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Is there any plan for after Harris loses (which seems inevitable at this point)? People are pointedly not talking about after, so I assume that Trump winning really does mean everything is Over in a very final way.

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Both of those assertions are wrong.

Polls are notoriously unreliable (and getting less reliable), and things are close. I honestly have no idea who's going to win. But right now, fivethirtyeight.com (which is the best overall politics predictor in the US, and has been for the last several election cycles) has Harris ahead by 1.3 points. So, no, Trump winning is not inevitable.

But especially with things this close and the election this close, this is the least likely time for people to be publicly talking about contingency plans for a Trump win. The more people think Trump is going to win, the less likely Harris voters are to show up at the polls ... which means that Trump is more likely to win. Talking about how awful a Trump presidency would be if he got elected can motivate people to vote, when paired with "but voting for Harris can help prevent that!" Talking about what to do after he wins (if he does) is much more concrete and much more likely to convince people that there's no point in voting, we need to move on to the next step of preparing for the inevitable. But it isn't inevitable! Not even close!

Organizations at all levels--political groups, advocacy groups, charities, legal aid groups, etc.--have been preparing all along. But the more you talk about those contingencies in public, the more likely you are to actually need them.

And the thing is, we know a Trump win would be bad. How bad, and in what way exactly ... depends on a lot of factors. His first term was bad, but he was prevented from achieving his goals because he is incapable of keeping competent people around, and nobody knew how to make the bureaucracy of government do what they wanted it to do. He may have fixed that problem, he may not. We know what his goals are and those of his closest allies. What we don't know is, would he be better able to carry those goals out this time if he wins, and if so, how many of them he will be able to enact. And what we, as leftists, can do in the event of a Trump presidencey depends on all of those things!

So it's much better to point out that the odds are in Harris' favor right now (even if not by much) and we need to go out and make sure they stay in Harris' favor.

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Also! Remember that in 2022 the polls were predicting a "red wave" that would turn both houses of congress firmly Republican? And instead we got a blue wave? (They still lean right, and will until we have Democrats reliably showing up in off-season elections for a few more election cycles.)

Remember that, when you hear about polls predicting a Trump sweep this election.

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alarajrogers

So here are two important facts you need to know about the polls:

  1. Trump's campaign and the GOP in general are doing tons of "partisan polls." Partisan polls masquerade as regular polls but lean heavily toward trying to get positive results for Their Guy, without being so biased that they get thrown out, and the Trump campaign in particular has been heavily favoring them lately because a lot of biased polls in their favor give support to the efforts they're going to make to steal the election. We don't normally see so many partisan polls.
  2. Even good nonpartisan polls that try to be fair are usually pulling from the pool of "likely voters", which is people who voted in last presidential election. But we know enormous waves of people registered to vote for the first time when Harris announced her candidacy. Those people are not being polled. Polls of "registered voters" might not be catching people who just recently registered. And even a good poll that is based on the latest set of registered voters works by calling random people. Millennials, Gen Z: how often do you answer the phone when strangers call?

There has always been an overcount of the retired elderly who are lonely and have nothing better to do than answer the phone, in polls, and an undercount of the youth vote because young people are more likely to be working retail or food service and not available to answer phones in the late afternoon/early evening when the pollsters are trying to get the people who are off work and not yet eating dinner. And because young people's phone numbers often haven't been established as long and aren't on as many databases. But nowadays there's an even bigger imbalance, because young people simply don't answer the phone. Everyone they care about knows to text them or call them on Discord or something, and the few people who they'll still answer the phone for, those people are in their contacts so they know who they are. They don't answer the phone for strangers.

Pollsters have been trying to balance this out with text polling. But a text poll requires that you take action. Where a phone poll keeps you on the phone because after you answered it, you're too polite to hang up on the person asking questions, a text poll requires clicking on the link you were texted. If you're very security conscious you won't do that. If you're not, but you're busy and can't be bothered, you won't do that. Probably only the most partisan people are clicking on the link and answering the poll. And people like me, reliable partisan voters who vote in every election and have had the same cell phone for 24 years, get a disproportionate number of the text polls... young people probably do not for the same reasons they have traditionally been undercounted.

