken to Hamon like a fish to water, Trish who was going to be handed over to a father who may not even love her

Trish, who just before she walks down that dock to the tower, turns back to him and asks if they could meet again

it isn’t a command. She doesn’t use the weight she knows her orders would have, doesn’t tell him they’re going to meet again, no

she asks him in a voice laced with uncertainty and Joseph once again is painfully reminded that she’s nothing more than a 15 year old girl who’d just about lost everything meaningful to her

and he was going to leave her behind without a word of explanation

So he smiles at her, a big bright grin combined with his trademarked smirk, and says Boss’s daughter or no, she wasn’t getting rid of him that easily and that she’d better not slack off on her training

and she laughs at that, giving him the same smirk back and walking with her head held high

(and then of course, that’s when everything crumbles apart)

Oooooooooooooooooo that's a really fun idea to mess around with actually

because like. Yo-yo Ma is I think the first (possibly only?) sentient automatic Stand we've seen, so like........ theoretically couldn't Yo-yo Ma disobey D an G's orders? To an extent at least??? Because as we've seen in the past, beyond their preset instructions Automatic Stands can't be directly controlled by their Users, and from wha I remember Yo-yo Ma is capable of making some decisions by itself

and just. You're absolutely right, Jonathan would 100% welcome Yo-yo Ma with open arms and kindness without hesitation. Foo, Atroe and Anasui find it kinda weird and aren't fully sold, but none of them say anything about it because none of them want to make Jojo upset, so they settle for silently threatening Yo-yo Ma with severe bodily harm should it lay a single finger on him when Jojo isn't looking

And who knows, maybe another thing that sway Yo-yo Ma to their side is Foo. Foo can open Yo-yo Ma's eyes to the fact that it doesn't have to do everything it's User tells it to, it can make it's own decisions and live life the way it wants

Pucci is definitly going to be angry about this specific development, and for the angst of it I love the idea of him taking Yo-yo Ma's disc when he finds out. Jonathan and the rest watching Yo-yo Ma crumbling to dust before their eyes, promising they'll bring it back somehow no matter what, that they won't let Pucci get away with this

And slightly switching gears from Yo-yo Ma to Foo and Atroe, them being there for everything with the Green Baby is going to make things interesting, specifically for when Pucci shows up. The duo's whole...... everything is actually going to make them something of a dfficult match for Pucci to fight, since as far as we've seen he can only use his ability on one person at a time, and while they're sharing a body they're still two seperate beings. If he tries to take Foo's disc, Atroe can just. Push it back in, and vice versa if he tried to take Atroe's

however, that isn't to say they'd have an easy win, or even be able to win at all. Whitesnake is still very powerful and Foo and Atroe are reliant on Atroe's body being in fighting condition so if she gets too beat up they're in trouble

but also another thought: what if Jonathan taught Atroe hamon. After all, Foo Fighters goes with hamon just as well as The Passion does with everything it does with water, and Foo...... doesn't exactly have lungs to use it themself. Plus, it would also give Atroe a reliable way to defend herself if she ever gets separated from Foo or if Foo's down for the count

why did I bring this up? Because I think it would be really funny if Pucci succesfully removed Foo's disc only to immediatley get punched in the face by a Hamon Boosted Punch

:DDDDDD THANKEE!!!!!!!!

but also YEAH SHVSRJVSDVS

Jolyne does not give a single flying fuck about any of this shit. She absolutely hates 90% of Everything that's going on, and Dio is at the very tippy top of that list. She takes every possible opportunity to use Stone Free to fuck with him and to avoid getting caught, but every once in a while she'll do something to freak him out but then pretend that nothing's wrong (ex, she'll "leave" her limbs around in places he can find or see, like a finger or two, and then will have it fall apart into string so he can't see it anymore)

Jolyne decides to Gaslight Gatekeeper Girlboss her way through her adventure and honestly good for her

and ofc, when she learns Hamon she just becomes even more of a little shit. Stone Free is criminally perfect for Hamon usage, with the strings acting as essentially wires to send the charge further as well as being completely prehensile and unable to be seen by most. If she wasn't worried about not getting found out for so long, things would've been laughably easy for her. Underhanded yes, but given everything Dio's done she feels being underhanded isn't even close to lowering herself to his level

then there's also Joseph, out beloved trickster and, I'm sure to absolutely nobody's surprise given the number of posts I've made about that part of the au, my personal favorite

just. there's so many things happening so quickly in Part 5 that Joseph is going to pull off so much shit back to back without any time to offer an actual explanation. Not because he's dodging the questions (which...... okay admittedly he kinda is), but because there just isn't any time

Him knowing Hamon throws so many wrenches into that Part because it's simply not equipped for it. Joseph's able to do so much and cause so many problems because unlike in Parts 1 and 2, there's NOBODY who has any fucking clue what Hamon is or how to fight it. Sure there are still threats and weaknesses, but the fact nobody knows what they are means Joseph is more or less running completely free

and honestly??? compared to fighting vampires and the Pillarmen, this stuff with the gang is WAY easier by comparison. Not easy, but easier. Stands have different rules and limits, the most obvious one being they roughly only have one main ability. What Joseph may lack in raw power he makes up for in sheer versatility with the almost endless ways to use and apply Hamon

