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Since c3 is in its endgame, and there will likely be a few months break till c4, i wonder what mini-series there will be in the interim.

I think itd be pretty cool to go back to Aeor again.

The funniest option (that will definitely not happen) is Downfall 2: Oops, Just Betrayer Gods! A prequel where the worst people in the world (who are secretly gods) do a heist to kidnap their sister and set up a complicated plot to kill their siblings (who are also gods). Just 12+ hours of pure sibling b!tchery and shenanigans. A complete 180 from Downfall's horrific tragedy. Abu can dm this time.

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Finally decided to just compile a list of my headcanons for cr gods here, because their insane dynamics have infected my brain and made it physically impossible for me to get any of my own worldbuilding/writing stuff done. This is for the gods in general, I'm doing a separate post for just my favorite trio (Asmodeus/Sarenrae/Pelor) later.

  • So the Raven Queen's predecessor helping her succeed him and them being in love has been made canon, but I'm just gonna say here that that was basically my theory beforehand and I made an entire goddamn post about it (before downfall even aired, mind you) then deleted it because I thought it was dumb. Anyways. Just getting that off my chest.
  • On that topic, I think that the Old God of Death (whom I will, from here on, refer to as OGOD) had a very "pagan-woods deity" vibe going on before he was axed. I think it contrasts nicely with the Raven Queen being a god "of wizards" and of mortals in general. It could also explain why he was seen as a "tyrant", cause maybe he had a big "no resurrection. Ever." policy, which drove wizards to necromancy as a loophole. As an extension, I think he would have had some strong wolf symbolism, cause wolves = death is a tale as old as time (Again complimenting the Matron's Ravens). Think Neverafter's Big Bad Wolf and Puss in Boots 2's Wolf/Death. I also imagine OGOD was very close with the Wildmother and the Crawling King (before the betrayers got locked up).
  • OGOD, as the god of fate, knew ahead of time that the mortal who became the Raven Queen would seek him out and, eventually, be his demise.
  • The Moonweaver, as the goddess of love and protector of lovers' trysts, on some level knew about their relationship and what was to come. She's never told anyone this.
  • The Changebringer and the Stormlord are best friends. Freedom and challenge, storms and the wind, they come hand in hand. Bet they would rock up to a protest in sick leather jackets waving flags and punching cops in the face.
  • The Changebringer and the Everlight are very, very close. Avandra was the one to find her after Asmodeus' betrayal. Something something the unbreakable bond between freedom and redemption. In addition to Kord they form their own little trio.
  • The Changebringer has a plethora of myths and folklore about her, a lot about her screwing over Asmodeus' plots (and just being a trickster god in general).
  • I imagine that they were rivals while in Tengar, but it was more a playful, childish thing than any true animosity. This changes, obviously.
  • Speaking of screwing, she and Asmodeus have definitely hate-fuck3d before. Both of them refuse to acknowledge it, but it totally haunts him at night.
  • On this note, Avandra's vestige "the Kiss of the Changebringer" (canonically stolen from her by the Lord of the Hells), was given that name because he distracted her with a kiss while stealing it. She beat his ass for that later.
  • Avandra couch-hops in the other gods domains. They tolerate this to varying degrees.
  • Upon Vordo the fateshaper's death (or whoever Ihana, the Weaver of Time became but my theory is Vordo), Ioun (Knowing Mistress) became the eldest of the gods, followed by the Scaled Tyrant (Tiamat) and the Platinum Dragon (Bahamut). They are old and act like it. Meemaws and peepaw.
  • Ioun, being the eldest of the gods, has witnessed most of her (surviving) siblings' original spawning into existence within Tengar. I wonder if they were "born" from the trees in the Orchard of Possibility?
  • The Ruiner (aka Gruumsh aka Shosti) is younger than Ioun, Tiamat, and Bahamut, but older than most of the other gods. He gives older brother vibes not gonna lie.
  • The Ruiner and the Stormlord were bros before the Schism. They definitely got into huge battles with each other and had a lot of fun. Gym bro energy.
  • The Ruiner didn’t join the Betrayer's side out of malice for mortals, he just thought destroying Exandria would be a fun time.
  • The Ruiner really likes breaking the All-Hammer (Moradin)'s stuff. Actively goes out of his way to do so.
  • The Crawling King (Torog) is disliked by most of the gods. The Betrayers especially hate him. He's a living reminder of their pain and all they have lost.
  • The Lawbearer and the Strife Emperor were close before the Schism, but afterwords became bitter enemies.
  • The Platinum Dragon and the Scaled Tyrant are basically an old divorced couple. The bickering and shade throwing is a sight to behold. Especially since they're dragons.
  • Tiamat is basically an over-glorified guard dog for the gates of Hell in Avernus. This her way of paying rent to Asmodeus for technically living within the Nine Hells. She hates this, and they tend to avoid each other.
  • The Moonweaver, the Archheart, and the Spider Queen were a polycule before the Schism. Lolth has definitely tried to eat them before, to little success.
  • They're all super into weaving, for obvious reasons. And all can play string instruments.
  • Lolth and Zehir are in constant competition to murder as much of each other's followers as possible. (This isn't even headcanon its literally just true)
  • All the Betrayer Gods (minus Asmodeus and vecna) have a group-chat where they just trash their brother. Just pure complaining.
  • The betrayer gods are constantly ragging on Asmo for fumbling the Primoridal bag. Whenever they bring it up he gets so mad.
  •  All the Betrayers bully Vecna. He is not invited to the Betrayer God lunch table. They give him swirlies in the bathroom whenever they catch him.
  • Prime Deities have a group chat where they trash the Dawnfather. The Everlight isn't on it because it'd upset her. Asmodeus has absolutely infiltrated the group chat.
  • Primes can recite the Dawnfather's spiels word by word. They lip-sync it when he's not looking.
  • The Betrayers do this exact same thing with Asmodeus' rants.
  • A big celebration was thrown for the Wildmother and the Lawbearer's wedding. Corellon decorated and was super bridezilla about it (despite not being the bride).
  • Can't decide whether its pre-schism for the fluff or post-schism for the angst. If its pre-schism then torog walked melora down the aisle (or whatever the equivalent is) and cried about it.
  • It was a super awkward moment for everyone else.
  • Either way the wedding quickly descended into godly revelry and then lots of unspeakable violence.
  • Corellon definitely hosted a lot of orgies. Both pre and post schism. And just parties in general. They also tended to end in a lot of violence. 

