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I decided to make a pinned post with stuff about my positions and my perspective that might be relevant - first of all: I'm not a nutritionist, scientist or anything like that. What I post here is based in facts and scientific research by those who are, but I am not an expert, just an activist who's been delving into this topic for a while.

- I don’t care for the words “obese” or “overweight” because they're laden with stigma and imply deviance from the correct way. I use “fat” because it’s a neutral descriptor of a normal way to be.

- I haven’t weighed myself in years now but I believe I fall into the category of small fat.

- My preferred angle of fat activism is fat liberation, but I don’t really care what movements or words people identify with as long as they support fat people socially and politically.

- I’m in favor of cultivating online (and offline) spaces that allow for discussion, learning and self-reflection. If the discourse is all black and white thinking, dragging and name calling, I’m out of there, it’s not worth it.

- I reserve the right to occasionally change my mind about things when I learn something new.

- If you’re trying to lose weight that’s fine, but I don’t want to hear about it.

- This blog very much supports trans people (I wish I didn’t have to specify this), terfery will get you blocked on sight.

- Feedism is not my cup of tea personally, but you guys are totally welcome on here and more power to ya ❤️

- I'm a white scandinavian. My perspective will inevitably be affected by this and there are many intersections of oppression that I can't speak to from personal experience.

- English is not my first language and it probably shows now and then idk

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tobeabatman

Here’s a quick reminder to all the thin people out there: stop talking about fatness and fat people as if fat people didn’t exist and we weren’t literally right here.

Mostly I see this done whenever thin people talk about ”the obesity epidemic” or ”childhood obesity”. You are a bunch of thin people, a bunch of thin news anchors, a bunch of thin researchers, a bunch of thin commenters online…. Where are fat people’s opinions? Where are fat activists’ opinions? Is it proper journalism to only acknowledge the thin people and their words and their research?

Thin journalists and public figures and news anchors and what have you, milk money out of people by fear-mongering with fat bodies. Famous media doesn’t even want to talk about research that contradicts current ideas of fatness, or fat activists’ words, because readers’ (or watchers’/listeners’) hatred and fear gives them more money (and also less criticism). It pushes this one-sided narrative of fat people’s bodies onto us that thin people control almost completely.

Was the man who on public television said that fat people should try the diet of concentration camp victims, a fat person himself? F*ck no. But we give voice to people like him instead of giving voice to actual fat people (…reminds me of something called oppression).

Whenever you talk about fat people or fatness or weight, remind yourself that we fat people are literally right here. Your audience will never consist purely of thin people.

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If you're on instagram or other visually oriented social platforms, follow fat people!! I mean everyone should, but especially other fat people. It's so easy to underestimate the effect it has on your mind, simply seeing people who look like you thriving and expressing themselves in the spaces you frequent. Take any opportunity to remind yourself and anyone else who needs to hear it that the type of body you have belongs in the world.

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greekwords

There was a while in grad school (which I did in one of the whitest states) where I started having pretty severe “race dysphoria” ie seeing my skin as too dark too ugly etc because I was just constantly surrounded by white people and didn’t have anyone else in my life or in my media. My (white) therapist’s recommendation was the same as the above: follow more black and brown youtubers and instagram accounts, reach out to my family and grade school / college poc friends for video calls, and generally try to pull more people who looked like me into my line of sight. It did work wonders, and now I’m totally recovered from this extremely weird bout of internalized racism.

I imagine being other types of marginalized can be solved (or at least helped) the same way.

I forget my source so this may not be entirely accurate but I remember hearing that an individual’s concept of beauty will tend to be the average of everyone they see. This would be one reason it’s been so damaging to have a single race and essentially one body type dominating so much visual space—it artificially skews the data pool in your head, in the heads of an entire society.

Fortunately it seems like it shifts quickly and easily when you shift the inputs!

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to-coyly-go

i realllly don't like it when shows consistently have fat characters and only fat characters eating fast food/too much/in inappropriate situations

it's so common too!!!! and there's never any skinny character who acts this way it's always only the fat characters.