So I had an interesting realization for the DiU part of Star Swap

so…… the Tonio Episode happens after Yukako’s

and Yukako's, naturally, happens AFTER Koichi gets shot with the arrow

And just....... idk I'm just Rotating how this would impact how everything with her would go. I'm no medical expert, but I'm like 99% sure getting shot in the neck with an arrow would keep you in the hospital for a decently long while, and even then when Koichi gets discharged he wouldn't be back to 100%. He's going to need time to heal, go to voice therapy to try and salvage what little of his voice he has left, and who knows, maybe hatch Echoes into Act 1. I highly doubt he'd encounter Tanami, but who knows, gravity works in weird ways

and there's also how Jotaro would probably change things too. After all, he's uncomfortably familiar with girls not taking no for an answer, and now that he's actually gotten friends? For the first time in who knows how long??? Like hell he's letting them go through that too. I can see him being much more confrontational with Yukako, not caring about sparing her feelings because to him, Koichi's comfort and recovery is much more important than her romantic interests. I wouldn't doubt that he'd just walk up to her, tell her to fuck off, and then would stick by Koichi's side for however long it takes to make sure she got the message

and not to mention, there's also the fact that at this point in time..... Koichi wouldn't be able to say as much himself. He's still healing and can't talk at all and probably has only just barely started learning sign language, so his best bet at communication would be written notes. Jotaro standing up for him would be both relieving and frustrating, the former because of the fact his friend is backing him up like this, but also frustrating because he can't say it himself

and with this all in mind, I'm currently thinking of two possible ways this could go: either 1) Yukako still kidnaps Koichi or 2) Yukako kidnaps Jotaro to get him out of the picture

or who knows, maybe it could be a mix of both? Maybe she kidnaps Koichi and locks him in one of the most secure rooms in the house, maybe a basement or attic, but before she starts the process of "making him love her" she decides to go deal with Jotaro to get him out the picture more permanently. Koichi naturally panics because he doesn't want his best friend getting killed, but struggles to break out because Act 1 isn't very combat oriented. However, Yukako also hadn't been anticipating Koichi having a Stand at all, and Stands can pass through walls, so given enough time it's entirely possible he came up with something

heck, maybe his determination to escape ends up being the trigger he needs to unlock Act 2. Maybe Act 1 was unlocked by him recognising and accepting help for his new disability (and it also ties in a good deal to Act 1's ability, being sound and word generation), so perhaps he can unlock Act 2 by also acknowledging he can't always be rescued. Jotaro had already saved him from Keicho, and Okuyasu had been doing everything he could to help him to make up for things. Right now, the both of them were in danger and Koichi was the only one who knew or could help

(now, is Koichi going to need to see the hospital again after all this is over? Absolutely, 100%. Yukako wasn't very gentle will her kidnapping, she literally slammed him into the roof in canon, plus as thorough as she is...... I'm honestly skeptical on whether or not she'd know to grab the medications he'd undoubtedly be taking)

YESSSSSSSSS

while Jolyne's body may not have the pure muscle and intimidation factor that Jonathan's original one had he's far from helpless. As you mentioned there's the aforementioned Hamon and boxing, plus how Hamon would work really well with The Passion when he gets pricked

and it's definitely an accident at first. Jonathan couldn't help it! He wants to help people, no matter whether or not they can give him anything in return. And while he may not teach them Hamon (he realises pretty early on just how dangerous that could get if he taught others), he can teach them how to defend themselves and get away from danger

For a bit of fun chaos, I like to image there was an instance where two people he taught used the things he learned to pick on others and he marched his way over and started scolding the shit out of them. He gave them a flawless "I'm not mad just disappointed" look and speech like he was their parent or something and he looked to genuine and upset and oh god I feel so bad what the fuck was I thinking-

and just to add a but of extra fun spice to it, maybe one of the two ends up attacking him because You Can't Tell Us What To Do Short Stack only to promptly get their ass handed to them on a silver platter. Maybe even a broken bone or two........ but then when it's over Jonathan completely heals the opponent but leaves himself injured so when the guard shows up it looks like the fight was completely one-sided

was that a bit tricky of him to fool the guard like that? Yes, he feels terrible about it for days afterward and can't get the mental image of Dio out of his head, but he isn't going to just let this person use what he taught them to hurt people that just wouldn't be nice >:(

he doesn't even realise how many people he's befriended until Hermes makes a comment about it and he almost starts crying because he hasn't had this many friends EVER, he's still honestly trying to come to terms with the fact he has friends period

once again, I'm loving the mental image of Hermes and Gwess trying their absolute damnedest to just Keep Jojo Alive. They know he's powerful and that he should theoretically be able to handle himself, and most of the time he's honestly really reliable! He's surprisingly emotionally intelligent and knows just what to say....... but then right after he'll do the stupidest (/aff) shit imaginable and they'll remember "right, this is the same guy who thought the tv was trapping people inside and that blood letting was an acceptable medical treatment"

also, speaking of Atroe, I had a silly idea for how Foo slides into things: I think it would if they're just Body Buddies. That's it. Foo expressed interest in helping out Jonathan for the respect he showed them and Atroe was like "welcome to the club! Jojo's really cool and nice so I can't blame you, why don't you come with :D" and just lets Foo vibe in their body

would this work biologically? I don't think so, but also consider It Would Be Funny For The Sake Of The AU