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round and round the winchesters go

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I am an Angel of the Lord who probably would do well in finance, and I don't like to do what people expect. Thirty-four. White USian. Autistic, anxious depressive (with PTSD). Nonbinary/genderqueer (demigirl). She/they pronouns. Sex-indifferent pan gay greyromantic demisexual. INFP/ISFP. Survivor. Socialist. Feminist. Relativist. Agnostic atheist. Struggling college student (yes, still). Honest misanthrope (because humans are works of art but humanity is tainted by its hatreds, conceits, and deceits), almost never neutral (because the status quo isn't), and unapologetic slasher 'til death do I stop. I am things, I question things, I like things, I hate things, I watch things, I read things, I write things, I say things, I do things. Things happen on this blog.
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Anonymous asked:

I always find it amusing when Cas!stans think wincest shippers are "unreasonable" but handwave all the shit Cas has pulled because he's "such a poor manipulated baby". Hilarious, really.

I always find it sad, and terribly unsurprising (for obvious reasons), when Wincest shippers can’t seem to grasp the effects of emotional and physical abuse and decades (or in Cas’s case, literal millennia) of emotional and structural manipulation, nor muster up any reasonable sympathy for pretty much anybody but their precious fetishized brothers, even a character as really, genuinely altruistic and kind, if flawed and understandably ignorant, as Castiel. Even when you’ve heard from the mouths of his many, varied abusers/manipulators what they’ve done, even when you’ve seen it happen onscreen, you can’t appear to let it filter in. It’s sad, and also sufficiently annoying (and in some instances triggering), enough to keep me from engaging with pretty much all anti-Cas Wincest shippers ever.

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yaelstiel

Yes, my last message sounded hateful towards Cas because if a "friend" drove my little sister insane and nearly kills her just because said friend was mad at me, then yeah I hope I'll be hateful to "friend" . I wouldn't give a fig with my now former friend is going through change. Try to kill my sister once and me being hateful is going to be the least of that guy's problem.

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The thing with fiction, they will always take the most extreme situations to show real life issues. 

How do you deal with the only friend you have when he hurt you so badly? you can turn away, and that will be legit, and understandable, and you can give a second chance. If that friend shows you he can change, and you really don’t want to give up on him. 

For me, Cas is going through a process of ‘exorcism’ , he is getting rid of thousands of years of being a monster (an unnatural being) to become a human. And it’s like being reborn. It’s like taking the demon out, it’s like being something completely new. he is learning. step by step. 

Being human is nothing Cas ever was, he only knows that word and it’s ethics for, what, six years? and what part is it from his life? less than one percent. 

So yes, I don’t think what he did was acceptable, and he did lost his only friends when he did that , they left him with a demon in a mental hospital, alone (and they were right to do so) 

But he is changing, and his change is so hard, because he barely has guidance. 

He doesn’t have the view of humanity between right and wrong, only the one inserted to him in heaven. So I don’t excuse his actions, but I can see where they are coming from , and I can see the change he is going through. and I love him for that. 

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All right, let me school you real quick, asker.

This is a case of something I’ve recently read about called the Fundamental Attribution Error. You are completely disregarding canon and the situation therein to attribute evils to Castiel that aren’t legit, and I’m about to end that.

Castiel and Dean had tried to appeal to each other, the latter to “stop cos I said so” and the former to “please trust that I know what I’m doing” until they ended up with “I’ll have to do what I have to do to stop you.” and Castiel no longer had diplomatic choices that would still end up with the plan going through to save humanity (including Sam and Dean) from Raphael, his followers, and the Apocalypse. His life and his livelihood was in danger, and as I’ve spoken about before, one of the only in-character things in this season was how hard he fought not to permanently damage or lose the Winchesters in effort to save humanity, to the detriment of his salvation’s success somewhat, so he had to think fast what would keep them out of the game without doing so.

Sam’s Wall was the solution; even THEN he says before he breaks it that he’ll fix him after if they stand down so he can stop Raphael, his immediate response when he comes down from the control of monstrous souls is “I’m sorry about Sam, if I could I’d fix him now.”, and then he actually, literally, literally takes Sam’s pain into himself after saying “I’m sorry, Sam, I should have never done this to you.”