So a youth vote that actually turns out and votes will blow the polls away. Thus, enormous efforts are being made to discourage left-leaning young people from voting. "They're both the same." "Harris supports genocide." "There really isn't any difference." "Why bother, Trump is going to win." Every time you see one of those messages, it is either from someone who was trying to discourage left-leaning young people from voting, or it's a left-leaning young person who was successfully discouraged and is now infected with the pernicious meme, retransmitting it because now they believe it.

Recently Trump just severely pissed off the Puerto Rican voting bloc. Believe it or not, there were actually Hispanics who were considering voting for him! No, I don't know why either. But I bet a lot fewer of them are now. He's also been even more mask-off fascist lately, and many people who were his supporters and attended his rallies saw him rambling, mixing up names, doddering and dancing to music for half an hour. Those people might be afraid to say out loud that Trump has lost it because they don't want their friends and family to hear them, but some of them, in the privacy of the voting booth, will vote for Harris or a third party or won't vote at all.

So no. A Trump victory is not at all inevitable. Anyone who told you this is either lying or was duped. But Harris hasn't got it in the bag either. She can and will win if all of us who despise Trump actually get out and vote for her. But she can still lose if a lot of us get discouraged and stay home (or get too complacent and stay home.)

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Read this. Yes, it’s long. READ IT. More to the point, share this. Particularly with any undecided voters you may know. Talk with them about it.

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From Dr. Richardson.

“I stand corrected. I thought this year’s October surprise was the reality that Trump’s mental state had slipped so badly he could not campaign in any coherent way.

It turns out that the 2024 October surprise was the Trump campaign’s fascist rally at Madison Square Garden, a rally so extreme that Republicans running for office have been denouncing it all over social media tonight.

There was never any question that this rally was going to be anything but an attempt to inflame Trump’s base. The plan for a rally at Madison Square Garden itself deliberately evoked its predecessor: a Nazi rally at the old Madison Square Garden on February 20, 1939. About 18,000 people showed up for that “true Americanism” event, held on a stage that featured a huge portrait of George Washington in his Continental Army uniform flanked by swastikas.

Like that earlier event, Trump’s rally was supposed to demonstrate power and inspire his base to violence.

Apparently in anticipation of the rally, Trump on Friday night replaced his signature blue suit and red tie with the black and gold of the neofascist Proud Boys. That extremist group was central to the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and has been rebuilding to support Trump again in 2024.

On Saturday the Trump campaign released a list of 29 people set to be on the stage at the rally. Notably, the list was all MAGA Republicans, including vice presidential nominee Ohio senator J.D. Vance, House speaker Mike Johnson (LA), Representative Elise Stefanik (NY), Representative Byron Donalds (FL), Trump backer Elon Musk, Trump ally Rudy Giuliani, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., right-wing host Tucker Carlson, Trump sons Don Jr. and Eric, and Eric’s wife, Republican National Committee co-chair Lara Trump.

Libbey Dean of NewsNation noted that none of the seven Republicans running in New York’s competitive House races were on the list. When asked why not, according to Dean, Trump senior advisor Jason Miller said: “The demand, the request for people to speak, is quite extensive.” Asked if the campaign had turned down anyone who asked to speak, Miller said no.

Meanwhile, the decision of the owners of the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post not to endorse Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Kamala Harris seems to have sparked a backlash. As Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Inquirer noted, “in a strange way the papers did perform a public service: showing American voters what life under a dictator would feel like.”

Early on October 26, the Washington Post itself went after Trump backer billionaire Elon Musk with a major story highlighting the information that Musk, an immigrant from South Africa, had worked illegally when he started his career in the U.S. Musk “did not have the legal right to work” in the U.S. when he started his first successful company. As part of the Trump campaign, Musk has emphasized his opposition to undocumented immigrants.

