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Oh I had. A thought for the Cinderella Rewrite AU. Because now there's a girl out there who is extraordinarily pissed at Yukako, right?

Well that's great for Yoshihiro Kira who is trying to find people willing to distract the Morioh Gang from hunting down and finding his son. And this girl already has a grudge against one of them? Perfect Enemy Stand potential!

There are so many ways this plotline could go which is amazing. Does the girl learn the error of her ways or remain stubborn, becoming a shadow archetype to Yukako, someone unwilling to settle her feelings in a healthy way? Does Koichi beat her or does Yukako? Does this happen on The Thursday? If so, does Yukako reluctantly drag in someone like Hazamada to help or does she try to go it alone only to fail and need the help of, say, Joseph or Tonio?

Speaking of which, if it isn't on The Thursday, where is Yukako during All Of That?

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OOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S A FUN IDEA TO GO WITH AND A GREAT WAY TO TURN THIS INTO A THREE SECTION ARC 👀👀👀

While I have no idea what her Stand could be, I LOVE the idea of her being turned into a Stand User and getting involved in The Thursday. Maybe she ends up teaming up with Terunosuke in the kidnapping of Koichi and it sorta skews how everything goes. What her Stand is will definitely impact how things are going, but with how we've created her there are. So many possibilities and I'm not sure which would be best. I do think it should be more inclined to trickery than straight up power but other than that I've got nothing

ANYWAYS tho, as for how this ties into things and redirects them: maybe the girl (also, we really need to give her a name don't we) was set up to work with Terunosuke, but under the condition that Koichi and Yukako were hers. Teru does his thing and kidnaps Koichi and Tomoko, but he ends up passing Paper Koichi off to the girl

Josuke, Okuyasu, Yukako and Yuya are all going to temporarily be together and chasing after Terunosuke, but maybe somewhere during the chase the girl ends up jumping them and goads Yukako into a fight. Yukako tells the others to go on ahead and keep chasing after Teru and that she'll catch up later. It only after they've left that Yukako learns Koichi is actually here. I'd imagine their fight is a lot of chasing and shouting, and personally I really like the possibility of Tonio and Joseph getting involved, though I'm not super sure how

Koichi definitely gets freed at some point, and when he joins the fight there's a noticeable difference in the tide. After all, out of the four of them Koichi has the 2nd most combat experience (plus, Joseph's gotten a bit nerfed because of his age) and isn't afraid to pull his punches if he genuinely believes he's in danger. He's had like. Three near death experiences at this point, two of which could be argued were just flat out death, plus who knows how many other fights where his friends were in danger. Koichi knows what's at risk here and he's not going to let anyone else get hurt if he can help it. (Now, he's not going for lethal shots, but he's definitly aiming to hurt)

and maybe that's how Tonio and Joseph get involved? For safety and potential back up, Koichi and Yukako ended up running to Tonio's since it was the closest place and Joseph just happened to be there (Shizuka is fine tho, she's Jotaro at the moment), and they end up getting wrapped into things

for the resolution of this, I'll admit I really want to play into the fact that this girl has no IDEA what's actually going on or how much is actually at stake here, and how her ignorance to it has consequences. She's far from blameless of course, she did do some really fucked up shit in the past and now, but she also had no idea she's gotten involved with serial killers who are looking to do far worse than high school bullying. She'd been so wrapped up in her own little world of getting revenge that she hadn't thought to think Hey Maybe The Weird Picture Man With The Arrow Doesn't Have My Best Interests At Heart

Now does this mean she gets off scott free? No, and to be honest given the amount of property damage and kidnapping and manipulation she's done she's definitely going to be on the Foundation's radar, double especially because she's a User who was again, working for a known serial killer (albeit unknowingly)

but finally, after weeks and weeks of all of this happening, she finally gets to see how there's more to this world that her immediate circle and there are going to be concesuqences for her actions

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Have you considered that the Class President girl’s stand has something to do with cause and effect? She was getting vengeance on Yukako, didn’t think her actions had consequences, and her existence as an antagonist is solely because Yukako was pursuing Koichi. I think using consequences as a common thing over the arc would be a good idea. Maybe we hear other students talking about how Yukako only snuck her way out of juvie because she had money, or how they heard about her kidnapping another student. Maybe we sometimes see background characters with the weird Cinderella eyes until the end of that episode. Bonus points if Kira’s “wife” also gets them because that’s just how Cinderella works, and it helps to tip off Hayato.

