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Stop y'all, Kishi knew what he was doing.

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Naruto, JJK, Mushishi, KNY, maybe more, we'll see. I ship Sasuke with Naruto. Antis DNI. I don't tolerate vile behaviour on my blog and will retaliate strictly.
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Anonymous asked:

Megumi is bi. He had feelings for his sister (he thought of her when being asked about his type, and imagined her in a field of sunflowers which is symbolism of his feelings for her) but he also warmed up to Yuji, because he fits his type as well (and Gege made Todo bring up liking men as a nod to that). He placed the two side by side more than once. A lot of people in the fandom don't want to acknowledge the former because it's "problematic" (same way with Mai's feelings towards Maki). Some people got offended at Gege for having Yorozu act that way in Tsumiki's body towards Sukuna who was in Megumi's body, but I'm sure it was his intention.

Aaaah is that right? I haven't read those chapters yet, after Sukuna takes over Megumi.

Some of you have sent asks about Jjk and now I guess I will have to reserve time to read it. Okay, is there anyone out there who hasn't read it, and is interested in reading it with me? I can read it faster that way because added pressure helps.

One thing I can agree with without even reading those chapters is this - Gege is fearless, subversive, he doesn't care about your typical shounen fan service, and I really like him for that.

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I have written a little about how Sakura is written to be irrelevant throughout the narrative by Kishi, and as a result, demeaning her character through the literary tool of subversion. Here's another example of how Kishimoto makes Sakura's character redundant and very intently makes her the laughingstock of the manga. Like I have mentioned before, he gets some kind of perverse pleasure out of showing both Hinata and Sakura down and he would go a painstakingly intricate and at times, long way to do it too.

I will be publishing a longer write up about this subversion that Kishi uses for Sakura as an answer to an ask but I am writing this particular post separately because this bunch of chapters portray a series of incidents where Kishi really does it without any subtlety and is pretty in your face about it too, like you can viscerally feel his disdain towards Sakura's character just wafting over and it has made her a huge target for ridicule, it has become a ubiquitous topic for very popular jokes and memes even outside the fandom, lol.

Okay, so the chapter I am talking about is chapter 675 where Sakura has just been kamui'd out by Obito from his space time dimension to protect her from Madara's attack after she fails to stab his rinnegan eye. But she never had much determination to speak of unless it had to do with showing off to Sasuke and Naruto, mostly Sasuke. What is interesting to notice is that it also pointedly harks back to something else that she did (or didn't do lol) with her kunai which resulted in a frustrated and (greatly) annoyed audience, courtesy Kishi.

Her nervous expression, the trembling kunai just centimetres away from its target but unable to reach it, failure to do it anyway, giving an opening to her opponent that could have easily been avoided had she been a little more resolute (no one really asked her to take on Sasuke though, that was her own decision given her poor sense of judgment, fighting strategy and skills), getting attacked by the opponent and then getting rescued by someone. Mostly Naruto.

#Redundant

Anyway. She couldn't do anything, having failed to stab Obito's eye so she is transported back by Obito and she joins Kakashi and Sasuke who are waiting for Madara to return. She sees Kakashi's condition and starts to heal him. Naruto leaves his clone to hold Madara's shadow captive with his sage of six paths staff and returns to Sasuke's side, his better half of the 'main act' of the war which has already been established at this point.

So seeing Sakura healing Kakashi, he takes over from a resisting Sakura and heals him. The ONE thing that she could do and not feel redundant in the trio is taken away from her, lolol.

He not only heals him, he gives him a brand new eye, something that is beyond the reach of prevailing medical jutsu itself. How can Sakura even hope to compete with this? Lolol. Kishi, you sadistic so and so! You won't even let her catch a break.

Naruto can't explain and doesn't even understand how he did it and it took Sakura years of effort to learn medical jutsu and achieve a stage where she could even use her mitotic regeneration jutsu. Hahahahaha.

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Okay, now then, Sasuke tells Naruto to keep his guard up while Sakura is acting like her usual pointlessly high handed self trying to condescend to Naruto who just made her presence utterly pointless, and Kakashi starts to reminisce about team seven dynamic. Kakashi, a man who has a very shallow understanding of his team members (he thinks Sakura's love has changed from what it was and that she is kind and gentle lol) and not at all about Sasuke, which he thankfully admits.

But what's funny to me is that Kishi was totally focusing on showing Sakura down, mercilessly. So Kakashi is seen reminiscing about their first day in team seven.

Sakura squealing like a typical immature fangirl crushing over an entirely disinterested and quite embarrassed boy, while having no other goal or objective. While Naruto announces his goal to surpass the current hokage, Sasuke divulges his ambition of restoring his clan's honour and killing Itachi, Sakura just blushes and squeals.

Kakashi thinks she is kind and gentle (because of course he has never seen Sakura treating Naruto, at times even a badly injured Naruto, like a punching bag and manipulating him and everyone else for her ill conceived plans), she has grown and her love for Sasuke has matured because she still cares about him even though he tried to kill her in kage arc. Oh sure, running after a boy and begging for his attention no matter what the circumstances or timing is totally what a mature woman would do, lol. Thing is, he has got blinders on when it comes to Sakura because he obviously very conveniently forgets that Sakura attacked Sasuke first, in fact, she went there with the sole intention of killing Sasuke, while not knowing the truth but suspecting something, after having orchestrated a plan that included fake confessing to Naruto (#rejected lol), drugging her team mates and armed with a puny poisoned kunai which she didn't have the presence of mind to deduce would be pointless against Sasuke who trained with Orochimaru for years, some medical ninja, lol.