The New York Times has tended to downplay Trump’s outrageous statements, but on Saturday it ran a round-up of Trump’s threats in the center of the front page, above the fold. It noted that Trump has vowed to expand presidential power, prosecute his political opponents, and crack down on immigration with mass deportations and detention camps. It went on to list his determination to undermine the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), use the U.S. military against Mexican drug cartels “in potential violation of international law,” and use federal troops against U.S. citizens. It added that he plans to “upend trade” with sweeping new tariffs that will raise consumer prices, and to rein in regulatory agencies.

“To help achieve these and other goals,” the paper concluded, “his advisers are vetting lawyers seen as more likely to embrace aggressive legal theories about the scope of his power.”

On Sunday the front page of the New York Times opinion section read, in giant capital letters: “DONALD TRUMP/ SAYS HE WILL PROSECUTE HIS ENEMIES/ ORDER MASS DEPORTATIONS/ USE SOLDIERS AGAINST CITIZENS/ ABANDON ALLIES/ PLAY POLITICS WITH DISASTERS/ BELIEVE HIM.” And then, inside the section, the paper provided the receipts: Trump’s own words outlining his fascist plans. “BELIEVE HIM,” the paper said.

On CNN’s State of the Union this morning, host Jake Tapper refused to permit Trump’s running mate, Ohio senator J.D. Vance, to gaslight viewers. Vance angrily denied that Trump has repeatedly called for using the U.S. military against Americans, but Tapper came with receipts that proved the very things Vance denied.

Trump’s rally at Madison Square Garden began in the early afternoon. The hateful performances of the early participants set the tone for the rally. Early on, comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, who goes by Kill Tony, delivered a steamingly racist set. He said, for example: “There’s literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. I think it’s called Puerto Rico.” He went on: “And these Latinos, they love making babies too. Just know that. They do. They do. There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They come inside. Just like they did to our country.” Hinchcliffe also talked about Black people carving watermelons instead of pumpkins.

The speakers who followed Hinchcliffe called Vice President Kamala Harris “the Antichrist” and “the devil.” They called former secretary of state Hillary Clinton “a sick son of a b*tch,” and they railed against “f*cking illegals.” They insulted Latinos generally, Black Americans, Palestinians and Jews. Trump advisor Stephen Miller’s claim that “America is for Americans and Americans only” directly echoed the statement of Adolf Hitler that "Germany is for Germans and Germans only.”

Trump took the stage about two hours late, prompting people to stream toward the exits before he finished speaking. He hit his usual highlights, notably undermining Vance’s argument from earlier in the day by saying that, indeed, he believes fellow Americans are “the enemy within.”

But Trump perhaps gave away the game with his inflammatory language and with an aside, seemingly aimed at House speaker Johnson. “I think with our little secret we are gonna do really well with the House, right? Our little secret is having a big impact, he and I have a secret, we will tell you what it is when the race is over,” Trump said.

It seems possible—probable, even—that Trump was alluding to putting in play the plan his people tried in 2020. That plan was to create enough chaos over the certification of electoral votes in the states to throw the election into the House of Representatives. There, each state delegation gets a single vote, so if the Republicans have control of more states than the Democrats, Trump could pull out a victory even if he had dramatically lost the popular vote.

Since he has made virtually no effort to win votes in 2024, this seems his likely plan.

But to do that, he needs at least a plausibly close election, or at least to convince his supporters that the election has been stolen from him. Tonight’s rally badly hurt that plan.

As Hinchcliffe was talking about Puerto Rico as a floating island of garbage, Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris was at a Puerto Rican restaurant in Philadelphia talking about her plan to spread her opportunity economy to Puerto Rico. She has called for strengthening Puerto Rico’s energy grid and making it easier to get permits to build there.

After the “floating island of garbage” comment, Puerto Rican superstar musician Bad Bunny, who has more than 45 million followers on Instagram, posted Harris’s plan for Puerto Rico, and his spokesperson said he is endorsing Harris.

Puerto Rican singer and actor Ricky Martin shared a clip from Hinchcliffe’s set with his 16 million followers. His caption read: “This is what they think of us.” Singer and actress Jennifer Lopez, who has 250 million Instagram followers, posted Harris’s plan. Later, singer-songwriter and actress Ariana Grande posted that she had voted for Harris. Grande has 376 million followers on Instagram. Singer Luis Fonsi, who has 16 million followers, also called out the “constant hate.”