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gothhabiba

diet talk is so inexpressibly nonsensical the instant you know anything about "the human body" or "nutrition" or if you think about it for three seconds

"this is a great, low-calorie meal for meal prep!"

okay how do I explain this to you. "calories" is the part of food that makes it food. you actually need calories to stay alive. so "low-calorie" is the opposite of a selling point. kind of makes it sound like I'm going to be putting in a lot of time and effort just to not be nourished

"I then immediately ruined the nutrition of the broccoli by pouring cheese all over it, but, hey, I tried"

okay hang on tight because this is a tough one. I'm going to try to explain the concept of "addition" to you. so the broccoli has a certain amount of calories, vitamins, and other nutrients in it, right? and the cheese has a certain amount of calories, vitamins, and other nutrients in it. and when you add the cheese to the broccoli, well... the nutrition of the resulting food can be found by adding the contents of both of its components to each other. I hope this helps

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I think I'm enjoying British dramas more than anything US based right now because they do this thing where they let the occassional human being look like a real person and not a low-level supermodel.

I know beauty standards are fucking horseshit and that television isn't real life, but I was just trying to recapture the comfort of watching a Marvel movie and I couldn't help but notice that even the extras don't get to look real.

Am I to believe that there are ZERO fat people in New York FUCKING City when the Avengers have to do some Avenging?

Not one? The whole city went to the medspa last week?

When did we start doing this? Obviously it's a shift that happened in inches, not miles, but what the fuck. Watch any of the beach scenes of Jaws. Or, honestly, any crowd scene in most movies made before 2000. Guess what you'll see?

Fat people!

People with bad hair!

People who look tired and like they just rolled out of bed!

Can we just...I mean. Look. I know that no one wants fat people to exist. But we do, okay? Since we're never going to get Main Character representation, can we at least pepper a few of us in the extras scenes every once in awhile?

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If you're on instagram or other visually oriented social platforms, follow fat people!! I mean everyone should, but especially other fat people. It's so easy to underestimate the effect it has on your mind, simply seeing people who look like you thriving and expressing themselves in the spaces you frequent. Take any opportunity to remind yourself and anyone else who needs to hear it that the type of body you have belongs in the world.

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greekwords

There was a while in grad school (which I did in one of the whitest states) where I started having pretty severe “race dysphoria” ie seeing my skin as too dark too ugly etc because I was just constantly surrounded by white people and didn’t have anyone else in my life or in my media. My (white) therapist’s recommendation was the same as the above: follow more black and brown youtubers and instagram accounts, reach out to my family and grade school / college poc friends for video calls, and generally try to pull more people who looked like me into my line of sight. It did work wonders, and now I’m totally recovered from this extremely weird bout of internalized racism.

I imagine being other types of marginalized can be solved (or at least helped) the same way.

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If you're on instagram or other visually oriented social platforms, follow fat people!! I mean everyone should, but especially other fat people. It's so easy to underestimate the effect it has on your mind, simply seeing people who look like you thriving and expressing themselves in the spaces you frequent. Take any opportunity to remind yourself and anyone else who needs to hear it that the type of body you have belongs in the world.

