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round and round the winchesters go

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I am an Angel of the Lord who probably would do well in finance, and I don't like to do what people expect. Thirty-four. White USian. Autistic, anxious depressive (with PTSD). Nonbinary/genderqueer (demigirl). She/they pronouns. Sex-indifferent pan gay greyromantic demisexual. INFP/ISFP. Survivor. Socialist. Feminist. Relativist. Agnostic atheist. Struggling college student (yes, still). Honest misanthrope (because humans are works of art but humanity is tainted by its hatreds, conceits, and deceits), almost never neutral (because the status quo isn't), and unapologetic slasher 'til death do I stop. I am things, I question things, I like things, I hate things, I watch things, I read things, I write things, I say things, I do things. Things happen on this blog.
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Anonymous asked:

so you think dean is going to go demon/darkside then?

yeah, it seems pretty inevitable at this point.

i’m just personally dreading it being the cliffhanger, because that means we’ll have an entire summer hiatus for crappy dean meta being written - about ‘how he always had this darkness (instead of it being fostered within him in hell),’ ‘how he deserves this after being so ‘abusive’ (instead of exploring dean’s own abuse)”, etc. there’s going to be a sharp and annoying upsurge in dean!hate. 

and i don’t see them resolving the arc properly?? spn has a tendency to do quick-fix cliffhangers: dean’s in hell/dean’s out, lucifer’s coming out/sam and dean are deus ex machina-ed to safety, cas is god/cas is not god, dean and cas stuck in purgatory/dean’s out…and so on.

it all comes down to the writers being afraid of keeping sam and dean apart, when it’s exactly what needs to happen. it’s the only way to let dean work through his darker impulses and give sam/dean enough air to mend their relationship. ughhh

so, sigh, this is probably going to get a quick fix as well, dean going dark in 9x23/dean being saved in 10x01-2. :///

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iellawessiri

Okay so about Dean's new love interest

I’m mad

You might be mad

A lot of us are furious

Dean being bisexual (or pan or demi) is important to many of us

Destiel is so so important to many of us

But please please please don’t harass the actress

She did not decide to make this character, portraying whatever the writers tell her to do is her job

She’s an actress

Please don’t hate her

Also… A lot of us might be mad because we are worried that, given Dean’s current status as a demon and the show’s track record, that whatever happens may not be consensual, and/or that her character will otherwise be very poorly treated by the narrative. No. I phrased that too vaguely, and I’m not going to prevaricate, here. To put it plainly, there is a very real risk of sexual assault, sexualized violence, or just plain violence, being subjected to the character that this actress is portraying.  This is also a legitimate worry. However, if this is the case, the point still stands, and it stands even stronger. Women in the acting business get a lot of deeply terrible, deeply problematic roles that they have to take, because it is work. Plain and simple. It is a paycheck, and they pay their rent and buy food and make it through the day, but they are not the ones with the power in this situation, to decide what their character will be like, or what will happen to them.  A lot of these roles, I have to imagine, are not fun things to portray, and we have no right whatsoever to add to that emotional toll. I am sure a lot of actresses would much rather take on a role with a fully fledged character and as an important lead, where they are not sexualized or subjected to violence or loss of agency or villainized.  It is not the fault of the actress for taking on such a role, it is the fault of the writers, producers, directors, and everyone else responsible for creating such a role, and the landscape of the media for normalizing and legitimizing such roles, and providing a dearth of other options. It is the fault of the majority of the people in positions of power and choices in the media that dictate the script, the straight white males who are coming from a place of privilege, a lack of sensitivity or understand in terms of these issues, ignorance, etc. (Even when minorities do become content creators and in positions of power, that does not always fix this issue, as sometime they are the ones who are willing to perpetuate the same stuff, and get rewarded for it. See also: female writers like Eugenie Ross-Leming and Jenny Klein, some of the worst offenders in the writer’s room, in terms of consent issues and sexism.) That is the majority of why the media is the way it is, that these power structures are in place. It is important to be aware of them.  If this episode goes down the way that a lot of us are afraid it will, and you are angry, direct that anger where it counts.  Tell the producers. Tell the network. Tell the writers of the episode. Tell the people who made the decisions, the people who took those choices and crafted it as such. Rage all you want, but kick up, not down. 

#Long post. #Rape cw

What Dubious said.

What 9x03 taught me is that the erasure is somewhat less, if not unimportant, of a worry than rape, in this show. Because a female character can be used to simultaneously rape and heteronormalize a queer-leaning character, but only one of those can exist at once, so you get half of fandom thinking it's erasure and the other half recognizing it as rape. We all freaked out over 9x03, scared the same way as we are over Dean and Ann Marie, for many reasons (and P.S. I remember very clearly that half of fandom thought Destiel shippers sent hate to that actress, and she said it hadn't happened, so people are jumping the gun here; P.S.S. You know what dehumanizes female characters with the added bonus of doing very little to help anxious rape and abuse survivors? When you tag them "Dean x other" or "Cas x other" instead of "Dean x Ann Marie" and "Cas x Meg/Cas x April/Cas x Daphne etc.").