"Just because he was mad at me" is a FAE of epic proportions. It has absolutely nothing to do with how he felt about Dean or Sam at that point and everything to do with the bigger picture of surviving to accomplish saving humanity depending on the excruciatingly determined and resourceful other members of TFW (CAS WOULD KNOW) being out of the game just long enough to not fuck up Castiel himself or his small window of time for the only plan that had any chance of success by delaying him too long to have the souls. Motherfucker was on a time limit, both because Raphael and his angels were after him, Crowley’s and his alliance was starting to deteriorate in a way that would endanger him and the cause and the Winchesters, and because he was on a LITERAL TIME LIMIT. It was temporarily debilitate Sam or kill the Winchesters—something he fought really hard not to do, his “conflict of interest” and his fatal flaw way more than arrogance, and he chose to temporarily debilitate Sam, in a way he fixed as soon as he possibly could do so. (Friendly reminder that right after Castiel became God and thankfully not before, Sam stabbed Castiel even despite his debilitation, so this is really not speculation.)

More to the point, Dean didn’t forgive him immediately by a longshot, and as recently as 9x22 exhibited the fact that he is well aware of the fact that forgiving him was something he didn’t have to do, that he gets to be wary of his friend in power after his past doings; Castiel has worked hard for Dean’s forgiveness, more to the point, and for Sam’s as well. Dean said “you did the best you could at the time” as his first sign of “forgiveness”, which, y’know, is something he himself (and Sam) understand(s) very well, because they are all fucking warriors who are clinging to family with bleeding fingernails even as the world tries to drag them apart, use them against each other, or requires they give it up somehow for the benefit of others outside themselves, including that family.

And yeah, I’m not going into what Yael said about Castiel’s moral character development/majority&minority identity development as a “monster” being slower than that of the Winchesters (but not by much, lbr) considering what we now now about Naomi and the fact that Castiel literally outright said “How am I supposed to know?” and “I was a fool.” and “I really overreached.” and then Dean and Cas met up about manipulative assholes using their good intentions for ill, “So you’re saying we’re both dumbasses?” “I prefer trusting.”, in addition to that whole corny dialogue with Sam about empathy and whatever in 9x11, after Castiel has understood human need for survival in an extremely visceral manner and been beholden to his body’s manifestation of those emotions and/or moral dilemmas, but S9 has really really really really made my point well for me, at the very least, if not the entire three season redemption arc, so just go watch it.

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Anonymous asked:

same anon - people really need stop crediting castiel for saving dean from hell because 1) it was a garrison/army, confirmed by cas in s6 and naomi in s8 and 2) cas was ordered to get dean out to serve as a meatsuit for the apocalypse, the angels wanted dean in hell in the first place to break the first seal. sure cas got part of sam out of hell when he wasn't ordered too, but then he lied and next told dean to leave sam in hell; and cas never apologized for either.

Okay, take out saving Dean from hell. 

But being so compassionate about Dean ? ‘You don’t didn’t think you deserved to be saved’ ? he could have done it in the ugly was as Raphael did. But Cas is different. letting Dean know he has his doubts about heaven as well, knowing that saying that might sabotage heaven’s mission for Dean? 

It was confirmed in text that Cas didn’t know what was heaven intention, that is why he got Dean out of the secret room, risking himself too, after he realized that their intention were (and did the wrong thing of letting Sam out) , and then having little time to process the information and his actions, he came to Dean’s rescue, while risking everything he had. 

Saving Sam was his own idea, he didn’t succeed, but I believe that wasn’t on purpose (why would he?) 

The other things stays. 

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Okay, first, yes, Castiel’s mission was him being employed as a soldier as opposed to some sort of compassionate salvation at first, but he definitely grasped the other, kinder reasons for saving him in a way none of the other angels ever have. “I’d give anything not to have you do this,” etc. “I don’t envy the weight on your shoulders”, “It’s not blame that falls on you, Dean, it’s fate.” etc. etc. etc. etc. Castiel also—this is indisputable canon—had no idea what the fuck was going to happen when he did so, or for twenty episodes afterward. He knew Dean was going to help humanity (as he was told repeatedly cos that was his near entire reason for helping the angels), that he was “different” somehow, but he did not know how. (Also, letting Sam out was after Naomi-esque LITERAL RESETTING OF HIS MIND, literal resetting with the drill akin to S8.)

