Gina? Gina, do you copy? Gina, what’s going on? Gina, are you ok?
”It’s gone. It’s gone. They’re all gone. Sinclair and I are the only ones left. I’m so sorry.”
[head in hands]
Go ahead, douchebags in fandom, tell me Crowley’s valid, desirable, at all good queer representation, tell me how much you love him, after he just killed a queer woman because he was bored with her fighting Dean, and he wanted to use and then discard another female character--coded as a child--mere minutes after making a “priest and altar boy” rape joke about Dean. (Remind anyone of a particular sleazebucket rapist who wanted to use and abuse a minor last season? ...Especially after he just raped three adults.) Go ahead and ship Dean/Crowley and say it’s mutual attraction (lol no), and so canon, when it’s been made very clear that Crowley is an obsessed abusive rapist with no respect for Dean outside of “I won’t kill him cos I’m into him and/or currently I need him around.” and Dean wants no part of it.
(And when Crowley is as queercoding as it gets.) -_-
...Or maybe get a fucking conscience, and don’t.
you make me happy
when skies are grey
same, Robbie.
Did everyone just wake up on the stupid side of the bed this morning?
The worst part about Charlie’s death is that everything precipitating it depended on the characters being seethingly, irresponsibly, unaccountably dumb.
They have been hunting supernatural baddies all their lives. They have been to Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory. They’ve faced down everything from minor ghosts to the Mother of All Monsters and then some. They’ve been the subject of manhunts by monsters, fellow hunters, the FBI, and the Heavenly Host. I refuse to buy that they’re so careless and ignorant they would just leave a resourceful, preternaturally-strong enemy chained up by one wrist with the other hanging free, but that’s what the RTP – that’s the Racist Truck People, Buckner & Ross-Leming, for those playing the home game – had them do so Herr Frankenstein could get free.
They made it Sam’s fault because Dean spent the entire episode trying to reach out to him and get some honest communication but Sam, who’s lost his agency and the world to family lies and needless secrets, wouldn’t fucking talk to his brother.
They made Castiel – the billions-of-years-old seraph and former leader of an angelic army who has faced off with all four archangels – completely clueless and effete, unable to so much as get two humans to stop quibbling for a few fucking moments.
They made Charlie, the wily survivor and expert of going off the grid, unable to handle a squabble with another woman (because women just can’t help but be catty and dramatic with each other amirite boys hahaaaa edgy) to the point that she ran off on her own, despite knowing that she was actively being hunted and had she just ASKED for backup she would have gotten it.
Not only did they write Charlie running off on her own to escape ~woman drama~ they also had her leave a literal bunker full of supernatural and mundane weaponry with nothing but a knife to defend herself instead of oh say A GODDAMN SHOTGUN.
They had a lesbian left dead in a bath/shower by a member of the group responsible for the rise of Nazism. That’s not a character running with the Idiot Ball thing but it deserves mention and if you don’t get what’s wrong with that you need to crack a history book bruh.
Apparently it just wasn’t bad enough to kill off the character who was a fan favourite, fandom representative, their only canonically queer character, and one of the few recurring female characters period. The RTP made it the result of four people going out of character to be as foolish and useless as possible. And that’s just bad writing.
Terrible writing killed Charlie Bradbury, and I will not forgive them.
#well it's nice to hear you say that#but it does make me concerned that one of your 'brothers' is going to get you killed while trying to save the other 'brother'#that line is concerning that they're having her just put it out there like that#remember in s6 when dean said cas was ~like a brother~ and then the show attempted to kill cas For Real in 7x02?#*squints at show mistrustfully*#y'all have been doing better this season re: treatment of female characters#but this line is concerning#and i would probably never forgive Sam if he got Charlie killed#he knows how dangerous the book is and he got her involved anyway#he's not being blackmailed into it#he's not being tricked#he's making a choice#nothing really before hearing this line has made me concerned about charlie's life expectancy#but i'm concerned now#supernatural season 10 spoilers#spn s10 spoilers#spn 10x21 spoilers dark dynasty#spn 10x21 dark dynasty spoilers#*waves stern finger at show*#don't do it (via)
What would make you quit the show for good, if anything? A specific character dying or being treated in a certain way? Carver saying Destiel will never be canon? Or are you committed to SPN until the end, regardless of what they do?