Kakashi treats her with kid gloves and doesn't understand Sasuke's feelings or motivations given his own lack of perception and failure to understand the intricacies of emotions and relationships, he makes a lot of faux pas when it comes to his team seven members. Kishi knows that these are the questions any reader would ask since these elements were given such consistent visibility in the manga and such consistent characterisation to the players, he is not an idiot. So he uses indirect and subtle techniques and narrative elements, and forces the reader to ask questions and then provides the answers. How? By showing, not telling. Okay, a little telling as well.

Kishi has already established, through Kakashi's interactions with Obito, that Kakashi is definitely flawed as he writes him to admit that he tried his best but he made mistakes.

And that it can be contributed to his past, when he lost his father so cruelly along with his team mates. He also admits that giving false hope to Sakura when Sasuke is about to abandon Konoha was wrong. And what this proves is that Kakashi isn't infallible. His hypocrisy is very apparent when the core of his principle is to cherish his comrades and yet couldn't even attempt to understand Sasuke, given Sasuke's excruciatingly disturbing and scarring past. And even at the end, he expects Sasuke to behave and acts like it was all Sasuke's fault, not having understood him at all. The reason Sasuke gave up at the end was due to the revelatory experience he had with Naruto in chapter 698. Kakashi is emotionally stunted, perhaps which is why he is so good at being an ideal shinobi. A shinobi doesn't cry, doesn't emote, doesn't complain, doesn't break orders and protects his village with his life. Anyway, what becomes clear is that Kakashi's emotional perception is quite affected and far from accurate for sure.

Anyway, so Kakashi reminisces about what he perceives as the team seven dynamic after Naruto heals his eye and then reminds Sasuke of the first lesson he taught them when they were rookies. Sasuke remains meaningfully silent and only grunts. He obviously has a very low opinion of Kakashi, justifiably, as was established in kage arc and the succeeding chapters after this one emphasize it even more. Heh.

So what does 'Team Seven' decide on?

TEAMWORK.

Where was this notion of Team seven teamwork emphasized on the last time before this? Here.

Where Sakura is seen nursing her past insecurities and ramping her ego to join Naruto and Sasuke in the fight because she can't tolerate being protected by them anymore like a damsel in distress.

She thought she was a full fledged kunoichi after passing her genin exams, lol.

Anyway, so she doesn't want to gaze at the boys' back, meaning being shielded or protected by them, as they proceed to take on their opponent. And she manages to punch and make a dent while insulting her own sensei, like some badass that she definitely thinks she is, it becomes quite clear from her body language and expression.

Problem is, her feeling so good about herself (I have finally caught up to them) and acting like a badass is very disproportionate with her actual actions and contribution to the battle. Which is why it creates a dissonance in the reader's mind. As she keeps pulling the same shit over and over without changing or improving things, even after having certain realizations, she creates a negative impression of herself in the audience's mind. She doesn't evolve to be better in a manga where characters learn and grow as a rule which then contributes to the main plot, this is a coming of age story as well after all. Same with Hinata.

Btw, Hashirama saying her strength might be greater than Tsunade doesn't mean shit. Because he actually hasn't seen what his grand-daughter is capable of. Her strength is greater than Raikage, as Madara notices after fighting all the kages. Someone as strong as Naruto struggled to fight against Raikage when he tried to stop him from joining the war effort and so Bee had to intervene on his behalf. She couldn't even fight average cloud ninjas Omoi and Karui, lol. Like c'mon, they aren't even portrayed as some super strong, special ninjas, they are a hardly more than comedy fodder. But Kishi won't even let Sakura take some fodder level ninjas, lol, it's embarrassing. And what happens? Naruto comes to her rescue, as always. Heh. No way Sakura is stronger than Raikage, lol.

Why does Kishi do things like these? These obvious contradictions that he knows are very visible to anyone who pays attention? Especially with Sakura, where other characters like Kakashi, Shizune, Hashirama and Jiraiya remark positively about Sakura? To build expectations, make the reader anticipate some awesome action from Sakura, something that would actually justify these positive remarks in the narrative, building the premise of the action, escalating it, but then right at the moment of dramatic and narrative payback, 👎. He makes Sakura fail pathetically (he does the same thing with Hinata) by subverting the narrative development and tropes, by not satisfying the readers' expectations that he so painstakingly develops, by writing the most anti-climactic of actions at the end. No payback whatsoever. What does an actual payback look like? Cue Might Guy's opening all of the eight gates, when he smashes Madara's ribs in as he breaks his own bones in the process. Cue Tsunade grunting like a warrior goddess as she thrashes Madara's clone beyond recognition. Even Sakura when she punches the ground real hard and takes out little juubi soldiers.

He sadistically wastes all that effort that builds up the anticipation.