Anyway, I think a fun ironic power would be intangibility. Maybe she can’t be touched, but can still touch other things, like stands, except she can’t even be touched by those. She has Yukako on the ropes…until she doesn’t. Her intangibility stops, and she suddenly starts to take all of the damage at once. Maybe multiplied, because sitting on something just makes it worse.. It isn’t lethal, but she gets a broken arm and a few cuts. I’m not sure how it should end. A stand cooldown might be neat, but it could also be interesting if while Stands can’t hit her, their effects can be applied. So she gets hit by a bunch of sounds from Echoes ACT 1, that surprise her, making her drop the stand and then get hit.

Oooooooooo that's a REALLY fun idea

I'm in love with the idea of using Consequences/Cause And Effect as a big central idea for this AU, and it works perfectly with my vision of what I want this to be. There's the fun duality of both Yukako and the Class President not realizing there were consequences, but when faced with them Yukako decided to learn from her mistakes while CP just tried to take it even further

it would also be really fun to play with just how much of her being an antagonist is her fault. Of Yukako acknowledging her mistakes and maybe even apologizing for what she'd done and started, but also there being an understanding that while Yukako might have started it, ever single decision up to this point had been the CP's own. She chose to escalate things to this point, chose to hurt Koichi out of revenge, to ally herself with powerful enemies just to hurt them

she isn't evil person, but she's definitely not a good one either

and intangibility could be V E R Y fun to play with, especially with the possibly backlash A La Jojo Stand Rules™

what if, to keep going with the Cause/Affect stuff, she can control how things affect each other but misinterprets what it actually is? She interprets it as intangibility, but what's actually happening is an ability similar to Kraft Work. Whatever's happening to the object is being stored and saved up to be activated later, and can be layered. The stored effects can be activated all at once or slowly over time, depending on what the User decides

this can also be a fun parallel to her situation. If the CP had been aware of her powers, she would've had a much easier time fighting. She could've absorbed the injuries she sustained and slowly over the course of the fight let them appear and thus conserve her energy while also keeping herself in good shape. But instead what happens is her running out of stamina or just reaching her limit of how much it could take, and suddenly it exploded outward

if it's the second one, it could also add an interesting aspect to the fight of how even though Yukako was angry........ she wasn't actually trying to hurt the CP too badly. It was mostly a lot of chasing and corner her, at worst disable her so she'd be stuck

but then of course Koichi is freed, and he's confused and more than a little terrified. And the first thing he sees upon being let out is Yukako slightly injured and out of breath, Tonio and Joseph trying to help, and the same girl who used a Stand to manipulate him without him knowing

it's only natural he lashes out

(also, separate from all this I've been trying to come up possible ideas for names since she........ REALLY needs one at this point, but I've got nothing ;-; so if anyone has any suggestions please feel free to share-)

So, as for the name, I actually found something really interesting about Yukako’s original name I wanted to share (though I’m not exactly getting this from a credible source, so take it with a grain of salt). Apparently, her name is sort of a pun. Yukako herself is supposed to take Shoujo tropes to the extreme, right? Well, her name was made as a play on a phrase for a “perfect traditional wife” in Japan. The exact phrase is “Yamato nadeshiko” which is apparently referring to a specific kind of flower that grows at high altitudes. Meanwhile, Yukako’s name means something along the lines of a “flower at the base of a mountain.”

I thought that that could be used somehow. The President, as we’ve written so far, is a foil to Yukako, so I felt like it fits. As it turns out, Nadeshiko is a given name, albeit somewhat rare. Maybe a bit heavy handed, but workable and plays into her ego.