I don’t…
I, um…
That’s a really good question. One I don’t actually have a concrete answer to.
I would say “Charlie dying” like dubiousculturalartifact does, but I don’t think it’s at all possible that that’s going to happen.
There’s really nothing I could conceive of as POSSIBLE that would make me leave. I don’t see Charlie dying. I don’t see Carver saying that. I dunno.
It’s my special interest. And I have fought too hard to stay with it. I’m not sure anything they could do that I could see them doing, would mean me leaving.
But they could make me a liar, because Supernatural is good at hitting new lows just when you think it’s not going to happen. So don’t quote me.
anonymous asked:
I'm so scared that Charlie is going to die in 10.21. I can feel it inmy bones and I am getting lots of anxiety about it
Charlie’s not going to die.
There’s little I’m ever sure of with Supernatural, but that is one thing I am.
She’s not. They’d never. I’m absolutely certain.
anonymous asked:
if charlie dies she will come back!! ( the one good thing we can atleast rely on)
YES SHE WILL. I hope we won’t have to worry, but yes, at least if it happens, ‘death isn’t goodbye’ can be held onto for the time being, until she can (cos she DAMN WELL BETTER) return.
Anonymous said:April 30th 2015, 4:59:00 am · a day agoLooks like Charlie is a goner! OOPS!
Anon, what was the point of this message except to sound kind of rude.
eDIT: I answered these in the last week and I am still having an anxiety attack about this, so I have no idea how I feel except irrational-fueled-by-manipulative-PR worried.
Discussing my seeming lack of response to last night's deaths
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the problem with Supernatural is not that there's violence against/murder of female characters. There is violence against everyone in Supernatural. Nearly every single character we've ever met has faced some kind of assault, some kind of pain they didn't cause themselves. And most of them die (though, let's a thousand times discuss the fact that only the male characters come back in any real, lasting, non-fantasized way).
The problem is how these characters are written to die or disappear--with little to no fuss from anyone. Written as plot devices whose relevance to the SPN universe only occurs when the Winchesters (or their allies--and for some reason women are never elevated, though Ruby got the closest, to that particular level of narrative importance, I WONDER WHY) need them. Written in a way that forgets they exist when they die or get Put on a Bus. The problem is that so many female characters have so little significance that for most of them fridging isn't even a concept because the narrative doesn't imbue the audience's proxy, the protagonists, with enough fucking connection to the character for that.
Characters that have huge impacts on both the protagonists and the SPN universe's makeup, good or bad, are forgotten, are erased, when they die or end up On a Bus. Supernatural actually rarely even respects women's significance to anything--anybody--enough to even call it fridging. The death or disappearance of female characters erases their histories, their current relationships or arcs, and their possible futures, entirely. Anna. Ruby. Meg. Lisa. Charlie. Etc. They don't just die: they're wiped completely out of fucking existence. Fridging would be too kind for what happens to most recurring characters cast with women in Supernatural. (And that's without even mentioning what happens to the ones in single episodes to whom the protagonists do seemingly connect, about whom you'd think they'd ever speak or worry, but don't.)
(Not to mention how often their assaults/deaths are far more gruesome or sexualized, but that's another post for another time: for the record, I thought last night was fairly good about that too. I like that they tend to do that with Dean, because it makes me feel safer, as someone who's faced big guys holding her against things with their bodies; Dean's [possibly chosen by Jensen] recurring desexualization of his holds on women [last night, iirc, he was beside Flagstaff with the blade to her neck, and he was holding Tessa's wrists between them instead of pinning her with his body against hers. I'll also never get the whole 'he sexually assaulted Bela' thing, though I fully support your fears if you do, because I've watched and rewatched that scene and his disarming is quick and methodical and doesn't touch her more than he needs to, but that's another write-up] when he gets violent with them is rare, in male heroes.)
I thought last night actually stepped up a bit in terms of this, writing Flagstaff spearheading her own retribution, contrary to what her Big Male Leader says, and Tessa arranging HER OWN death (as opposed to last season's 22, where Sarah had absolutely no power, her death was weaponized in a fight between heroic men and villainous men and the most blatant example of fridging on this show that's happened since the fucking pilot) to the anger of people who valued her (there was no 'our mother'; 'our friend'; 'our daughter'; 'our captain' etc. it was all 'TESSA?') instead of their relationship to her; we'll see how long that lasts.