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PLUS SIZE ASIANS EXIST

Michelle Elman
As you all know I’ve been talking about the absence of Asians in adverts, campaigns and fashion in general so @lindablacker and I decided to team up on a little passion project. Look at how incredible these women look!
Here’s to showing them what they are missing 💪🏽
Despite the absence in the media, asian is actually the largest ethnic minority in the U.K.
Asians deserve to be represented.
Asians deserve to be seen.
And all Asians aren’t the stereotype of being small and petite.
Being Asian is not one look.
Being Asian is not one culture.
Whilst even this shoot isn’t perfect representation, it shows just a small sample of the diversity within Asia. #AsianRepresentation
Thank you to all the wonderful women taking part and being my stunning models @nesslala @bishamberdas @saalene @kat_v_henry @minakumari.uk @simksandhu95
This was such a personal project and I couldn’t have done it without @lindablacker. She came up with the idea when I was talking about asian representation earlier in the year and I wouldn’t trust anyone else to do it. She has always placed diversity at the forefront of her shoots and her talent is remarkable. This entire concept was her doing and I’m so grateful for everything you did to make this a reality! Thank you also to @umberghauri and @hannah.shaikhup for the incredible makeup! It felt so complete to have the makeup artists also be Asian. We need just as much diversity behind the scenes on shoots as well! x
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"Fat liberation is a scam" fat liberation isn't selling you anything 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm begging you people to stop seeing absolutes where there aren't any. Fat liberation is largely about dismantling the absolutes.

When we say "fat people can be perfectly healthy", some of you hear "all fat people are perfectly healthy" when the point is simply that weight and health aren't synonymous. It's more complex.

When we say that health looks different for everyone some of you hear "health is completely meaningless" when the point is actually just that it's more complex than either/or. YES, intentional weight loss can be the right path for someone! Look, I Have Said it! The problem is, there's a widespread myth saying it's the right path for everyone. That's not the case.

When we say health status does not indicate your intrinsic worth and should be irrelevant to how you're treated, some of you apparently hear "there's no reason to care about your own health", which is just bananas. Learn better reading comprehension.

Fat liberation is a political movement based on no absolute claims about health. Literally the point is that fat people deserve social equality regardless of health status. "Health is complex and individual" is a full on fact, but ultimately it's also beside the point.

The only absolute in this movement is that fat people are People and worthy of equity and basic respect. That's what you're objecting to when you say you're against fat liberation.

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The thing is - it always comes down to shaky, unsatisfying nuance. Anti-fatness absolutely views fat people as a monolith, stereotyping and judging and putting us in boxes. But within the fat rights movement, like any liberation movement, we are also vulnerable to oversimplification and dogmatic thinking. I know I’ve been there many times. I’ve tried and tried to find the perfect diagnostic language, to only make statements that cover every nook and cranny of an issue, to finally unearth the ultimate set of activist values. I’ve caught myself digging around for the Truth. One clearly defined and unchangeable truth that works for everyone. One answer to what true and universal fat liberation looks like. And it’s kind of a waste of time. We’re always simply gonna aim for better. Better is going to look different depending on individuals, cultures, time. Because fat people aren’t a monolith and we never will be. In fat activism we like to point out – because it’s true and under-recognised in society at large, which is a good reason – that you can be fat and happy, fat and healthy, fat and attractive, fat and anything, and that losing weight simply isn’t an option for everyone. And sometimes I think we take this to the point of constructing another Right Way to be a fat person. And I absolutely think that happy, fat and confident is a better thing to be than fat, ashamed, sad and trying to change! But we need to have space in the community for the whole spectrum of people’s feelings around their own fatness. We need to accept the nuance. There are fat people who love how they look, there are fat people who hate how they look, and there are fat people who haven’t thought about it much. There are people who feel all of these things and more, maybe all at once. There are people who aren’t able to lose weight and people who are able to lose weight. Some of them don’t want to and some of them do. Ditto with gaining weight. There are fat people who call themselves fat and fat people who can’t stand to be called fat. There are fat people who are the thinnest they’ve ever been and fat people who are the fattest they’ve ever been. There are fat people who struggle under fatphobia and fat people who don’t notice it much. There are fat people who are very aware of anti-fatness and there are fat people with extreme internalized fatphobia. There are healthy fat people and there are sick fat people. Fat people come in countless shapes and sizes. There are fat people who are impaired by their fatness in practical, physical ways who are not happy with that and that’s perfectly valid and understandable.

There are as many ways to be a fat person as there are fat people, and we’re all influenced by society in one way or another in our relationship to ourselves. And while I feel like I’m circling closer and closer to the best way for me to feel about my own body, I don’t think it’s my place to police anyone else’s experience with that. And despite all that I’ll still be spouting opinions about these things on and offline, and they will not fully contain the nuance, because nothing does. But I'm aiming for better.