As for the surname, using “yama,” for mountain somewhere sounds good to me. “Maruyama” is a decent one- usually it means round mountain, but “Maru” can also be used for something complete or perfect in other contexts, so I think we can repurpose it.

So something like “Perfect Flower on a perfect mountain?” Nadeshiko Maruyama.

Anyway, I had the idea that we could rewrite Nadeshiko into being the last person to see Shigeki alive. You know, for the hurt.

OOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S REALLY CLEVER!!!!!!!

this is the exact kind of thing I was looking for, I love it. Nadeshiko Maruyama is perfect

and yesssssss, Nadeshiko doing that is both incredibly in character and adds more layers of her lack of self awarness <333

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Oh I had. A thought for the Cinderella Rewrite AU. Because now there's a girl out there who is extraordinarily pissed at Yukako, right?

Well that's great for Yoshihiro Kira who is trying to find people willing to distract the Morioh Gang from hunting down and finding his son. And this girl already has a grudge against one of them? Perfect Enemy Stand potential!

There are so many ways this plotline could go which is amazing. Does the girl learn the error of her ways or remain stubborn, becoming a shadow archetype to Yukako, someone unwilling to settle her feelings in a healthy way? Does Koichi beat her or does Yukako? Does this happen on The Thursday? If so, does Yukako reluctantly drag in someone like Hazamada to help or does she try to go it alone only to fail and need the help of, say, Joseph or Tonio?

Speaking of which, if it isn't on The Thursday, where is Yukako during All Of That?

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OOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S A FUN IDEA TO GO WITH AND A GREAT WAY TO TURN THIS INTO A THREE SECTION ARC 👀👀👀

While I have no idea what her Stand could be, I LOVE the idea of her being turned into a Stand User and getting involved in The Thursday. Maybe she ends up teaming up with Terunosuke in the kidnapping of Koichi and it sorta skews how everything goes. What her Stand is will definitely impact how things are going, but with how we've created her there are. So many possibilities and I'm not sure which would be best. I do think it should be more inclined to trickery than straight up power but other than that I've got nothing

ANYWAYS tho, as for how this ties into things and redirects them: maybe the girl (also, we really need to give her a name don't we) was set up to work with Terunosuke, but under the condition that Koichi and Yukako were hers. Teru does his thing and kidnaps Koichi and Tomoko, but he ends up passing Paper Koichi off to the girl

Josuke, Okuyasu, Yukako and Yuya are all going to temporarily be together and chasing after Terunosuke, but maybe somewhere during the chase the girl ends up jumping them and goads Yukako into a fight. Yukako tells the others to go on ahead and keep chasing after Teru and that she'll catch up later. It only after they've left that Yukako learns Koichi is actually here. I'd imagine their fight is a lot of chasing and shouting, and personally I really like the possibility of Tonio and Joseph getting involved, though I'm not super sure how

Koichi definitely gets freed at some point, and when he joins the fight there's a noticeable difference in the tide. After all, out of the four of them Koichi has the 2nd most combat experience (plus, Joseph's gotten a bit nerfed because of his age) and isn't afraid to pull his punches if he genuinely believes he's in danger. He's had like. Three near death experiences at this point, two of which could be argued were just flat out death, plus who knows how many other fights where his friends were in danger. Koichi knows what's at risk here and he's not going to let anyone else get hurt if he can help it. (Now, he's not going for lethal shots, but he's definitly aiming to hurt)

and maybe that's how Tonio and Joseph get involved? For safety and potential back up, Koichi and Yukako ended up running to Tonio's since it was the closest place and Joseph just happened to be there (Shizuka is fine tho, she's Jotaro at the moment), and they end up getting wrapped into things

for the resolution of this, I'll admit I really want to play into the fact that this girl has no IDEA what's actually going on or how much is actually at stake here, and how her ignorance to it has consequences. She's far from blameless of course, she did do some really fucked up shit in the past and now, but she also had no idea she's gotten involved with serial killers who are looking to do far worse than high school bullying. She'd been so wrapped up in her own little world of getting revenge that she hadn't thought to think Hey Maybe The Weird Picture Man With The Arrow Doesn't Have My Best Interests At Heart