And what does doing that achieve? Simple. It makes the reader get really annoyed/dissatisfied with the character. And they feel compelled to berate or ridicule her character. And why won't they? They invested in the character and his/her actions in the narrative for a grand payback, watching multiple episodes or reading multiple chapters carefully, and when they don't get it, they would naturally be frustrated. Kishi consistently pulls this shit over and over again with Sakura and Hinata. And why would he go to such lengths to do shit like this? Well, it's not because he wants to make these ladies look credible or worthy. Heheh.

This is exactly why fans who don't see everything through rose coloured glasses, shipping lenses or have a good taste and a good understanding of characters and the human condition, and actually pay attention to what they are watching or reading, are so annoyed by these characters. Notice I am not saying disgusted or hateful (although some of y'all are) but mostly really annoyed and frustrated. Sakura and Hinata, more than anything else (although they are all those things too, like distasteful, boring and cringey lol), are simply annoying. Because of the reason I explained above.

Kishi is fucking relentless about it too. After this sense that he gives the reader of team seven dynamic, he pulls this shit here. No Sakura, no team. Just Naruto and Sasuke being the main act.

After which, we see Naruto and Sasuke fighting together or separately, but not with the team. But after they are given the sage of six paths power by Hagoromo, they fight together, well in sync with each other. Like they are meant to be. Sasuke bosses Naruto around, like usual, Naruto complains nostalgically but you can see he is totally enjoying it to the hilt. And both of them get shit done. Naruto stops Madara's shadow successfully as Sasuke skillfully slashes Madara's physical body in half. But before he can react further, Madara flies to Kakashi, steals his sharingan and just shoves it in his socket, because it really is that simple lol, enters Obito's space time dimension and attacks Sakura. Now Sakura has no idea about Madara's powers, not having fought him at all directly, and definitely not having fought with the juubi jinchuuriki Madara. So where on the one hand, you see Sasuke and Naruto thoughtfully device strategies to fight Madara, Sakura actually is totally clueless. But Kakashi reminds them of 'teamwork'.

So then Madara finally appears and then this happens.

Hahahahaha. Teamwork? What teamwork?Sakura doesn't even know what Madara's strengths or weaknesses are. And just as expected, he stabs her in the chest and stops her punch with his Limbo jutsu. Payback? What payback? Readers who sympathized with Sakura? Disappointed. Readers who wanted returns on their investment, disappointed. But people who understood what she was really like? Vindication. Lol.

She did the same thing here that Hinata does in Pein arc, when she charges at Pein without putting any thought into it. Hinata did it to attract Naruto's attention. And why did Sakura do it?

And what happened in both cases? Long build up resulting in them getting struck with a single hit and then being rescued by someone else. Naruto doesn't even acknowledge Hinata and Sakura droops because Sasuke ain't paying attention to her. So much for team work. Lol.

But what impression does it give to the reader?

1) Sakura's love for Sasuke didn't really evolve did it? It's the same when in part one, she climbs the tree by gathering chakra in her feet to impress Sasuke but Sasuke doesn't pay attention to her and she slumps, highly disappointed. Same as here.

2) She makes it look like she is creating an opening by using a diversionary tactic, but it's quite obvious she is really scared, but is still trying to show off to Naruto and Sasuke because she doesn't wanna stay behind, gazing at their backs again. So she attacks Madara blindly. Her desire to show off and strut around trumps her desire to actually defeat Madara. What a shinobi, lol. This is a freaking war, and she is fighting against a super strong villain who is bent on destroying their world as they know it, but she is more concerned with nursing her own shortcomings. Self centred, yes. And definitely not a badass. Just ass. Hehe.

After getting rescued by Naruto yet again, she wallows in sadness when Sasuke doesn't even glance at her but immediately calls for Naruto, who btw totally gets what he is indicating at without needing to say it out loud. Yay, team seven. Lol. So while Sasuke and Naruto get into form and fight Madara, what does Sakura do?

Precisely nothing. Just sitting there in awe of Sasuke and Naruto. Spellbound at Madara's jutsu and power, that she didn't know zilch about. Kakashi is pretty pointless here as well, but he wasn't the one who just proclaimed they remembered the teamwork lesson and jumped in a fight without any plan. At least, he had the presence of mind to stop Sakura from joining in the fight when Naruto and Sasuke charge at Madara and she again finds herself watching their backs, as he tells her to not do it unless she has a plan. And she does stop, lol. She doesn't have the power or strategy, just ego. All she wants is to impress Sasuke and show off to Naruto and others, who cares there's a war going on? Lol.

3) It becomes pretty clear who the real team is here. And Sakura is very pointedly missing from it. And it stays that way till the end, staying true to the real team seven dynamic. The Main Act.

So after hyping up the team work element, Kishi discards Sakura's inclusion with a ruthless but consistently written treatment and makes her...?

Redundant.

She couldn't heal Kakashi, she couldn't punch Madara. And she didn't mature, like Kakashi believed. Still pretty useless. Lol.

I am aware that her stans only read the most surface level. How else would they justify something they invest so much in? But unfortunately, it's a fact and not a matter of opinion that Kishi never intended to portray her positively and he certainly puts a hell lot of effort to do so in a clever manner. It's not a coincidence that she (along with Hinata) is such a hated character. It's because she has been portrayed that way. Storytelling and visual language are intuitive by nature. All I am doing here is decoding them. I am writing here what you already know. I am just explaining the how of it. Excuse the digressions lol.

