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Something that I noticed in Good Omens season 2, thanks to watching Danny Motta’s reaction video. I spoke about it in the post where I shared the YouTube video but thought this deserves its own post.
In episode 1 of season 2 Maggie decides to bring Nina a gift. A record of Nina Simone.
Nina has trouble accepting the gift and because she doesn’t have a record player refuses it. And also behaves a little awkward about the gesture.
I find this scene interesting because there was what I think was an intended parallel scene between Crowley and Aziraphale that we never got. A scene set when the bookshop first opened, with Gabriel and a couple other archangels infiltrating the bookshop. Crowley walks by on the outside with a box a chocolates mouthing as such to Aziraphale through the window, who has to signal to Crowley to leave and then speaks about him being a wily opponent to the archangels.
Essentially Aziraphale rejects the gift because he’s not in the position to accept it at that time.
I’m sad we never got that scene, because it seems like it would have helped provide further narrative on Aziraphale feeling so trapped by a controlling relationship that he feels like he can’t even accept simple gestures without it being seen as improper or somehow a betrayal of that relationship (Nina/Lindsay coded).
There’s a number of other parallels I’ve noticed that seem to show that Aziraphale and Nina are coded for each other, but I wanted to point this one out specifically because I don’t think anyone else has noticed it yet (that I’ve seen).
What are your thoughts and have you noticed other parallels too? And does anyone have any ideas about the significance of the specific record Maggie tries to gift?
Huh. Interesting.
oh, good catch, interesting insight.
The pub scene is even funnier when you consider that poor Mr. Brown of Brown's World of Carpets has likely had this longtime pash on Aziraphale and, like everyone on Whickber Street, he has no idea who exactly The Ginger Goth With The Old Car is. He knows the prevailing theory is mafia but Mr. Brown of Brown's World of Carpets has seen Ginger Goth hanging around Mrs. Sandwich and her "Sandwich Shop" and also around the bookshop a bit and also some naked guy was also at the bookshop recently, so... what's the likeliest conclusion drawn by Mr. Brown of Brown's World of Carpets? That the old bookseller's lonely and paying for it.
He sees them come into the pub and thinks Aziraphale is classy like that and is taking the sex worker for a drink first or maybe that's part of it-- he's gone the whole 'boyfriend experience' route. Mr. Brown of Brown's World of Carpets sees Aziraphale with that chest stroke of that Thin Dark Duke he's paying and while Mr. Brown (of Brown's World of Carpets, just FYI) isn't here to judge and gets it as he's lonely, too... and while he does think the bookseller picks some hot ones... he wants to give Mr. Fell the real thing. The kind of love you can only get between two middle-aged, still-sorta-closeted queers like they are. He'll be someone the bookseller can talk to and find some genuine chemistry with, Mr. Brown of Brown's World of Carpets will be, so he decides to shoot his shot and knows the bookseller is skittish from their past interactions, so he goes for the meeting option. He'll have to come over to drop off the chairs, of course. Give them an excuse to talk more, alone, when Mr. Fell is not, erm, entertaining.
And poor Mr. Brown--President of the Whickber Street Shopkeepers and Traders Association, Mr. Brown of Brown's World of Carpets is-- fine, upstanding, boring as all holy fuck fella... He's met by Crowley coming over with drinks and a greeting that says this is neither the first time, nor, he doubts, will it be the last that he's had to Husband the bookseller but again, Mr. Brown of Oh, You Know By Now thinks this is a bit, so he's not intimidated.
"I was just absolutely hitting on him for real, unlike you," is what he basically told Crowley when explaining what they were chatting about.
And Crowley's like lol you got him flustered enough to host this meeting. Good on you, Mr. Whoever the Fuck You Are from Whatever Shop You Run. Look at you *go*. 😍 I've got a new favorite human, Aziraphale.
He's all "you astonish me" to Aziraphale, teasing him like you're leading the poor, balding bastard on, angel. I know it's hard for you to reign in your divine sex appeal but you should maybe try. His heart is only human, after all.
Mr. Brown still thinks Crowley's a sex worker though so he doesn't give up and is all like remember, Mr. Fell, our date is right after work on Thursday in a group setting to set you at ease but I'll see you first to set it all up because I want you and I want to make sure you know I'm not just here for the business meeting.
Crowley: That's it-- I'm adopting you, Ballsy Mr. Carpet. I like your style. But you'll never wear my angel down. We've been married for 6,000 years. I am definitely up for saving you from some demons on Thursday though and making it rain on you and literally any fruity, single shop owner in the greater metro area next season. You're on the deck after my shop lesbians. Now piss off, Mr. Barnes. We haven't been to the pub in ages and you're in my seat.