The headlines were brutal. “MAGA speakers unleash ugly rhetoric at Trump's MSG rally,” read Axios. Politico wrote: “Trump’s New York homecoming sparks backlash over racist and vulgar remarks.” “Racist Remarks and Insults Mark Trump’s Madison Square Garden Rally,” the New York Times announced. “Speakers at Trump rally make racist comments, hurl insults,” read CNN.

But the biggest sign of the damage the rally did was the frantic backpedaling from Republicans in tight elections, who distanced themselves as fast as they could from the insults against Puerto Ricans, especially. The Trump campaign itself tried to distance itself from the “floating island of garbage” quotation, only to be met with comments pointing out that Hinchcliffe’s set had been vetted and uploaded to the teleprompters.

As the clips spread like wildfire, political writer Charlotte Clymer pointed out that almost 6 million Puerto Ricans live in the states—about a million in Florida, half a million in Pennsylvania, 100,000 in Georgia, 100,000 in Michigan, 100,000 in North Carolina, 45,000 in Arizona, and 40,000 in Nevada—and that over half of them voted in 2020.

In 1939, as about 18,000 American Nazis rallied inside Madison Square Garden, newspapers reported that a crowd of about 100,000 anti-Nazis gathered outside to protest. It took 1,700 police officers, the largest number of officers ever before detailed for a single event, to hold them back from storming the venue.”

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Anonymous asked:

I get that you just want to go back to brunch after voting for your particular flavor of fascist.

So here's what I want you to do.

I want you to sit down and ask yourself "What was my goal here" whenever you do anything like this. Like, what are you trying to achieve?

If your goal is to change my mind, how would this do so? I've made quite a few fact based arguments that Trump is an existential threat to democracy, will make the genocide in Palestine worse, and will endanger lives of many people in America including but not exclusively immigrants, queer people, minorities, and women. Also two seats on the Supreme Court could open up in the next 4 years.

That's among other reasons is I'm encouraging people to vote for Harris.

So if your goal is to change my mind, how does sending this potentially do so?

The brief answer is, it wouldn't. In fact, we've seen that harassing messages like this are far more likely to make someone dig in and defend their position more. If anything, sending something like this makes a person more determined that they're right.

So it fails if that's what you're trying to do here.

If your goal is just to hurt me or make me feel bad, you need to consider your audience. I'm a middle aged queer person who spends a lot of time in rural areas. Why do you think this sort of attack would hurt my feelings? You're making fun of my feeling burnt out because people won't take the danger we're in seriously. If you admit that your goal is just to hurt me, how can you claim to have any moral high ground? If you know it won't make me change my mind, it doesn't aid any of your claimed goals -- it's just an instinct to punish.

Caring more about hurting people than helping them would make you a bad person, wouldn't it?

Maybe have a quick think about your actions before hitting submit next time, kid.

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cwicseolfor

I get that a lot of people feel like it can’t get worse/ worse for them, and some of them might be right based on their definition of worse. I’ve also seen people on some level feel like they deserve to have it get worse for being too inactive in the past (even though that’s punitive authoritarian thinking, not restorative justice), or else for being associated with/ benefitting from privileges or convantages they were born into (even though that’s collective guilt/ punishment, which is the soul of fascist ideology.)

But it can be so much worse for so many people.

Local example: Something like forty-one thousand people have had no choice but to carry a pregnancy as a result of rape in my state alone since Roe fell as of August 2024.*

(And dozens have sued the state to get medical clarification on how lethal your condition has to be before it constitutes an exception for “the life of the mother” - they lost. God’s plan for you according to them was to die with the kid.)

Somehow people aren’t rising up to overthrow the government and it might have to do with how the people most affected by these policies don’t have any spare time, money, or energy. Maybe by design.

But the rest of the world, they might stand a chance if we sit this one out, right?

Trump has a son who wants to develop luxury waterfront properties “in Israel” as in newly annexed parts of Palestine, not to mention part of his base thinks that a war in the region needs to happen to kick off Armageddon and bring Jesus back, hopefully in their lifetime, with the side “benefit” of killing a bunch of Muslims and Jews, so they’re only going to send more weapons, less targeted weapons, possibly more soldiers.

