Character Archetypes in HH/HB

As I watched both shows, I realized that characters typically fell into specific roles. Note, some may fall into more than one category and there are some exceptions to these.

The Loveable Jerk

The Bad Guy

The Female Character

The Butt Monkey

The Background Character

Stolas has fetishized blitzo from the beginning of the show and has the nerve to get upset when he gets called out for it

And Vivziepop expect us to forget that ever happened because in her OWN words "The pilot is no longer canon" which yeah, but if that's the case and you want us to believe that Stolas isn't a bad person, you'll have to say that episode 1 of season 1, episode 2 of season 1 and the other episodes that show Stolas in a bad light as non-canon too lmao.

Or completely rewrite them, because you can't just try and throw all the blame on Blitz or people who rightfully call Stolas out and then gaslight said people and try to write Stolas off as the "victim"

Stolitz if it was well-written:

I don't get it since I never watched this series, could you please give an explanation? /genq /nbr

I'm honestly disgusted right now

Just gonna say the pinata gets WAY worse when you remember imps are canonically an oppressed class used for slave labor.

Vivziepop is still Transphobic 10 years later!

(I'm writing this as a trans non-binary person btw)

Basically: "Transmen are only depressed females who are ashamed of being women" In other screenshots, she has another pfp, which people already knew she had a Blitz pfp, people thought it was fake cause of the moe pfp. But right here there was proved it was her. Dates match up and all. This is all in 2023!

This is directly from Ken btw, who they were friends with- and worked on Hazbin. Also wrote a most of the fucking pilot and got ""additional writing" credits... plus the Cherry bomb thing too!

"I honestly believe it's incredibly rare, VALID as hell, but rare"

Based on this few messages alone, you should realize her ""acceptance"" of trans-people is selective as fuck. She also NEEDED to state the trans people are rare, so bad here too. I as a trans person, I have always considered this a BIG red flag! Because people who say that are ready to invalidate others on the idea of "trans people are rare, you must not be trans because you don't fit my standard!"

Here she is using She/Her on Ken who uses only They/Them. She already knew Ken as a friend, so the misgendering here is just rotten.

All of this is recent as fuck! Since Hazbin was getting made until 2023! This one below, of Salem, shows xe experienced the same thing during the start of Helluva Boss. (Below there is a link to a threat talking about Viv being terrible to xem!)

Here also seems to be another trans character, from millie's siblings! Designed to be transmasc?

Oh fuck me, never mind! They changed his design to be a cis male imp.

I have already talked about how I personally feel about how Sallie may is treated! Viv treats all trans characters and people terrible, and she has something against transmasc people specially. -And for someone so selectively transphobic, with all of her comments-she is transphobic against Non-binary people! I mean, she already didn't respect the usage of them/they pronouns, so... She can not go around saying this shit of telling queer stories and people who critique me are being homophobic WHEN SHE IS LIKE THIS.

This is older, too! Viv has being transphobic back then and still is! Drawing a caricature of a transman you don't like -like this!?

This is a meme video that Vivziepop did too. This is rotten. People sure can change, but this woman has being transphobic over 10 years, like... I don't know how old is this character but- you can search fan art of this character since 2015...

Again please read:

Why is Angel's SA literally the only one taken "seriously" (if you can even call it that.) Every other one is either made into a joke or punchline (Pent or Mox) or completely ignored and they pretend it isn't happening (Blitz) Why is Angel's the only one that matters???

The call is coming from inside the house

Oh she's definitely still salty she got called out for hiring a Proshipper cos she's one too & one thing about Proshippers, they defend their peoples.

Viv: It's not illegal lol!?

Also Viv: Fucking incest 😡😡, kill them Blitz.

Hey by the way- don't take the leaks as canon.

I know they look canon- but they're also unfinished and they could become deleted scenes because they don't make the final cut. So I'm not freaking out- just yet.

I feel really bad for Helluva Boss fans. They’ve been wanting a Millie episode for forever (hell I’ve wanted that) and when they get one it’s her doing the same thing she always does: making the men in her life feel better.

She has one job in Ghostfuckers: restore Blitzo’s broken ego. Tell him he’s a special little boy that did nothing wrong. Hell if it wasn’t for Blitzo, Minnie would still be a “wild and crazy” mercenary instead of a…domesticated housewife? God she really got neutered didn’t she :(

None of this is new obviously. It’s the same crap I said in my video over a year ago. But I guess I was hoping for at least some acknowledgement that things might get better. I hate the show, but I also love it? It’s too fascinating to write off. I mean I gotta be Helluva Boss’s most prominent scholar at this point.