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Wrong OP. There are also readers who are disgusted by Kishimoto for his mysogynistic shit.

Hating on a 2-D-character is honestly ridiculous.

Those fans baffle me who read A and deduce, I don't know, what alphabet do they use on Mars?

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So I read about Diddy case this past weekend and it reminded me of a Simpsons episode I had once seen, which featured a portrayal of Diddy's infamous white parties. So of course I opened my Disney OTT app, and watched those set of episodes. They are called The Great Phatsby btw, 12th and 13th episodes in season 28.

As the title suggests, the episodes were a satirical take on the culture on which the Great American entertainment industry runs. Of course since it's Disney, and they be money hungry like no one's business, it had ads, even though I have paid for the app, but you gotta buy the premium version (and more expensive obviously) to escape ALL the ads.

Anyway, I had to watch the ads as well. There were three ads. For three different products. One was for cooking oil made according to the specifications of my native cuisine, the other one was for mayonnaise and the ad featured models from my country, and the third ad was a Levis ad. And guess who was the model used for this ad.

It was none other than Beyonce Knowles. Lol. And you might not find it curious but it was curious to me because see, this was the first time I had seen a Beyonce ad without me actively looking for it. I don't live in the States or even in the same continent, I don't buy from American brands, I don't listen to her music, I have never googled her even, definitely not in many years at least, it's not my area of interest, and I don't wear jeans, I am not really the target audience for this ad. We generally don't get to see ads with foreign models/celebrities because we are simply not the target audience for it. And thing is, we do have native celebrities who are ambassadors of Levis, and who make a lot of Levis ads as well. But those aren't the ones I saw, I saw the ad with the B-woman. The last time I remember seeing a foreign celebrity in an ad was on YouTube almost a decade ago, I think it was Jennifer Aniston in an Emirates ad.

And you know what Beyonce was wearing in the ad as she stalked around the set, with a challenging, Devil may care look in her eyes? All White. Lolol.

Furthermore, once I finished watching those two White Party episodes, I wanted to see if I would see the same set of ads for the rest of Simpsons episodes, but I didn't see the Levis ad again...

Coincidence or not? Haha though, I won't be surprised if it wasn't. These folks are the artists of petty. I hope to see all of them behind bars for the rest of their miserable lives including Will Smith.

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Anonymous asked:

I'm gonna be honest with you though. Even if they are officialized in some way in Boruto, I will be happy, but I will erase Boruto out of my mind and imagine them going back to the end of chapter 699 and continue from there without anything to do with Sakura and Hinata. They deserve better than the clownery that happens in Borutoverse. And I know Kishi would have preferred it that way so I think it's okay.

Completely fair.

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Anonymous asked:

Long time ago I send you ask laughing how Ino is actually relevant in the plot of Boruto and how Naruto and Shikamaru are relying on her, while Sakura and Hinata are irrelevant (except with Sakura shown to be healing for one panel). Well it's still the same case currently, Shikamaru and Ino are actually relevant in the plot now when Naruto and Sasuke are immobile. But no Sakura to be seen. And I'm laughing!

I am not following Boruto but now that you have told me this, I am laughing right along with you. Hahahah. Even in Shippuden, Ino had more development as compared to Sakura, in terms of tough battle situations and team spirit. She contributed to the war arc significantly with her shintenshin no jutsu, and carried her father's legacy well even right after he passed away. That shows maturity. Something neither Sakura nor Hinata could show until the end. Ino also had a very good relationship with her team mates, unlike Sakura who tended to bully Naruto because of her jealousy, given Sasuke often gave him the attention she wanted. And stalked Sasuke. And Hinata who would gladly ask Naruto to cheat using her, forgetting her own team mates who could be disqualified for her mistake. Even Naruto clocks it for her when she couldn't. She also cared for Naruto's injuries more than Kiba's during the chuunin one on one battle arc. Not to mention how she put the entire village at risk by provoking nine tails just because of her ill timed and clearly selfish confession in Pein arc.

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Anonymous asked:

I meant the panel you had in the old post you just linked. Where Sakura holding her hair thinks "this is a system that encourages cheating... hopefully Naruto and Sasuke won't be foolish and try to cheat" yes it's obvious she doesn't get it since she hopes they won't try to cheat, but I'm sure SS only read the first part and thought Sakura understood it. Sorry I didn't meant this to become such back and fort, I know SS are delusional, I was just trying to explain how their mind probably works.

Oh okay got it. lol. Yeah yeah, just coping.

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Anonymous asked:

Lol I think SS think "this is a system that encourages cheating" (or Viz wording which was something like "pushes you to cheat") is confirmation she understood what it was about. Or maybe they are just coping.

Huh? Which panel is that? Sakura was happy to have finished solving the first nine questions without cheating and was waiting for the tenth question. There is no indication that she understood the purpose of the first test until Ibiki revealed it.

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Anonymous asked:

I don't think it's taking it too seriously, I think we really do need to discuss why some people are so obsessed with boring and crappy hetero romance they are ready to stalk and be aggressive towards other people who have done nothing to them other than point out how their ships are written. This is also about misogynist views, homophobia, heteronormativity, and just crazy inappropriate behaviour. It might be fictional ship but that's kinda even more crazy, if people get so angry and hateful towards fictional gayness, what about real gay people?