And then one day Mr. Fell is gone, and that odd young woman is running the bookshop, and the Ginger Goth doesn't come to Whickber Street any more.
Mr. Brown, of Brown's World of Carpets, is deeply worried. Did they run off together? Why? It's not like anyone would have minded. But maybe the mafia theory was right and what the hell was up with those people who attacked the shop anyway? Did Mr. Fell's Goth Ginger get him dragged into some kind of Mafia war?
And then Maggie and Nina ask him to call a meeting of the Whickber Street Shopkeepers and Traders Association "to welcome the new manager of Mr. Fell's shop," and of course he will because maybe she knows something or maybe Nina and Maggie know something (they did seem to be getting on well with Mr. Fell just before he disappeared).
So he calls the meeting and everyone shows up and Mr. Brown, of Brown's World of Carpets, looks at Nina and Nina looks at him, and then they all turn to the young lady, Muriel wasn't it?
And Maggie narrows her eyes in a way that means trouble, and she says, "Alright Muriel, we know you're one of them, and you're going to tell us right now what your lot have done to Mr. Fell and Mr. Crowley."
Maggie Service and Nina Sosanya meeting for a coffee! :)
I think Maggie is trying to tell Nina something with this record (the song titles seem to be a little bit relevant). I have thoughts about Maggie's record shop.
These are the only records we see outside the record shop (unless I've missed one somewhere). Shostakovich (1937) Nina Simone (1969) Buddy Holly (1957)
Like Aziraphale's bookshop and Goldstone's magic shop, Maggie's record shop seems to be stuck in the past (which makes sense considering the record shop is attached to the bookshop). You never see other customers in any of these locations in season 2, other than Aziraphale.
The busiest places seem to be Nina's coffee shop, Justine's French restaurant and Mrs. Sandwich's brothel.
Is this record a coded message?
I have a few thoughts on this. The first set of thoughts are about Nina Simone herself. Her name was *not* Nina, to start. Her real name was Eunice Kathleen Waymon and she changed it to get around her family's objection to her playing "the devil's music" (i.e. not just good ol' church songs). She was a vocal figure in the civil rights movement, which in a way could fit with the "liberty" theme of Nina's cafe. This political activism can be seen in the song "Mississippi Goddam", as featured on this record. It's an absolute banger of a song. Here's the version that was put onto "The Best of Nina Simone" - a 1964 recording from Carnegie Hall.
The song "I Loves You, Porgy" is from the opera Porgy and Bess. It was first performed in 1935 and had an African-American cast. It tells the story of Porgy who is trying to rescue Bess from an abusive partner. At a stretch, this could be referencing Nina's relationship with Lindsay. At the end of Porgy and Bess, they are not together. She has gone off to New York with a drug dealer and the story ends with Porgy going off in pursuit of her again.
But the song I think is most relevant here is Sinnerman. This is an African-American traditional spiritual song that tells the story of a sinner on Judgement Day, during the Second Coming, trying to run and hide from the judgement of God. Is there a Sinnerman in Good Omens? Or is this just another nod to the Second Coming?
That's all I have for now! These are just my takes, and I'm sure there are other ways to interpret this too.
This post is dedicated to all those Ninas out there, who are "just enjoying the show."
I have been pondering an problem that had come up for a second time in another meta I'm writing (I left it out of an earlier one for clarity) regarding acknowledgement of identity and faces in S2, but when you keep running into the same road-block, you have to tackle it head on. Then I ran into the exact same problem a third time here, and the beginnings of this meta has sat in my drafts file staring at me for several weeks while I've been doing other things. But finally, finally, the answer has come to me, while being kept awake by a passing thunderstorm at 1.30am.
MRS SANDWICH: You're a good lad. CROWLEY: I'm not actually, either. But thank you.
Let's start with this exchange between Crowley and Mrs Sandwich, after Crowley has led all the Whickber St shopkeepers out of the ball to apparent safety. She calls him a "good lad," and he denies it, but thanks her anyway, and gives her a charming smile. We all know Crowley hates being called 'nice' and the last time he did something 'good' he got dragged down to Hell for punishment, so it seems like an odd thing to happen.
But the thing is, while Mrs Sandwich is complimenting his actions, he is responding about his appearance - that is neither 'good' (i.e. he is a demon) or a male human (i.e. he is an supernatural non-gendered entity.)