Whether purposeful or accidental…it’s kind of an evil show. Or at least, it has really bad messages. A bit ago I concluded that the most generous interpretation of Helluva Boss is it’s soft core smut you’re not supposed to take seriously. Toxicity is hot as long as you understand it’s actually bad in real life. If I have to think of this show as a real story with real characters, it’s pretty awful. Maybe the safest bet is for us to turn off our brains and jerk it :(

Well said Madeline. I was actually clinging to crumbs for Millie I actually settled for... this eventually. Such a shame because they really have potential for her. Also Loona since she got left behind to look after Moxxie & boost him up. All coming back round to like you say making the men feel better.

Its also the "stolitz show" at this point, so anything that slightly diverts off to a female character has to come back round or tie in crucially to a male character & ultimately in the end developing their character further. All I learnt from Millie is what is previously established about her, this time its finally shown but for what we already know. Only small moment we saw of Loona and Millie actually talking seeing eye to eye.. was to do with comforting & keeping an eye on Moxxie.

Its also fascinating to me in a hate/love way, something about it annoyingly itches my brain I got to pick at it with every new episode that's released.

Ramblings sorry haha.

What was the point expecting anything other than dry bones for Millie, Loona even. Vivienne going as far making this bloody long thread (post at the end) hyping people up what she's got in store for Millie when we all know how she writes. Anything written for Millie or Loona or whatever female character is not really for them. Everything written for them has to 1 tie somehow in to a male character & 2 whats written for them ultimately developes a male character more.

Two instances in the latest episode. First instance:

Loona and Millie finally interacting that doesn't have to do with work or saving the other 2 (dorks episode). And what was their conversation about...Moxxie. Millie asking her to look after him. Which understandable Millie feels she has a lot on her plate having to deal with both of them at the same time but it comes back to their "development" comes centered around a man & furthering their character.

Side tangent on how their "development" developing male character more:

From this whole thing of Millie taking a client job what I learned about Moxxie is that he does the businesses finances, he overworks himself so much he 'shuts down' in highly stressful situations especially when its beyond his control or limits, he regrets he didn't become a theatre critic.

What I learnt about Millie, she cares for Blitz & Moxxie (know this), she actually has some sort of relationship with Loona (kind of this but its logical she would have). What I learnt on Loona, she's caring dispite her tough put on persona (definitively know this), she's smart as she picked up Moxxie didn't calculate properly (didn't know this but never doubted her intelligence really).

I learnt 3 new things about Moxxie and Millie & Loona just more examples of things I already know about them because it was said about them or things I never doubted they had already naturally.

Second instance:

Millie's backstory. Her whole backstory only came about because of Blitz, because of his hallucinations she brought up her backstory as a means of comfort to HIM.

Breaking apart her backstory, yeah she doesn't owe Blitz shit nor should apologise for this:

Blitz who we seen throughout the series has done a lot of respecting towards her and her husband.

Listing the "respecting" and not a full list only what I remember

*Episode 1 constantly mistreating and physically hurting her husband, end of the episode going as far making a rape threat towards both of them.

*Episode 2 having explicit sexual fantasies about the two of them at work knowing they've in a monogamous relationship & they established that firmly.

*Episode 5 constantly invalidates her husband in front of her & her family, doesn't show him an ounce of respect ever here.

*Episode 7 stalks them on a date the two of them planned, even after Moxxie verbally told him not to, he disregarded their boundaries in all regards

And so on and so forth so this line girl no.

You cannot establish multiple times Blitz was nothing but a piece of shit towards them then all of a sudden flip it that he actually saved her, gave her a good life ect and then have her say sorry dispite all previously established in show.

Aside, also good luck to her on career, a future in the long run. Millie your pension benefit is gone

I know this show runs on having you "forget" what was previously established because its written like a bad fanfic but come on now its getting really ridiculous.

Vivienne YOU don't understand Millie or rather want to understand her more, only when you do is to when it comes to building your male characters more and just like the previous episodes, she fit the bill nicely developing Moxxie and Blitz further, Blitz more so. No amount of solid writing in this episode from Brandon and Waters can save the mess that is before this episode.

So this whole hype thread of hers was absolute nonsense, Millie sigh may you shine bright in the actual fanfics.

This is a more thought out version of a old post of mines I made. I do mention kinks and BDSM's practices, if you a teen in the community or uncommon with that topic, please do not read this blog post.