Okay, not so good maybe.

But if that’s not hurting the right people yet, don’t worry, the policy to tax, suppress, or ban electrification in favor of massive new developments to extract and burn fossil fuels, not to mention ending pollution regulations, will poison the survivors for centuries to come. We can all die together in the rising seas or baking heat. All of us, and everything else warm-blooded, or relying on an oxygenated ocean, or not getting diseases from other latitudes, or seasons staying predictable. That’s “fair.” Or at least it didn’t require getting … involved.

The election still happens if all the conscientious objectors stay home. The weapons and power and money just end up in the hands of even worse people. This isn’t a boycott.

1. (A JAMA-published study from January 2024 showed that there were an estimated 26,313 rape-related pregnancies during the 16 months after the ban; 25 months out, at close to the same rate of one thousand six hundred and forty four rape-caused pregnancies per month, that’s >41k)

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shegeekery

Trying to mostly stay away from politics on this blog, but today there’s something I just need to say.

Kamala Harris just defied DECADES of inside-the-Beltway “wisdom” by picking Walz as her running mate instead of Shapiro. The gray-hairs were probably all telling her she had to go with Shapiro to court the independents. Instead of picking the moderate, staunchly pro-Israel guy, she went with a full-on progressive with a strong LGBTQ+, pro-choice, pro-union record.

She’s making a leap of faith here. She’s betting that progressives, young people, and marginalized people will show up for her if she shows that she’s listening. As someone who lived through several decades when progressives didn’t have a voice even in the Democratic party, I can’t begin to tell you how huge this is.

In the coming months, you will no doubt read/hear things about Harris or Walz that you won’t like. Some of it may even be true. There may well already be things you don’t like about her.

Unfortunately, the choice isn’t between a perfect candidate and an imperfect candidate. The choice is between an imperfect candidate and possibly the most disgusting man on the planet, a guy who isn’t even trying to hide his plans to destroy the US. If Palestine is your #1 issue, know that he will do everything he can to pour gas on the flames until there’s nothing left.

Harris made the choice to listen to progressive voices. If she loses because we didn’t show up for her in huge numbers, we’ll likely be wandering in the wilderness for decades more while the planet burns around us.

(Oh, and we’ll need to show up again in ‘26. Let’s not make the same mistake we made in 2010, when the left stayed home after electing Obama and Republicans won big everywhere, which led to the extreme gerrymandering we’re still dealing with in many states.)

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Now while we're all excited and stoked for the Kamala Harris-Tim Walz; PLEASE, PLEASE remember to VOTE November 5th!

YES things are are looking up for us BUT please DON'T believe you don't need to vote and throw in the towel!

That's what got us 4 years of Trump and the ramifications we have to deal with such as him repealing Roe v Wade and stacking the Supreme Courts so THIS is our chance of COMBATING that!

PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU.

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dicapiito

Friendly reminder about this election

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sepdet

Something that was just pointed out to me:

  • The Senate is minority rule— not rule by minorities, but rule by a minority of the US population. Sparsely populated states have the same number of Senators as states with up to thirty times their population.
  • The Republicans accentuated this by dividing some states: that's why there are two Dakotas.
  • So Republicans keep winning the Senate while losing the popular vote (except now it's 50-50 with the VP as the tiebreaker. Elections matter.)
  • The Senate confirms Supreme Court justices.
  • All Republican presidents this century came to the White House after losing the popular vote, Trump by the largest margin in history. (Clinton, whom everyone dumps on after decades of Republican propaganda, won more popular votes than any white man ever in 2016. In 2020, massive voter turnout prevented the electoral college from overruling the popular vote.)
  • Presidents appoint Supreme Court Justices.
  • Mitch McConnell refused to confirm Obama's appointment of a Supreme Court justice eight months before the 2016 election, arguing it was too close, then rushed through Trump's appointment of RBJ's replacement eight days before the 2020 election. Justice Kennedy stepped down early to give Trump three Supreme Court Justices.
  • So the Supreme Court is ALSO "minority rule" at this point, in the sense that most of its justices were appointed and confirmed by Presidents who lost the popular vote at a time when the Senate was held by Republicans who had also lost the popular vote.
  • And out of sight, Trump appointed a ton of federal justices.