Now does this mean she gets off scott free? No, and to be honest given the amount of property damage and kidnapping and manipulation she's done she's definitely going to be on the Foundation's radar, double especially because she's a User who was again, working for a known serial killer (albeit unknowingly)

but finally, after weeks and weeks of all of this happening, she finally gets to see how there's more to this world that her immediate circle and there are going to be concesuqences for her actions

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Have you considered that the Class President girl’s stand has something to do with cause and effect? She was getting vengeance on Yukako, didn’t think her actions had consequences, and her existence as an antagonist is solely because Yukako was pursuing Koichi. I think using consequences as a common thing over the arc would be a good idea. Maybe we hear other students talking about how Yukako only snuck her way out of juvie because she had money, or how they heard about her kidnapping another student. Maybe we sometimes see background characters with the weird Cinderella eyes until the end of that episode. Bonus points if Kira’s “wife” also gets them because that’s just how Cinderella works, and it helps to tip off Hayato.

Anyway, I think a fun ironic power would be intangibility. Maybe she can’t be touched, but can still touch other things, like stands, except she can’t even be touched by those. She has Yukako on the ropes…until she doesn’t. Her intangibility stops, and she suddenly starts to take all of the damage at once. Maybe multiplied, because sitting on something just makes it worse.. It isn’t lethal, but she gets a broken arm and a few cuts. I’m not sure how it should end. A stand cooldown might be neat, but it could also be interesting if while Stands can’t hit her, their effects can be applied. So she gets hit by a bunch of sounds from Echoes ACT 1, that surprise her, making her drop the stand and then get hit.

Oooooooooo that's a REALLY fun idea

I'm in love with the idea of using Consequences/Cause And Effect as a big central idea for this AU, and it works perfectly with my vision of what I want this to be. There's the fun duality of both Yukako and the Class President not realizing there were consequences, but when faced with them Yukako decided to learn from her mistakes while CP just tried to take it even further

it would also be really fun to play with just how much of her being an antagonist is her fault. Of Yukako acknowledging her mistakes and maybe even apologizing for what she'd done and started, but also there being an understanding that while Yukako might have started it, ever single decision up to this point had been the CP's own. She chose to escalate things to this point, chose to hurt Koichi out of revenge, to ally herself with powerful enemies just to hurt them

she isn't evil person, but she's definitely not a good one either

and intangibility could be V E R Y fun to play with, especially with the possibly backlash A La Jojo Stand Rules™

what if, to keep going with the Cause/Affect stuff, she can control how things affect each other but misinterprets what it actually is? She interprets it as intangibility, but what's actually happening is an ability similar to Kraft Work. Whatever's happening to the object is being stored and saved up to be activated later, and can be layered. The stored effects can be activated all at once or slowly over time, depending on what the User decides

this can also be a fun parallel to her situation. If the CP had been aware of her powers, she would've had a much easier time fighting. She could've absorbed the injuries she sustained and slowly over the course of the fight let them appear and thus conserve her energy while also keeping herself in good shape. But instead what happens is her running out of stamina or just reaching her limit of how much it could take, and suddenly it exploded outward

if it's the second one, it could also add an interesting aspect to the fight of how even though Yukako was angry........ she wasn't actually trying to hurt the CP too badly. It was mostly a lot of chasing and corner her, at worst disable her so she'd be stuck

but then of course Koichi is freed, and he's confused and more than a little terrified. And the first thing he sees upon being let out is Yukako slightly injured and out of breath, Tonio and Joseph trying to help, and the same girl who used a Stand to manipulate him without him knowing

it's only natural he lashes out

(also, separate from all this I've been trying to come up possible ideas for names since she........ REALLY needs one at this point, but I've got nothing ;-; so if anyone has any suggestions please feel free to share-)

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