Yes, say it out louder for the smartass people at the back!

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Anonymous asked:

https://www.tumblr.com/sneezemonster15/763710186319953920/the-author-of-killing-stalking-actually-drew-ss

Nah, I’m pretty sure the author didn’t draw it on command, I think she simply appreciates unhealthy couples lol

But well tbf I didn’t like Killing Stalking, I didn’t really connect with any of the characters. Usually I’m a fan of psychological horror, but here it didn’t click for me. Actually I mostly felt like it was torture porn, which just doesn’t really interest me all that much. I never felt like it went deep enough, I probably expected it to have more things to say about its themes and subjects

To me, the story and character development went quite deep and the characters' neuroses were well sketched, this is a manhwa that has gotten a lot of footage in its field and has been quite a critical success. I related to a lot of the themes myself, that's why it spoke to me. I got where the characters were coming from. Torture porn, to me it seems like an easy and convenient label to disregard and trivialise the motivations of the characters and the purpose of the story. Objectively, it's a very well told story and does justice to its themes narratively.

But well, it's fair that it was not your cup of tea, or that it didn't interest you. Different strokes. Many fans are pretty polarised on this manhwa, so I get the sentiment.

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Anonymous asked:

Your recent post about Naruto being about a gay love story...I agree but damn you take this anime shit too seriously lol. Don't you go to work or school?

I do more work in a day than you probably do in a week if this is the question you want to ask me, even seeing this is a Naruto specific blog. I am just way more efficient hehe. Now go shove it. Lol.

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Anonymous asked:

Some people did point that out about the test. But SS say "that panel you provided just confirms Sakura understood that the test expects you to cheat, she just didn't have to because she's so smart she understands things other people her age don't!" as an argument. Though by the end of the test they don't even check the answers as they said because it's not what the test was about (Temari called it a waste of time because of it lol)

I remember talking about this a long time ago. Nowhere does Kishi make seem it like Sakura understood the point of the test. That's just headcanon. She is constantly worried that Naruto won't be able to crack the test because she thinks he is so dumb. She even worries about Sasuke. When it's him who really cracks it in team seven. All that was needed was cheating. Because they are training as ninjas who are supposed to develop cunning and stealthy tactics to win against the opponent. That's their USP, operating in shadows.

Ugh, annoying when fans compromise with their intellectual integrity to win some silly ass argument for the sake of stanning a lame ass character like Sakura. Sad.

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Anonymous asked:

The author of Killing Stalking actually drew SS art on their twitter, I only saw one but still. But it looked unhealthy on purpose so I guess that's her thing (Sakura was the one that looked like had a control of Sasuke)

Really? Lol damn. Fan service? Maybe the artist drew it on demand? Well, KS is not really supposed to be BL, it's a psychological thriller. The author also never categorised it as bl. The relationship between Yoonbum and Sangwoo is not supposed to be about ideal romance, it's twisted and obsessive, violent and definitely not healthy as we perceive healthiness in relationships. It's not even about lovesickness, just sickness. It's really very disturbing. But extremely captivating, if you like to read about the deep dark hellish aspects of human relationships and psychology. That said, I very much appreciated the writing of both their characters and their relationship, and more than empathized with them despite how they both turned out to be. The cause and effect of their character development are pretty on point. I would never in a thousand years compare them with Sasuke and Sakura in any shape or form though, that's for sure..

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Anonymous asked:

So are you gonna comment on what's happening with Mitsuki in Boruto manga? He was talking about Boruto and Eida straight up said like "looks like we're both in love" or something like that (it's been a while since I've read) but it was rather straight forward. Mitsuki also sees Boruto as the sun to his moon, and wants to be by his side, basically just copy of Naruto and Sasuke's relationship. I have mixed feelings about this, because on the other hand hey it's always good to have more gayness, but at the same time I'm frustrated, why didn't Kishi do this with Naruto and Sasuke? He did leave some hints about Sasuke having complicated feelings, but he hasn't tackled that yet... I hope he does.

Ah anon, I don't follow Boruto unfortunately, so I can't give you an analysis. However I did check out that scene when it came out. And well, what can I say? Why is Kishi doing it now? Why didn't he do it earlier in Naruto if he is fine with it now? I am not sure anon. Maybe because open gay representation in media is more accepted now than it was when Naruto was released? Maybe because Kishi is getting tired of beating around the bush? I mean look how much he struggled with Naruto and Sasuke dynamic related questions in his interviews. Maybe he is sick of trying to hide the gay and can't do it anymore?

But if I had to guess, I would say he is laying down some groundwork to finally legitimize SNS, like the way they should have been but weren't at the end of shippuden. Something that we deserved but couldn't get, Kishi knows very well he broke storytelling rules. I think now, perhaps he is shooting the gun off from Mitsuki's dainty shoulders to reach the endgame.

Like you said, there are undercurrents and hints about Sasuke's complex feelings, and they are there for a reason, no doubt. And they will get resolved at the end, if one goes by the storytelling rules. Personally, I believe that Kishi will show Sasuke and Naruto together, like in a legit sense, albeit with a metaphorical/poetic treatment. Like the og pair, like they were always supposed to be. I really do think he is building up to that. Whether he shows that while the boys are still alive or in death, remains to be seen.