TL;DR: When Trump was in office, the Executive and half of the Legislative branch were elected by a minority of the US population, and by 2020 so was the Judicial, indirectly.

If Trump is elected, Clarence Thomas will almost certainly retire, as Kennedy did, to give him a fourth pick.

Louisiana and other states have a case lined up to weaken the Voting Rights Act, taking advantage of his stacked Supreme Court. This is one big push in the GOP's bragged-about strategies for gerrymandering and Black, Latino, and campus voter suppression.

On the bright side, the Senate has the John Lewis Voting Rights Act (already passed by the House) ready to go if the Democrats can muster the votes. This act updates and addresses issues that have come up since the Voting Rights Act was passed 60 years ago and restores some of the voting rights undermined by the Supreme Court recently ( Explainer).

Harris reminded us of this act in her first speech announcing her candidacy, saying she's eager to sign it into law. Needless to say, Trump is not.

And again, voting rights impact the Supreme Court because, much as we wish the judicial branch were impartial and separate, having it appointed by the President and Senate means that voting — and voting rights — determine whose votes are counted or ignored when Justices are selected. Unfortunately, with Trump's appointees, the 1965 Voting Rights Act is in danger of being weakened further.

We certainly don't want MORE Supreme Court Justices as out of touch with the American people as the three he's already appointed... do we?

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Reminder from a politically obsessed Michigander: every progressive policy Michigan has passed in the last two years was made possible by citizen ballot initiatives that a) ended partisan gerrymandering and b) expanded voting rights and ballot access.

Recent legislation passed under Michigan's Democratic trifecta (both levels of legislature and the governor):

  • Red flag laws (gun control)
  • Free 2 years higher education (economy)
  • Free preschool (economy)
  • Free school lunch (economy)
  • Expanded child tax credit for working families (economy)
  • Expanded civil rights law to include LGBTQIA+ protections
  • Ended right to work (pro-union economy)
  • Codified abortion protections (these were also passed by citizen ballot initiative though)
  • Stopped local governments from blocking green energy projects like solar and wind (environmental)
  • Banned child marriage (marriage before 18. You'd be surprised how many Republicans went on the record against this)
  • Actually, don't take my word for it: here's a list
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jennawynn

I've had something percolating in my brain tonight about how Netanyahu's speech (or rather the Dem response to it) kind of illustrates the need to vote.

Half the Dems boycotted. Sure. So now all you see are pictures of pretty much everyone in the room (Republicans) giving the man a standing ovation.

But who didn't? Tlaib. She used the power she has (power that was given to her by... get this... voters.) to make a visible stand. To make sure he didn't only see support. To make sure WE didn't only see support.

If we don't vote, we give the power to Republicans to claim 'everyone was with us'. But if we vote, and vote up and down the ballot, we get more Tlaibs. We make sure we're heard.

We cannot just walk out and give up the power we already have.

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"I live in a red state my vote doesn't ma-"

If your vote didn't matter they wouldn't try so hard to make it harder to vote in red states. Voting in red states can turn them into swing states like Georgia, Ohio, and Arizona. And voting in blue states can keep them from becoming swing states.

California used to be Red. Texas was Blue long ago. Florida was once a swing state. Obama took Indiana but it's gone redder since. Ten years ago Arizona and Georgia going blue was unthinkable.

Things change and we can make them change.

And that's before getting into more local elections. Turning cities blue, the state legislature.

Red states have flipped blue in recent years at those levels too.

Because people vote, and if we vote in high enough numbers we can turn a tight election into a walk in the park. If we vote in high enough numbers, we can turn a loss into a win. So many good things have happened in states where someone won by like 100 votes. (arizona is one)

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I'm seeing a lot of the same arguments and thoughts about this election as we had in 2016. I don't want to see that repeated. Neither do you. So we have to come together and vote in record numbers. We defeated MAGA once. We have to do it again.

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