I was worried the most about allosexist treatment of Castiel, and my worries were shown to be justified, by canon and fandom, when people took that rape and ran with it, shitting all over the sexuality Castiel has exhibited up till now by saying "now he's human, he's sexual" and refusing to think for a second about the consent issues in the rush to make Castiel allo like them, much less warn when discussing it in view of survivors and ace people.

That act was rape (By Deception, survival sex, intent to harm, coercion, impersonation of a trustworthy party; you name it), and allo people are still defending it (in the same manner as they are 6x10's sexual assault via forced kiss: as a sexual awakening by surprise sex act Castiel "enjoyed"). I never saw a post apart from those of ace spectrum people discussing the complicated issues of sexuality surrounding it, and I could not have been less pleased with fandom for how it was dealt with.

But the writers didn't know that when they wrote it. And fandom, in large part, didn't either. Everyone, PTB and writers, needed to be worried about that, and they weren't.

So here we are at S10 and we're back in Reaper!April territory, and fandom is again worrying overly much more about one than the other. My worries are not that the "intense fling" that'll show Dean "has some devil in him" will have anything to do with long-term romance or act as no homo/bi to destroy the Destiel structure. My worries are based entirely on a far more pressing issue: that "intense" will mean rape from a "devil" Dean. I don't want another Meg, or Ruby (which, if someone has a GIFset of the 4x09 Ruby/Sam scene in full, I'd appreciate it being sent my way, because the more I watch it, the more ways I'm certain it's rape--as much as Meg and Cas would've been as he repeatedly made clear he wouldn't consent, dead meatsuit or not, and I'd like to make a post of just how.) or Lilith, or Abaddon, or Crowley, or Azazel, or Alastair. I don't want another rapist, and I certainly don't want that rapist to be Dean, whom I'm expected to sympathize with. If they show his guilt and regret, I may be able to come back from that (as they never do that with demons in SPN, Ruby included, and it would show well his dueling natures; unlike with Spike, it won't have come after two seasons of abuse and Nice Guy esque predatory response of the person he then assaults), but regardless, it will be a huge blow to me as a Dean fan and a rape survivor.

My worries are based upon the fact that demons don't have sex--don't have flings, they rape; demons sexually harass, demons sexually assault, demons pointedly sexualize their violence, their words, and their coercion and manipulation. Demons and sexual acts = rape. This is indisputable. Every demon who's recurred, as far as I remember, at least, has shown themselves to be sexually predatory, sexually abusive, or outright rapists. My worries revolve around the fact that the writers are so unaware of the consent issues surrounding demons that this is one of the first spoilers we get, as though a demon in an act construed as sexual is an enticement, which goes to show, as we know by 9x03, that the writers/PTB who are going to write this have no self-consciousness about how they are portraying anything related to "sex", including in in regards to demons. Possession is one thing, and one we won't have to worry about with Dean, because his body is his own, but demons rape in more ways than that.

Love interest is deeply unlikely, fandom, you're missing the point here with your anxiety (and though I empathize with the fear of erasure, S9 was more consent issues than erasure, if you paid attention). Rape, however, is likely, so maybe worry about that instead. I'm sick with anxiety over it.

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athirstheart

”Jensen said Dean is really dead and gone and demon Dean is someone new”

i was wondering about this, i guess this answers my question. :(((

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feandra

That’s not true. He said this in a 100% joking way. He doesn’t have a clue what the writers are going to do with demon Dean (which he also said later on). He even said that he doesn’t know yet how he’s gonna play him because he doesn’t know the specifics. This is actually completely taken out of context. 

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I can tease that Cas knows what the Mark of Cain is from past experience and he knows that it’s not a good thing. He’s not happy about it. He’s worried about Dean. In fact, I’ll give you a direct quote. Cas says, “I’m worried about him.” So there you go.

Misha Collins, when he is asked “Jensen recently told us that Cas might be the one to help Dean now that he’s struggling with the Mark of Cain. Any chance we’ll see that happen?" ( X )

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x-cetera

Inspired by the anon who told me that bi Dean wouldn’t really be that groundbreaking and claimed I didn’t know what I was talking about, I put together some numbers to further illustrate my case.

I have listed all the LGBT leading or supporting characters on broadcast television this year and noted their billing (what order they are listed in the credits). For some reason Jensen is second to Jared, but even with that, he would be playing the highest billed bisexual character on all of broadcast tv.

Isn’t it time for us to stop being just sidekicks?

*Edit: Thanks to a bunch of people who told me that it’s Mitchell Pritchett in Modern Family. I’ve updated accordingly. That means there’s only one show on broadcast tv that has an LGBT lead, the on-the-bubble new sitcom Sean Saves the World on NBC. *Edit 2: Now updates Cas to queer since as an angel he is neither male or female.

Reblogging this post from a few months ago because I’m getting a lot of “you forgot so-and-so” asks. Here’s the full list for current network tv!