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Anonymous asked:

Regarding fandom, something that has been really worrying me is the recent aggressive defending of Sakura's character. For example I saw a tiktok screenshot that had 200,000+ likes where a girl was saying that she is glad she was able to prove the anime ruined Sakura's character and made her look bad, and that she is actually a better character in the manga. Over 200,000 anime watchers believed that bullshit. I'm sure she just took couple unflattering clips from filler where Sakura did something stupid and claimed that in the manga she never did anything stupid or hit Naruto. But the reality is the anime also added flattering scenes to Sakura, like for example her making special pills for Naruto, and her and Ino acting more friendly in part 2, when in the manga Sakura and Ino have like one scene where Sakura is hoping Sai calls her ugly. You can't cherry pick. As someone who only finished the manga, I can confidently say she is NOT better in the manga. And I know you know it too having watched the anime and read the manga. But unfortunately many people will believe anything as long as the person claiming something says it convincingly enough. I'm just worried Sakura will be lifted up to be some misunderstood character who is actually a great person and great fighter. Ew. Another example was someone pointing out that Sakura is the only one who didn't cheat in the chunin exam, and everyone agreeing (like 30,000 + people on twitter) that this makes her the most inteligent person in their class, and a legend. And third was a tweet where some guy said Sakura was able to become third most powerful ninja without having special bloodline or kyubi like Naruto and Sasuke, and it was all thanks to her hard work. This had 80,000+ likes. What a joke! Like as if she's strong and Sasuke and Naruto didn't work their ass off! I hate this misinformation that surrounds her character and spreads like a disease!!!! I'm sorry but her fandom makes me more angry than the character ever could lmao

I have been hearing this argument 'Anime ruined Sakura's character but that's not the case in manga' ever since I joined this fandom. If anything, anime has more positive Sakura moments than the manga.

Sakura not cheating in the chuunin written exams was clearly shown by Kishi as subversion. The whole point of the exams was that they HAD to cheat! Since the questions were deliberately made way too advanced for their level. It showed that Sakura was only book smart, and couldn't even crack the real reason behind the tough setting of the question paper. Sasuke cracks that. Sakura stans are characterized by their superficial reading.

But I have to say that I have seen some posts made by Sakura defender (who don't necessarily support ss, they also say they are anti Sakura but they do think she deserved better) who are quite perceptive of her character, largely if not completely. Like for example, this post. The last section - 'Failed potential of Sakura' is where they go all awry. It's clear they don't understand or agree with the fact that Naruto and Sasuke love each other romantically. If they got that, they would have a much easier time to understand why Kishi made Sakura's 'potential' fail. But you can see that it doesn't have many notes. I mean it's not surprising that an astutely written post (for the most part) doesn't have many notes, Tumblr people largely favour shorter and more quippy posts with pictures and gif sets, a lot of bullshit on it gets thousands of notes only because it milks people's imagination, preconceived notions and interests, whether or not it makes any sense.

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I wish I had the experience of badgal person. When The Last came out, all I saw was NH shippers rubbing it and the screenshots from it in everyone's faces, especially in the faces of narusaku shippers, telling them "Haha, we were right you were wrong, stupid narusakus". Of course if sns argued, they told them Naruto and Sasuke aren't gay. I did see couple NH shippers who were embarrassed by the movie and even stopped shipping it, but majority of what I saw were celebrating that Naruto picked the right girl. SS caused more hate, but plenty were celebrating both ships. Gaiden first chapter made some SS drop the ship, but they were like couple teen girls, adult SS stood by the ship through everything. I actually think nowadays making fun of Hinata gets more clout (kingchris being a good example) than before. On the other hand, SS/NH female shippers have weaponized "misogyny" as an argument on why Sakura and Hinata and the ships are hated, so that's a bummer. Anyway sorry for the rant lol I just wanted to remind people that time was not a joy for a lot of us. I was angry at Kishi, at SJ, and the toxic SS/NH ending defenders. And I was sad too. I was mostly on tumblr too, so maybe somewhere else it was different. I know at narutoforums quite some people were calling the ending dogshit and laughing that SS happened, but not all.

No need to apologize. You know, when I joined this fandom three years ago, I was harassed by numerous SS and NH stans. It went on for some time too. All they had to show for their arguments were the same four Spanish translated panels. And crying about the 'obvious brotherhood' of SNS. Insta would also rec me Sakura and Hinata posts in the beginning, and damn they were popular. If one SNS stan went to comment on the message boards, they would get eaten alive by the trolling. Forget rational discourse, they are really like rabid fans frothing at the mouth. This is not to say that SNS isn't popular, but it doesn't get the kind of validation that it justly deserves, only because it's not het and because of the ending, not canon. The more discerning fans agreed with SNS oriented views even if they weren't SNS shippers. But that didn't do anything to affect the popularity of ss or nh ships.