I want to point one thing out that I think is a large divergence in post-S6 Cas-fans and Cas-haters: how much we accept the characterization, the actions, that are meant to vilify characters who aren’t villains (or offer some sort of “Good” to villains who haven’t changed), as part of who they are instead of fascinating and dramatically necessary flukes, things they wouldn’t do unless they were forced into mental, physical, or situational corners, things that are purposeful and out-of-place that are meant to make you hate Castiel and characters like him so they can kill them off with minimum uproar. People who are already so inclined find this believable and accurate and hate him easily; people who are skeptical or inclined to like characters that aren’t the brothers are like “this was a really shitty terribly written purposeful vilification so they could kill him off” and don’t just swallow the muckraking over Cas’s cohesive character as established, thus far and afterward, they did.

Castiel getting Sam out of LUCIFER’S CAGE without a garrison makes…y’know, no sense????????? None. And it was an afterthought of a plot point, which means that all that “lying” was literally just ret-conning: Misha played it fucking straight because Castiel really didn’t know. As zatnikatel pointed out in an Ask with me last night, why the fuck would the Seals exist if the Cage could be so easily “harrowed”? Why would Zachariah or Raphael or Michael not have just y’know grabbed Lucifer from the Cage for the big archangel fight? And why would Cas—who is shown at least thrice during that season to fucking suck at outright lying—be super goddamn confused about Sam’s soul but determined to find out more, then super concerned about Sam’s soul deteriorating his body, then completely cold about near-KILLING him by breaking the Wall. Why would Cas, who fucking adores Dean and is one of the only characters to validate his feelings 99% of the time, snark at a shit-scared best friend when Dean asks for help with Sam? Soulless Sam’s mistake as a plot point, the whole thing, made no sense for Castiel, and anybody who doesn’t already want to hate him caught that.

That aside, it did happen, of course, it is canon by some definition, but it’s shitty-ass canon they’ve tried their damnedest to undo, by showing Castiel’s debilitatingly depressed remorse and frequent attempts to make amends to both Heaven and his earthly family, his SUICIDAL need to punish himself for it, by showing how hard Cas balks from ever again being a leader (again—way more in line with his character without Crowley’s influence or the literal bodily-control of angels or monstrous SENTIENT souls), how Castiel was convinced enough of his own Badness for a demon to convince him she was trustworthy when she was “working on him”, that they’re somewhat the ~same~ and she feels his thorny pain, how much he loathes Crowley now that he’s out of the “I’ve got the hookup” mental woods, how Castiel is terrified of/morally opposed to ever endangering any human or angel again with his direct or indirect actions—even for a victory or survival. By “nothing is worth losing you” and “you gave up your army for one man”.

Like, fuck off if you think Castiel is the same as that. “Who I was, what I did, is not who I am.” he says outright to Bartholomew. This whole season was a lesson in Castiel’s development into a person who would kill Godstiel rather than endanger humanity/angels if he had the chance to do it over again, because he cares that much about that—which cooperates way, way better with his established characterization in every season, as I’m sure Carver knows. This whole season was a lesson in “sorry for everything in S6-S7” over and over and over again.

Also the last part, THE LAST PART, I’m GOING TO HAVE TO RING THE BULLSHIT ALARM ON THAT. I COUNTED. CASTIEL EXPRESSED REMORSE IN VARIOUS WAYS INCLUDING AT LEAST FIVE OUTRIGHT VERBATIM ‘I’M SORRY’S NINE FUCKING TIMES BEFORE THE END OF S7 ALONE. “He never apologized for either.” BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT. NINE FUCKING TIMES IN THOSE TWO SEASONS ALONE, BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER. He’s apologized to Dean, and Sam, multiple times, and probably angels? Yeah, I think angels too, but please correct me if I’m wrong (though honestly the angels are the ones he owes the least to: killing them in S7 was genocide to PREVENT genocide, and they have abused/tortured him literally since at least Lucifer’s departure—he killed them to survive exerting choice long enough to protect humanity?).

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