That's it. I can't think of anything else. Feel free to add on to this list if you want.

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As much as I love the tragically beautiful sexy temptor role hes occupied, I think that we as a fandom should recognize the fact that Asmodeus is 10 billion years old. There's a reason why brennan portrayed him as an elderly priest in Downfall, the devil isn't some sexy sad bad boy (though he often pretends he is). He's an old man with hate in his heart.

I want more old man depictions of him. Him reading contracts 10 feet away from his face cause it helps him see better. Having an opinion about literally anything even if hes never heard of it before. Constantly complaining about kids these days and how "back in his day" mortals knew their place.

Him and Dawnfather have old man parallels cause they're both the most stubborn people in the world and always think they know best. Neither use mortal technology, Pelor because he doesnt understand it and Asmodeus because he refuses to on principle. They would both perish if they saw a skibidi toilet video, for very different reasons.

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So I've been listening to a lot of Next to Normal, and holy Jesus does Dan give big Dawnfather energy like.

"I am the one who knows you
I am the one who cares
I am the one who's always been there
I am the one who's helped you
And if you think that I just don't give a damn
Then you just don't know who I am"
- I Am the One (Next to Normal)

HELLO????? Am I the only one who sees it????

"Take my hand and let me take your heart
Keep it far from what keeps us apart
Let us start with a light in the dark"
- A Light in the Dark (Next to Normal)

Help???? I am going insane.

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being annoying again, bear with me:

So ive been thinking, asmodeus' plan sounds all well-and-good (for him at least): let predathos drive his siblings away, hide out until its gone, then take over the world and torture mortals for eternity.

But it's not accounting for something a little important: What makes him think his siblings would just leave mortals behind? What makes him think they'd just leave him behind?

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The brief Asmodeus appearance in this week's episode has reignited my brainrot over this terrible man-devil-god, so here we go again:

Of course he wants to stay in Exandria. And of course he wants to weaponize predathos against his siblings to kill them/drive them away.

Because, here's the thing: he does love his siblings. He loves them *so* much, he's quite literally eternally burning for them. But he loves his *hatred* more. He is consumed by the hatred, the rage, the fiery vengeance, because he is a liar, and these things are the lies he tells so he does not have to face the truth of himself.

The truth that he's *wrong*. The truth that he loves his siblings, and his siblings love him, and they love mortals too of their own volition, and these things can coexist. The truth that *he* ruined his relationship with his siblings, not mortals. The truth that he's been burning in hatred for so long and that burning has all been for naught.

