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“ I was thinking about a story from the Bible. There was a man. He was travelling from Jerusalem to Jericho… when he was set upon by men of ill intent. They stripped the traveller of his clothes, they beat him, and they left him bleeding in the dirt. And a priest happened by… saw the traveller. But he moved to the other side of the road and continued on. And then a Levite, a religious functionary, he… came to the place, saw the dying traveller. But he too moved to the other side of the road, passed him by. But then came a man from Samaria, a Samaritan, a good man. He saw the traveller bleeding in the road and he stopped to aid him without thinking of the circumstance or the difficulty it might bring him. He did this simply because the traveller was his neighbour. He loved his city and all the people in it.  I always thought that I was the Samaritan in that story.

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Fisk scares the hell out of me because I’m pretty sure if I just met him casually and didn’t know anything about him and just had a chat, I’d probably really like him.

That’s how you villain.

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scififreak35

That’s exactly it. The Fisk childhood ep just killed me because I couldn’t stop wondering who this child could have been had he not had to go through that. A good and innocent soul was destroyed. And the fact that he always sees himself as that child is just ugh. Fisk is the best done villain in the entire MCU. 

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You know one thing I really love about Daredevil?

I love that we had an entire episode completely dedicated to Wilson Fisk’s fucked up childhood. Bullied kid. Abusive dad. Horrible, guilt-inducing outcome. Trauma that understandably scarred this man for life. 

We felt for him. Sympathized (even empathized) with his pain. Were able to see exactly how those childhood experiences shaped his trajectory into adulthood (down to the minutae of his eating habits and sartortial choices- down to tiny character details).

But in the end, his actions weren’t justified. His pain wasn’t an excuse. In the end, Wilson Fisk chose to be a terrible human being who did terrible things to other human beings, and that was hammered home time and time again through the rest of the season. 

That’s what I want to see in villains. Give me backstory. Show me how awful it was. Sell it to me. 

But also show me that you believe that evil actions, destructive actions, when performed free of coercion or duress, are always a choice. 

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I also love how the show doesn’t do that whole “I’m NOTHING like you!” thing between the hero and the villain. We realize, are shown, that Fisk and Murdock are more similar than they are different. Two sides of the same coin. They GET each other. They both have a vision of Hell’s Kitchen and are going to do whatever it takes to achieve it. Claire sees how close Matt is to the darkness. And we see how once close Fisk was to the light. As a child. I love that everything was a hard choice. To be honest. To do good. To not lose yourself. To be better than those you fight.

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Wesley: “They say the past is etched in stone, but it isn’t. It’s smoke trapped in a closed room, swirling changing. Buffeted by the passing of years and wishful thinking. But even though our perception of it changes, one thing remains constant. The past can never be completely erased. It lingers. Like the scent of burning wood.”

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Erudite villains are often depicted as having nominal respect for women — as non-combatants in their mob war, for example — that is eventually revealed to be rooted in casual sexism. Sexism is bad, but to twin it with “evil” characters too often allows a viewer to distance themselves from the idea that they might sometimes be casually sexist — and that the story’s hero might be casually sexist — as much as the viewer distances themselves from the idea that they might be “evil.” Fisk’s attitude and reverence towards Vanessa and Madame Gao is one thing, his clear, intense desire to be respected and trusted in return is another. In moments when he realizes he might lose that respect, his anger is not directed towards them (as his father’s often was), but toward the people who have actually put him in that situation. Daredevil clearly, refreshingly establishes that Fisk doesn’t simply value women, but also their opinion.

Yes, yes. I took notice of this while watching as well. He never lashed out at Madame Gao or Vanessa, even when he would sometimes lash out at random minions. He also clearly very much loved his mother. 

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hey so just letting you guys know!! fisk is coded very autistic in the daredevil show and his actor is autistic as well, so don’t call him a “manchild” or “childish”, etc. cause guess what!! autistic adults are often called children to remove their agency or to disregard them as humans!! so please, call him a jerk, call him evil, call him whatever, but don’t call him a child.

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scififreak35

Interesting. I would love to hear the showrunners or actor speak about this.

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alexander pierce and wilson fisk are the mcu’s scariest, most effective villains not because they can control armies of aliens/robots/whatever, but because they can control people. they are frightening because they are absolutely ruthless in the ways in which they manipulate, intimidate, and flat-out murder people to further their own ends.

they are believable because we can identify with their concern and love for those they care about; they do not exist in a vacuum. they have daughters and grandchildren and girlfriends and mothers, and they care about their loved ones. 

and they are horrifying because they believe that what they are doing is right. they aren’t in the game for the sheer love of being evil; they’re in it because they believe so fervently that their way is the best way–because they conflate the expedience of eliminating “undesirables” with doing the right thing.

pierce and fisk are terrifying and i love it.

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scififreak35

Totally agree with this. Be terrified of those who, to quote Pierce, believe that in order to create a so-called better world means tearing the old one down. One of the most effective scenes in Daredevil, to me, is when Matt and Karen are watching Fisk give a speech on TV. Karen turns away in disgust and says “he almost sounds like he actually believes what he’s saying” and Matt says, with wonder and realization, “I think he actually does.” And remember that Pierce turned down the Nobel Peace prize. He was nice and affable and warm--and preparing to murder 20 million people. 

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