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Danny, He/Him. former 80s-90s kid. Lots of Scifi and way too much media, too many gifs. It's Not a Stargate Rewatch Rewatch (SGU S2), V The Series (1984) Various other media. ko-fi.com/spockvarietyhour
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so i know the 'dont wait for the translation, answer me now!' quote from the trial scene in Undiscovered Country was a reference to the cuban missile crisis negotiations at the UN, but it is a fantastic fourth wall breaker if you consider kirk to be utterly clueless regarding the klingon language.

see, when chang turns to kirk and shouts 'dont wait for the translation, answer me now!' and he ANSWERS.. it's one of two things to me..

the first is.. it's like.. i know you don't speak klingon, Tiberius, so now we're watching one of those scenes in a movie where they dispense with the subtitles and translation delays using a clever close up or subtle focus pull to lift us from one context to another. and it didn't break immersion!

but the second perspective is that kirk has done his whole 'im very smart but theres no need to advertise it' thing where he is actually this whole time fluent in perfect klingon and his disdain for them plus the potential strategic benefits of keeping it secret make it something to be mentioned only in absolute necessity or when there is no loss of tactical advantage or clout in doing so.

it's great; it works on its own without the need for a history lesson. in my head it is a deliberate pseudo-fourth wall break that dispenses with potential clunkiness at a key moment in the scene where the energy and pacing need to flow unabated. i'll shut up now.

#Star Trek VI#Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country#TUC#James T Kirk
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Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Deleted Scene "Operation Retrieve" feat. Rene Auberjonois as Colonel West

#Not my ass finding out last year they named him Colonel West bc of Oliver North 😂😂😂#anyhoo they should have kept it in every edition#the 4k versions kept it but not the blurays#the directors cut of the dvd had it#Also with a ran of Colonel - which in Starfleet we hadn't encountered before - I wonder if that's been retconned to MACO thing.#maybe a leftover from the enterprise era and we're still integrating them#also always gotta point out this is happening in Ten Forward#Star Trek VI#Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country#TUC#Colonel West#Rene Auberjonois#deleted scenes#Operation Retrieve#Odo#DS9#Youtube
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was rewatching Trek V w @kiranerys and compared to VI, V barely puts any effort in redressing TNG sets (and some of those are they themselves repurposed from earlier movies). Usually I'll just point out the hallways,

which aside from hastily put on panels to cover the black LCARS screens and the change in turbolift cars, the rest is the same (no money to change signage on the door, carpeting,.....)

VI does a smart attempt by adding some overhead pipes and hatchways and a different lighting scheme to make it more claustrophobic.

(does it mesh with wider hallways of of wrath of khan? no. but it gets the job done).

Even the transporters get a decent redress with the blast shield and removal of the isolinear stack (and the 88-89 need for neon accents on everything)

(as covered here in more detail)

Anyhoo, all of this preamble to say that, since my childhood was watching these movies in 4:3 and V is the one I revisit the least, I didn't notice until this watch that when Scotty wakes up in Sickbay the okudgrams behind him are the TNG ones:

Something theatre audiences would see but not television ones as that would be entirely cropped out.

just hilarious that's all. Trek movies would continue to pass sets back and forth to each other as the movies kept going on but trek vi does a better job including the TNG sickbay:

(shhh it's dark so you can't tell we didn't change much and we have the right consoles above the biobeds)

The President's Ten Forward:

snazzy dark Conference room

(the glass hides the shape of the windows)

#just a lil thing I hadn't noticed before is all#you know this was just gonna be a small post with the scotty pic and lcars but I couldn't help myself lmao#They really just weren't trying#And by the time First Contact/Insurrection rolls around we'll borrow the Voyager sets too....#so many things went wrong with this movie and some of it the quality of movies that came bc of the 88 guild strike#and cost cutting measures#Star Trek V#star trek v the final frontier#TFF#Star Trek VI#star trek vi the undiscovered country#TUC#TNG#set design#production design
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