(I do mourn Ice Cream Angel, "she" was pretty cool, but I have long given up on the idea of literally any angel or demon except maybe Castiel being allowed to live more than an episode or two [maybe half a dozen at most]. Esp. ones on the opposing side. My numbness to, my recovery time to Supernatural killing p. much anybody [except perhaps Cas: cos me] has reached an all-time high. It's not that I forgive the show; it's that I don't have the energy, the mental space, to devote my focus to the shit I can't change that hurts me right now. I care. I know it's problematic. I talk about it frequently. But I can't bring myself to make it The Thing right now.)
An Interesting Observation in a Fandom That Has Opinions:
What a great thing SPN's writers have had going for years.
They get to blame fans or opposers of specific things for why they got rid of those things and watch fandom fight amongst themselves and tiptoe silently out of the wrongly directed melee, and continue to do what they did to begin with, unchallenged.
"You hated Bela (and her and Dean)!" they scream, even though Kripke himself hated Bela and admitted he killed her off cos it was becoming "The Bela Show". People hated Bela for not giving a shit about the cause of killing Lilith (selling the Colt, for instance), but Bela didn't have to have died even if people didn't like her with Dean and it's bullshit that she hasn't come back as a demon, because that would be incredible. (And easy, it doesn't have to even be the same actress if scheduling conflicts happen.)
"You hated Jo, you never wanted her with Dean!" people yell, ignoring that Jo and Dean hadn't been seen together in seasons and that the original writing was supposed to have Dean and Anna together in S4 on, so it was unlikely anti-shippers had anything to do with her death (and since she had grown out of her crush on him--which is a super feminist way to portray that relationship--that they weren't going to be together before she died). Ignoring that as fucking bullshit as the loss of Jo and Ellen is, they actually died in a way that closed their arc satisfyingly.
"They killed Meg cos of Destiel shippers/ Megstiel anti-shippers!" is said, like Meg wasn't marked for death as a villain from the start and they hadn't changed her specifically in a way that made that ending pretty certain for her (though the extent of no homo from her end was surprising). Like they hadn't been slowly draining away her allies and overwriting how fucking powerful and remorseless she was (yet not making her likable enough to be a Good Guy) with "put up or shut up" and and "I need friends" / "mutually assured destruction", as well as giving Abaddon--a more powerful and mysterious and unknown Meg, basically, in all things--her arc of hating/fighting Crowley, taunting the Winchesters, and making a regime change. As though there was just nothing to do with Meg that didn't have to involve the half-baked no homo they tried (and failed) with Castiel. As though they hadn't clearly grabbed the first no homo trope they could find after the sexist writing that had essentially defanged her and sidelined her real "cause" for no homo OOC reasons over two seasons to fridge her. "My unicorn." as her reasoning for fighting someone she already hated by herself, as though Meg could be Redeemed by Love without actually changing at all. /Simba-esque pfuh.
"They killed Anna cos of Destiel shippers!" is said, with ignorance of the fact that writing Castiel into Anna's role (because he was at the beginning of the coming of age Anna had already gone through before she appeared) didn't actually have to mean killing Anna. (She could have been with Ruby, helped Ruby escape at the end of S4 instead of either of them getting caught, and it would have been a fascinating side plot and queer and demon/angel without rape cos they both had empty vessels and actually liked each other and don't even fucking touch me, I'm so pissed about that. She could have been friends or more with Sam, that would have made a lot of sense, actually, in terms of their characters, Sam trying to stop her from killing Sam in Song and a relationship developing there if she had to be a fucking love interest and they'd already tried that with Dean and Ruby still died [cos as much as I hate what was done to S4 Ruby after S3 Ruby, S4 Ruby goes out at the top of her game in a very feminist end for a villain]. She could have escaped Michael and been a double agent in Heaven for a while. So much potential, she didn't have to have the storyline Cas fit in better to have a storyline.)
(I'm not going to go into Wincest, cos from what I've heard, a lot of Just the Brothers Wincest shippers would gladly shove most love interests Dean and Sam have ever had into a tree shredder. And it doesn't actually matter, because once again, it was the writers' choices to get rid of them.)