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MISHA COLLINS MAKES HIS DIRECTING DEBUT — Dean (Jensen Ackles) struggles with the after effects of the Mark of Cain. Meanwhile, Sam (Jared Padalecki) hears about a case where straight-laced people are turning into violent murderers. Sam suspects possession and suggests to Dean that they investigate, but Dean tells him to go without him. While interviewing the local townsfolk, Sam meets an elderly woman named Julia (guest star Jenny O’Hara), who tells him the Men of Letters came to town in 1958. Julia tells Sam the story of a young man named Henry Winchester (guest star Gil McKinney) and his female companion, Josie Sands (guest star Alaina Huffman). While Sam is away, Crowley (Mark Sheppard) tests Dean. Misha Collins directed the episode written by Adam Glass (#917)

9.17 description (via mishadmitrikrushniccollins) yES ALAINA COME TO US

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THE GHOSTFACERS RETURN — A teenage girl (guest star Ali Webb) is killed and the final selfie she took before the attack shows a ghostly figure in the background. Looking for something to keep them busy, Dean and Sam head to Washington to find the ghost. While the two interview the girl’s mother, Betty (guest star Maria Marlow), they are surprised when she starts talking about cold spots and fritzing. When they ask her about bringing up paranormal signs, Betty replies that the “supernaturalists” who called earlier brought it up. Enter Harry (guest star Travis Wester) and Ed (guest star A.J. Buckley), the famous supernaturalists.

S9 Ep15 Thinman  (via castielnovak)

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thegeekiary

Trigger Warning: The following article contains discussion of harmful psychological conditions, and includes a brief reference to eating disorders.

While the last Supernatural was primarily a Monster of the Week and fairly unremarkable in a history of similarly formatted stories, the final three minutes of the episode have sparked debate and discussion within the Supernatural Family regarding a repeated theme that has divided the fans for years: the codependency of the Winchester brothers.

Great article, everyone should read this.

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zatnikatel

Wow, what a great article…

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What's next for Sam and Dean?

“Sam kind of goes introverted and Dean goes forward. Sam is more the kind of guy that thinks something out and says, ‘Well, you know, this is where you messed up [and] this is why I’m upset.’… It’s nice dichotomy to catch on camera and, hopefully, Jensen [Ackles] and I get a chance to do a good job with it.”
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musingsdeme

I know that it’s wrong, but I really, desperately, truly, and deeply, want Castiel to choose humanity, to excise his grace, fall, become, mortal, and then I want him to tell Dean, and I want to watch Dean’s face collapse into a thousand tiny pieces, even though he tries to look happy, even though this is what’s he’s prayed for every day for years.  And I want Cas to say, “I want to live my human life with you”, and then I want the camera to pan out, and I want to watch dean’ clutch the Mark of Cain on his arm, through his layers of flannel, and I want to watch is eyes because, you can see the exact moment when the tables will have turned, where Cas is doomed to die, and Dean will be left alone in the wreckage, immortal, alone, a monster…everything he swore he’d never be…

WHY THE FUCK DID YOU JUST DO THIS TO ME

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I just have to say that it’s impossible for Cas to live his life as an angel the same way as before having been a human. There are lessons and feelings that he had as a human that absolutely influence the decisions he makes as an angel today, not always to the best and not always for the worst. But he is a forever-changed angel.
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winjennster
TVLINE | And now that he’s an angel again, is his mission different? Has he changed somehow, having that experience of being a human? Yes, it is different — in a way that I can’t completely go into now. But there is no question that his time being human will affect his thinking going forward. And he’s going to find himself in the angelic fray, as it were, more than ever. And he’s going to find himself at a point of decision that he never considered a few short months ago. It’s going to be a little bit of a be-careful-what-you-wish-for [situation] when it comes to Cas and what’s in store for him as a newly reminted angel.

(I am finding this very interesting and am especially curious about the “And he’s going to find himself at a point of decision that he never considered a few short months ago” part. I’m incredibly excited for the second half of the season, and I have a feeling Carver is sitting on something huge and is using the company line of business as usual in this interview to hide it.)

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zatnikatel
This is a guy who, as nobly as he tried to become the best human he could, always very much had the understanding, whether he liked it or not, that he’s intended for something bigger and greater. Some of us are just meant for a higher calling. Like Luke Skywalker could have been the best farmer he could have been, but he was meant for a higher calling. And Cas falls into this category of hero, as do the Winchesters…

Jeremy Carver, X (via zatnikatel)

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cute ‘n fun s9 wishlist

  • Abaddon striking Metatron down like the ant that he is
  • Abaddon striking Crowley down like the ant that he is
  • Garth is the fan favorite that is dramatically killed off in the finale!!!! cue my cries of “no!!!! gone before his time!!!!!!”
  • Tracy and Charlie and Jody getting lots of screentime and not being violently murdered
  • and whoa what’s that Ellie and Amelia make an epic reappearance to the show?!?! so neat!!!
  • episode where people have to touch Dean gently the entire time
  • another bottle episode
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