And let's just say, hypothetically, he gets what he wants. Everything goes according to plan, his siblings are killed or exiled and he gets to torment mortals for all eternity. But will he be satisfied? Hell no!

Because vengeance is a lose-lose game. The burning may be fun for a while, but in the end you're left alone with nothing but ashes.

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And then he'll have a mental breakdown and explode :) Which I kinda want to see ngl.

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So here’s my thought, because I don’t think the Archheart is wholly wrong about the gods needing to leave, but I think, as in all things, there’s nuance to that solution. Specifically, I don’t think all of them leaving at once is the best option.

I think the Archheart and whoever the second god is that wants to leave need to take the plunge and go off on their own. Because their argument hinges on this notion that mortaldom cannot grow with them still there, but by refusing to leave without the whole of their family beside them, they too are refusing to grow. To go off on their own and explore the cosmos for themselves. They are waffling on the choice of sticking with their family as they always have or leaving the home they found and made together, just as many of their siblings have waffled on their children VS their siblings. But the thing is, they (the Archheart plus one) know they want the latter choice—leaving—more than they want to stay (and as such stick w the family), so they want to force their family’s hand so they come with and they (Archheart plus one) can get their cake and eat it too.

Which is understandable! With all they’ve been through, all the family they’ve already lost, it makes sense that they don’t want to leave anyone else behind! But in order for them to grow, they need to. And I think, with time, if the Archheart and their fellow did leave, others would follow. Would see that the choice wasn’t as calamitous (heh) as they once feared it might be. Some would stay, because the world needs its constants—the sun, death, hope, nature—and because they care for their children too deeply to stray too far and that would be okay.

Staying close may well be as suffocating as the Archheart believes it to be, but then surely the inverse—severing that tie completely by all abandoning Exandria at once—must be just as harmful. There has to be balance; some stay, some go. Perhaps one day some even come back to visit. But the gods—the Archheart, their fellow, the rest—need to realize they can survive without each other too, just as they want to show mortals they can survive without them. They’re the same, after all.

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THIS^^^

I also just want to add that this fear of "leaving the family" and the consequences of not taking the plunge is clearly shown in the Betrayer Gods.

Because didn't they say that they originally wanted to leave Exandria behind? They hate this world and the people in it. It is incompatible with their natures.

But they couldn't conceive leaving their siblings behind, and so tried forcing their hands. Which only led to schism and constant war between them and misery for both the gods and the people of Exandria.

Corellon's plan feels like a repeat of history to me, but with an even more dangerous and uncontrollable factor than even the gods.

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One very fun thing about Asmodeus is that you can never be 100% sure about anything he says or does. Like, even when we know he's objectively false about something, there's still the question of whether he realizes what he's saying is a lie. Is he just making stuff up or does he actually believe his own bullshit? It's so hard to tell!

Personally, I think he's deluded himself into thinking the primes don't love him. His whole plot with Aeor is a convoluted way of "proving" this. He needs to prove this, he needs to be right, he cannot accept anything otherwise.

Because he's the god of lies. He is the god of lies and there's noone he lies to more than himself. And the greatest tragedy about him is that he is incapable of being honest about how much his siblings love him.

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Critters have given a million different reasons as to why we should or shouldn't kill the gods (myself included lol), but for me, it ultimately comes down to the fact that they're my blorbos and I love them. My fucked up little guys.

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Oh my god oh my god oh my god everybody shut up I just realized something huge (to me at least). Asmodeus wants what the Briarwoods had. He wants his siblings to "break the world" for him. For them.

Because for him, that's the greatest act of love!!! Burning everything to the ground, ruining the world and yourself for the ones you love. That's what made him real in the first place!!! So of course that's why he's so angry that the Primes chose Exandria over the Betrayers.

They couldn't do that! They can't break the world for him, for them. They can't do what he did for them. And he hates them for it.

He hates them. And he loves them. And he can't admit that so he lies and betrays and burns burns burns everything to the ground over and over again because that's the only way he knows how to express his love.

He'd break the world for them, but they cannot do the same for him. It is not out of a lack of love. It is just not in their nature to burn.

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@nickmarini's response to my asks has suddenly and inexplicably broken me out of my writer's block, so here's a snippet of a fic inspired by it. Hopefully I'll be able to finish it lol.

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He glances towards his brother—who is not there. A look behind him reveals the coward has already fled. Typical.