It really gets my goat to be called a 'dirty fujoshi' or m/m fetishizer by people who wouldn't know storytelling if it slapped them in their faces. Especially now, because now that I have read a significant number of bl works, I know what its general tropes are and how problematic some of them are and quite a lot of them definitely fetishize m/m dynamic. But I know Naruto isn't like that. Prejudice really makes you see only what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

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When I had started writing this blog, I was told by other SNS to tag my Sakura and Hinata posts as anti Sakura and anti Hinata so I wouldn't be hounded by their crazy ass stans. Well that didn't work. Lol. Anyway, I began to tag my posts as Haruno Sakura and Hyuuga Hinata, because even if I don't like them, my analysis of them is based on their characters, I am rock solid secure about it and I don't care who reads it and cries about it.

My suggestion to SNS fans would be, take the antis head on if you wish so. Take any anti SNS head on. Any single one of them. Confront them if you want, without hesitation or doubt. No need to be afraid.

As a SNS shipper, just know you are in the right. I am ready to sign it on a bond paper. Just know that they are ALL CATEGORICALLY WRONG, and you SNS stans are right, as long as you have sincerely read and understood the manga.

Know that you are backed by the author of the manga, media experts and aficionados and several casual fans who value accountability and have a mature outlook towards storytelling and life. Say it with arrogance and conceit even, because sometimes intimidation works just as well. Don't waste your energy on things that don't deserve it. But if you do choose to confront, never be meek, never surrender. Be cool about it or aggressive, your choice but don't feel disheartened at their takes, they don't know what they are talking about. Laugh at them if you want, that's what their theories are good for anyway.

Enough of this homophobic caterwauling. This is 2024, and this is a global fandom with many fans who are impressionable and naive. Let them have the advantage of understanding the true meaning of this manga. You are the torchbearers of Naruto's legacy, like I have said before, SNS fans are true Naruto fans, the rest are just posers and bigoted dumbfucks. No more bigotry, no more prejudice, no more bullshit. It's high time. Enough time has passed and all the 'they are just friends waaah' or 'they are just brothers waaah' or 'It is unintentional waaah' type of takes need to GO! Naruto fandom is your space to explore, take advantage and have your fun and thrill too. YOU own it. Go crazy. Saturate the fandom, open up the discussion, destroy the prejudice and dumbfuckery, confront whothefuckever you wish, and do it with relish because you are right and they are wrong. Period.

Do it. Be bold, be strong, be proud. You have the fandom's support, passionate support too because that's what this story engenders in responsible fans. Confront them without hesitation if that's your vibe and smack them in the face with panels from the manga and explain them too, they are quite easy to decode. Just know you can do it because that's what the story is supposed to be, you can't miss it. High time to change this heteronormative narrative. Naruto is a gay love story and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

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I'm reblogging this post taking into account the replies in the comment section.

I think that the work of SNS veteran shippers and those of us who came later and have continue to defend the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are in love and the manga is a gay love story in a shonen/action-packed setting has paid off substantially.

Like this lady right here on tiktok. Although she enjoys BL, she is not a hardcore SNS shipper (like us lol) but still talks abt how Shonen authors could very much write BLs because they have already written gay love stories in their works and then goes on to use SNS and Satosugu as examples. The tiktok has over 201k likes and it's only one of many, it's clear the general anime/manga audience *knows* what we know. Maybe not with the same depth that the SNS community has discovered through analyses of the manga over the years but they can tell Naruto and Sasuke aren't just friends and their feelings for each other are romantic.

I think the issue we encounter right now more than ever as SNS shippers is that people in the anime/manga community still believe that:

  1. Shonen and BLs are mutually exclusive. So if someone writes a shonen there can't be gay people there because gay characters only appear "traditional" BLs.
  2. If a man and a woman get married that means they're confirmed as straight. For these people is simply inconceivable that a character could be bisexual or could be in a lavender marriage (Naruto and Sasuke's case) or any other scenario.

Now, in the replies people are talking about how Naruto dudebros and SS and NH shippers are more aggressive about the het!ships (which is true, I was in the fandom from 2012-2015 too) but I will have to say that they're not a huge mob or anything. There are less of them than there used to.

Here's the thing, no matter how gay and romantic the writing between Naruto and Sasuke was (and everybody in the fandom noticed) it was known they were not going to end up together so het!shippers did not see us as a threat. It was narusaku vs naruhina/sasusaku, sns was off the table.

But then The Last came out and this movie was really the first nightmare for het!shippers. They had expected a beautiful love story between Naruto and Hinata and it ended up being ass, disappointing everybody and I would know I was there! my favorite anime youtubers some of them Naruhina shippers didn't like it because they saw how OoC Naruto was and how stupid Hinata acted. My cousin who loved Naruhina stopped shipping them the minute he saw Hinata forgetting she could walk on walls with her chakra he was so offended!!! lmao. Keep in mind that NH was already walking on a thin line after Neji's death which pissed off a lot of dudebros that were also Hinata gooners. One of my classmates who shipped NH was so freaking mad about Neji's death he also stopped liking Hinata as a character.

The mockery NH went through after the movie premiered was off the charts and it would only get worse once Naruto Gaiden came out. Sasusaku was never a particularly beloved ship no matter how rabid its shippers are so you can imagine how bad it was once Kishimoto started trolling them with the whole "is Karin Sarada's real mom? and also Sasuke is never home lol". Then Boruto the movie came out and the gay ass scene of Naruto holding Sasuke like a princess really showed everyone how gay this whole thing is. The memes on Naruto and Sasuke being the gays dad taking care of their child? they've been a thing since forever! in fact it was the dudebros who started them.