Nobody mentions that institutionally racist and sexist and heterosexist writing are the fucking reason the fans reacted to them that way to begin with, that villains are written to be hated, and that TPTB are well aware of this when they write them, even if they're not consciously choosing to write and cast villains (and shitty allies and people who derail the main cause by which the protagonists order themselves) as such.
Nobody mentions that literally nearly every single character is hated by some vocal faction of fandom, and though individual contributions to sexism and racism makes the lady and PoC haters louder, hate is not a singular reason to kill off a character. The writers chose which factions to listen to; liking or hating (or NOT CARING AS MUCH ABOUT) a character is not a fucking crime. The privileged as fuck writers wrote characters and their storylines and their relationships cognizant of how fans would likely react to them and then used the fan reactions as justification for them doing something they'd always intended to do. And y'know, it's just oh so coincidental that they always do that with ladies and PoC (as well as Cas one memorable season, and they chose to bring him back).
Yet. They also claim the fans are entitled to nothing from the writing and that everybody's interpretations are supported (mostly in response to accusations of having baited queer people). That "X thing in fandom" isn't something they think or talk about, that they don't write for specific fans.
I'm just saying. You have to admire the comfortable position they're sitting in, watching us all hate each other for having opinions about characters and relationships, picking out a faction to blame if they decide to do something terrible to that character, no matter how many people actually hated them to the point that they wanted them gone.
A faction which we will then attack as the reason for the character's fate, while the writers get off scot-free. Which is exactly as they planned, writing specific characters to be responded to and then blaming us for responding to them (usually appropriately so) if they fuck them over.
(This, fyi, is why I do attack the writers--the problem is in the writing, not the extremists/subjective haters' reactions--and I don't actually give a shit if people like or hate characters or relationships.)
(P.S. If this isn't obvious already, though of COURSE not every single fucking death of any marginalized character is purely -ism, just like Meg's fridging at the end of an arc that overwrote a lot of her as an agreeable tool for the Winchesters and ended in out of the blue half-baked no homo was sexist [heterosexist] writing [just like how they wrote Bela, Anna, Linda, Ruby, Naomi, Channing, Linda etc...] if women say so, Kevin's sidelining so that we felt mostly anger and shock [if that much] at his death and his pretty predictably written, somewhat final death itself is racist writing if PoC say it is. And they do. So shut it. The writing that prizes white dudes over other characters [that tries to make you care more about their stories, whether you end up doing so or not] is the fucking problem, so let people complain of it so we can maybe actually resolve the problem.)
character tropes → Jessica Moore
supernatural meme: four pairings: Sam/Jess
”Sam was going to ask her to marry him. Been shopping for rings and everything.”
“I’ll be your first and you’ll be my last. My world, my everything, till my time has past. I will always love you until the end of time. and you will always be my Valentine.”
supernatural meme nine side-characters
#sweet angel #it’s your birthday too #because this show is the worst and meanest and no one can have nice things #it pains me to think about the fact that this date will always conflict sam now #because of course he remembers; he remembers every curve of her face and every laugh and every lie he had to tell her #and he remembers when she told him her birthday was january 24th and how it felt so right (like fate) but hurt a little too #because it made him miss his brother and recall why and how he left #but he had her and he believed they had a chance to be happy; to be normal #so now it’s flipped #he has his brother back and he’s thankful that he’s alive; that they’re both alive; that they’ve endured so much #sometimes he resents it too but mostly he’s thankful and especially on dean’s birthday. one more year of living and carrying on #but in the back of his mind he silently remembers her and the smell of the fire mingling with the smell of the cookies she’d left for him #and nothing for the winchesters can ever be happy or normal #and jessica will never get another birthday and they will never share another kiss #because all she is now is the smoke curling from the wick of a snuffed out birthday candle #don’t talk to me i’m upset
The studio bosses wanted Eric Kripke to write Jessica as an ongoing character, but Eric just thought it wouldn’t work, and he suggested to kill her off, which they liked. Then the studio urged Kripke to make Jessica an evil demon character, who was planted into Sam’s life with purpose, and whose betrayal drives him on the road as he realizes, demons are closer to him than he thought.
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He actually sort of did this plot in season 5, with Brady. I guess it’s different when it’s a male character making Sam realise how close demons have been. Fridging women is just so much better for the plot than having actual female characters.
may eric kripke step on a lego and be the redshirt in his own life because this is fucked up bullshit.