Pelor looks back towards the Wildmother and raises his hands up in placation. “Sister—”

“Brother. For the sake of our continued sibling-hood—Run.”

Pelor runs.

The screeching howls of wild things follow them as they make their escape. Twisting vines and gnarled roots reach out to trip them as they dash through the dense thicket.

“I see our sister is as cheery as ever!” Asmodeus calls out from ahead. “Did I touch a nerve?”

“That was her anniversary gift from Erathis, you ass!”

“Oh really!? Well, forgive me for not keeping up! I haven’t exactly been invited to any family reunions lately!”

Pelor’s response is cut short by a roar in his ear. He dives out of the way a moment before the largest tiger he’s ever seen rips out his throat. He lands in a nearby thorn-bush, spikes digging into his skin.

His sister can be really mean, sometimes.

Unfortunately, he doesn’t get a moment to breathe. A sharp tug pulls at him, and he knows that Asmodeus has reached the end of their tether.  He moves to get up but before he can do so, the tiger pounces. Dagger-like claws tear at his flesh, and the iron stench of blood fills the air.

“Aargh!” Pelor struggles to push the cat off him. It is hundreds of pounds of pure muscle but even in this form, He is the Sun. BOOM. Light explodes out from him, and the beast is thrown back into a tree trunk, landing with a wet thud and a crack of splintering wood.

He pushes himself up, and startles as sudden heat whooshes over his shoulder and rockets down on the tiger, igniting both it and the tree in a blaze of fire.

Pelor looks back at the fiend-that-is-his-brother standing a few paces behind him.

“What?” Asmodeus accuses. “It moved. I’m helping.”

Pelor shakes his head as he brushes past him. “I didn’t say anything.”

Asmodeus bristles, about to object, when another howl sounds from deeper into the jungle and snaps them out of their squabble.

They look at each other.

Pelor smirks, “Go on, help some more.”

Asmodeus rolls his eyes, “I hate you.” He scoffs, but his lips are twitching. Liar.

Pelor’s smirk widens into a grin, and it lights up the forest around them.

The howl sounds again, closer this time, and they break out into a run. They weave though snares of vines and dart out of the jaws of carnivorous plants. Venomous snakes bite at their ankles and birds swoop down at them with sharp beaks and long talons.

At one point, an eagle dive-bombs them and tries to claw out their eyes. Asmodeus throws fire at it and the bird explodes into a squawking ball of flaming plumage.

Pelor blinks. Fire. Squawking. Burnt feathers. “Looks like that phoenix of yours!”

Asmodeus cackles at that comment.

Suddenly, the tree-line breaks. They can see the sky, the clouds, the sunlight shining down upon them. The wide-open air greets them, and they skid to a stop before the precipice of a great cliff.

That's it for now! Hope ya'll enjoy reading. I have so much brain rot about these two its not okay.

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Been thinking about how Braius probably writes fanfiction about the Lord of the Hells, and how that leads to the funniest most insane questions about how worship works.

Do the gods hear every prayer? Do they know when you write fanfiction about them? Do the gods have to listen to every shitty h*rny thing written or spoken about them?

If I were Asmodeus, and I had to listen to every terrible h*rny fanfiction or lusty insane thought about myself for all of eternity, I, too, would want to burn everything to the ground and start over.

Prime Deities truly have the patience of saints for putting up with that and still loving mortals. Cause Jesus christ. Like, imagine all the weird daddy k*nks people project onto the dawnfather. And he just has to, like, deal with that. And heaven help any of the goddesses. I would immediately start smiting fools.

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One weird take I've seen after downfall is that the solution to the whole gods issue could be tying the divine gate to the cage around Predathos. That if the gods break through to Exandria, they are dooming themselves.

Now, this seems okay on a surface level. But its actually just as insane as going "we should just release predathos and kill all the gods". Because, like, this is just mutually assured destruction, ya'll. And that doesn't work???? There's a reason why nuclear disarmarment is an important thing in real life.

If the gods come to Exandria and wreck the place, then at least there's a chance of coming back from it. We've seen this with calamity! Exandria lived through it! If Predathos is released, Exandria isn't gonna live through it! It's done. It's over. We're screwed.

Like, lets say the divine gate is tied to predathos' cage. What if the Betrayers managed some way to break it down and were just like "actually we do want to die." What would happen then??? Predathos just gets to eat up everybody???

Mutually assured destruction doesn't work!!! More nukes doesn't stop people from nuking each other! It just makes the end of the world more likely! Please think people.

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