What happened next is SNS-antis becoming extremely aggressive as more and more people clocked what Kishimoto was doing. There are less SS/NH shippers compared to what used to be back in 2013 for instance, people outgrew the ships and when they looked back to Naruto they realized what was really going on, I find a lot of these people on twitter. The het!shippers that remained became far more hostile and their "anti-arguments" far more ridiculous (like the whole pseudo-incest stuff lol whatever the hell that means). It's obviously insecurity tied with their homophobia.

So when it comes to het!shippers harrassing SNS shippers, there aren't as many of them as they used to but they're also so much more confrontational and violent to the point it gets disturbing so it's a "we won but at what cost" type of situation.

It's good to know that the bias is not as strong as it was earlier. I don't have access to tiktok so I don't know what goes on there. But most other platforms I have checked seem to avoid the conversation altogether.

I am going to skip Twitter and Insta because microblogging or photo sharing platforms are not the best platforms for long fan discourses, they are good for mostly quips, jokes and memes. YouTube has some good discussions. But like for example, reddit. Now this is an app that is meant for discussions and people ask/discuss all sorts of silly stuff on it. But surprisingly (or maybe not so surprisingly), when you go to Naruto sub, you will see how little space SNS gets to have. As compared to all the other silly fandom stuff that goes on there, it's really sad to see how SNS gets next to no footage, even though that's what the story is about.

Fifty percent of Reddit users are from the US, a fairly liberal society as compared to Asian societies, and 23 is the average age of the users, old enough to understand the themes of this story. Of all the crap I see on Naruto sub, it's just sad how people seem almost scared of talking about the gay in Naruto. Given that reddit is one of those platforms that is governed by the mods, who themselves seem to be quite biased, it doesn't come off as that surprising. Also, Reddit is known for hatefulness, indiscriminate and underserved criticism, almost like public flogging, that might factor in the lack of dishing 'controversial' opinions. But it has so many subs on all sorts of things. And yet, the only few posts you see about SNS are the ones where the redditors are skeptical of SNS, or think it's unironic. The most stupid Naruto shit is upvoted like crazy and SNS posts hardly have any votes.

Most posts about SNS are about 'asking' if they are gay with a lot of reticence, and not declaring that they definitely are. I found a couple of relevant posts and looking at the comment section, one can't help but see how uneducated/biased fans can be and how discouraging it could be for an SNS fan, or true Naruto fan. This post is two years old, and it showed up because there have been no recent conversations about SNS on it, go figure.

There are fans who are suspicious, and yet very unsure of themselves because they are afraid of the flak they would receive talking about SNS. And who is surprised, let's look at the responses this post received. Most of the responses were those that simply denied the romance, and others who were OFFENDED by the question. Lol.

Haha the comment below. The redditor is 'relieved' that most comments rejected SNS. Now why would it be relieving? And why would they feel weird about talking SNS? If that's not homophobia, what is it? Heh. Also look at the upvotes they got. Way more than the post itself. The content of these comments is nothing new, SNS have been hearing it since the beginning. But as recently as two years ago, and people still don't understand this manga better.

Some are just plain offended. What is there to be offended even? Lol, the question in the post, at best was asked in a spirit of enquiry, not assertion.

There were only a couple of comments that agreed with the post. And it hardly got any upvotes. Not much back and forth either.

It's almost like people simply don't want to talk about it. The only ones I saw talking about the gay romance of Naruto were self proclaimed LGBTQ+ allies. But that's the thing, one doesn't have to be gay to understand it is a gay love story.

Here are a few responses from other such posts, it's all the same.

Some stuff mentioned here is anime only. Some other fans simply can't see what's so gay about it, lol. Some simply have no idea about the gay narrative, as if gay men have never had children with women. Lol. Obviously their arguments leave much to be desired in terms of comprehension, intellect, honest introspection or even getting the facts right. But nevertheless, so much condescension, so much vitriol towards SNS, only because it's not het.

What I find problematic is that even in this day and age, fans don't want to see or talk about the gay, and moreover, feel 'uncomfortable' or plain offended at the mere suggestion that Sasuke and Naruto love each other. Of course, this translates into a lack of conversations around the topic, it's understandable that people don't want to be the target of ridicule or criticism. All of it reminds me this post I once saw on Insta and talked about it. Link. Same thing. Same bias. This is ingrained homophobia and I am sure it shows in other facets of their lives as well.

This is what I hate. This is why I want the fandom to be saturated with SNS on ALL platforms, I want this fandom to become unbreathable and intolerable for homophobic antis, that's what I want. Heh, does that sound extreme? Maybe. But enough is enough. How come the most beautiful gay love story in the world has such a big number of homophobic morons in its fandom that so confidently attempt to undermine those fans who understand the true meaning of this story? Why should SNS feel scared or reticent to talk about what this story is actually about? Why should they be bullied into keeping mum? Why should the antis think they can easily suppress their voices?

It's like having 'Weekend at Bernie's' fans in the 'Citizen Kane' fandom. And I want these fans to categorically understand that they cannot spout their homophobic bullshit in this fandom and think they will get away with it, not anymore. My post may sound personal to some fans, but the issue at hand is really bigger than that.

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