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closet-keys

someone: this beauty standard was constructed with specific political purpose, and effectively dismantling the power structure that justifies itself through it requires us to give up using aspects of the body as a metaphor for morality or social worth

the notes:

  • it’s just a personal preference, it’s not that deep, go outside, touch grass, get married, work a hard job, have kids, stop thinking
  • so you’re saying I have to fuck people with [trait]? you’re going to show up at my apartment and force me to fuck strangers? your analysis of beauty standards is literally rape. OP wants to fuck me specifically, a random hostile stranger in their notes. they’re turned on because their body disgusts me! (no I have never seen them but I vividly imagine their body as disgusting because why else would they make a post like this)
  • did you know that another society/culture/time period had a different set of beauty standards? I bet OP didn’t even realize this
  • actually beauty standards are evolutionary instinct and you’re anti-science. you want us to ignore biology?
  • I actually WANT to fuck people with [currently devalued trait]
  • we should remind people that [currently devalued trait] was valued in a different society with another brutal hierarchy based on bodily ideals as proof that [currently devalued trait] is good actually. this definitely does not replicate the exact politics OP is challenging
  • once I met someone with a stigmatized bodily trait and they were a bad person. I’m sharing this anecdote absent any context so others can draw their own conclusions. if you go to my blog every single post is me sharing totally real stories of people with this trait doing mean things. I’m not saying certain bodily traits create inferior morals, I’m just compulsively curating an entire blog to imply it over and over and over
  • I used to think [stigmatized trait] was disgusting but I’m trying to unlearn it right now. I assume anyone with that trait would feel me saying this publicly is an act of kindness I’m bestowing upon them rather than a casual cruelty just like all the other comments about how disgusting the trait is
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There's always at least one person who fits any narrative. Like I don't doubt that there are people in existence who would sincerely tell me that they successfully lost lots of weight and their prime motivation was/is shame. Many of them!

That doesn't change the fact that major weight loss has been proven to be unsustainable for the majority of people, or the fact that for most people, shame does not work as motivation. And as an aside, the word "work" is carrying a lot of baggage there.

Ok, shame "worked" as in you got thinner. How's your mental health? How do you view yourself? Do you have symptoms of disordered eating? Do you live in fear of gaining the weight back? How do you treat the fat people around you? Do you allow people to use you as a tool to prop up the idea that weight loss is the best thing for everyone?

As my dad likes to point out, you can get small children to learn just about any skill if you give them enough electric shocks. Results alone do not prove that you used a worthy or acceptable method.

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suilesbian

ok so you acknowledge that fatness isn’t inherently unhealthy. health at every size, fat athletes exist, etc etc.

but are you normal about fat people who ARE unhealthy? do you still respect us? do you still advocate for our access to healthcare? do you still see us as valuable?

are you normal about people whose fatness is due to disability?

are you normal about people whose fatness is just due to lifestyle—those of us whose fatness is, actually, “Our Own Fault”?

it seems to me that “you can be healthy at any weight” is kind of like “curb cuts also benefit moms with strollers”—it’s true, and worth pointing out, but it’s stopping short of actually advocating for the people whom the conversation is actually ABOUT.

curb cuts ARE useful for many kinds of people, but they’re NEEDED for wheelchair and mobility aid users. you CAN be fat and healthy, but that’s not WHY you should treat fat people with respect. fatphobia/misia is bad because we’re human fucking beings with the same rights and needs as thin people, not because some of us meet an arbitrary benchmark of “healthy”.

consider your attitudes toward ALL fat people, not just the “good”/palatable/healthy ones. it’s natural to have these kinds of unconscious biases, but that’s exactly why it’s so important to examine and rethink them.

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riotcowgrrl

the stereotype of a fat bully picking on skinny kids is kinda funny to me because that’s literally the exact opposite of reality

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