At this point you might be going "yeah, yeah, we know, we get that! Move along op..." but this matters, as you soon will see. We should also note that neither Crowley or Aziraphale judge Mrs Sandwich for being a brothel madame (how Aziraphale does not know this when her shop is just over the road from his I will never fathom, but there you go) and Crowley is actually quite charming all-round to his parallel character (prostitution and demons going hand-in-hand - er, not literally. But they went out the door as the vanguard arm-in-arm, though.)
The Metatron turning up at the bookshop in person is the next scene on the cards. Firstly, archangel Michael doesn't recognize him, but Saraqael obviously does.
Now, I know I'm guilty of saying that Michael may have had their memory adjusted at some time, but I'm going to suggest something else at this point. Saraqael knows who this is, because they have just had a fresh reminder from watching the recordings of Gabriel with Crowley and Muriel. And Saraqael is a pretty smart angel, so lets give them some leeway on this one. But for Michael, well, they are in the same situation as Aziraphale. They have only seen the Metatron as giant floating head without a body, so don't associate him with this appearance before them, and also because he has a beard.
Just before you jump on me and say "But he had one in the recordings!" yes, yes, I know. Two things, though, I want to bring to your attention: angels are not supposed to have facial hair,* and he doesn't have any in S1 (I checked!) and he also makes the comment "This calls for much less attention, though." Yeah, well a giant head floating through the streets of Soho would be quite a sight, wouldn't it, even though they had already been treated to the view of Gabriel's royal rear-end. Aziraphale had only met him once before, as a giant floating head in S1E4 who had had to introduce himself, so we could surmise this is Michael's problem as well, even though they were at Gabriel's trial. This is backed up by a tumblr ask/answer from NG as well, where he said "I think because they normally see him as a giant floating head, and not as a little man in a raincoat."
MICHAEL: Um, and who are you? METATRON: For Heaven's sake. And I mean that most literally. You don't know me? Well, uh, what about you? Demon? Do you know me?
Demon. That is what the Metatron chooses to call Crowley in that company, and we know in hindsight that he knows Crowley's name - as does Uriel, and Gabriel. Even Muriel learns it. But they don't use it, at least not in S2.
Even more notable is that the archangels don't deign to him give the respect of using his chosen name at all. He's not not even their enemy at this point - he's beneath their notice altogether, even though they are in the same room. Only Aziraphale seems to acknowledge his existence, instinctively trying to reach out to him as he passes by.
To Nina, people are coffee preferences.
To Mrs Sandwich, they are desires that need servicing.
So then question I had, and that stopped me, was why did both Crowley and Gabriel question Beelzebub about their new face?
It stood out to me because you don't normally make an obvious comment about the change of actor for a character, and to do it twice - !! You can't ignore that. No meta writer should ignore that. There is a trope term for this, actually, called "lampshading," which means to intentionally call attention to an incongruent situation within a story before moving on, but in a show where nothing is an accident, this seems a bit trite to me. Eventually I realized that this was the whole crux of the problem to me - that while we all too readily take things at face value, its not the faces that really influence us, its our internal values.
In the case of Beelzebub, Crowley recognizes the demon, their power, and their identity via the flies without any doubt; he merely comments on the change of exterior appearance. In terms of value, he knows straight away he's dealing with someone dangerous, no matter what they look like. Gabriel, on the other hand, is judging the book by its cover, and because he doesn't recognize the new cover, he needs proof of which demon he's dealing with, or maybe if they are even a demon at all.
"Bravo," says Nina, "Just enjoying the show." She's already seen a few that week, not to mention just in the general flow of life as a shop owner involved with customer service. If you've had any sort of life in a customer service role I'm sure you've got a few stories you could tell of things you've seen or experienced as well! I know I can.
The conversation between Nina and Crowley after Aziraphale walks away is amusing for all the assumptions Nina makes about them based on what she's observed that week, but also because Crowley tells the truth every in every reply to Nina, and yet she still has no idea what he's really saying. But her judgements, based on her experience and values, still manage to drop the proverbial ton of bricks on his head so badly he slinks off to sooth himself with some alcohol while he thinks about it instead of catching up with Aziraphale to continue being the angel's nameless shadow.
This problem with judging people on previous experience and not on who they actually are is everywhere in S2.
It's Ennon treating Aziraphale, an angel he's never met before, as a slut.
It's Elspeth judging Aziraphale on his accent.
It's Mrs H. giving a powerful demon a blistering tongue-lashing because she thinks he's a just simple human black marketeer.
It's Crowley refusing to call Gabriel "Jim" because he believes Gabriel is faking it.
...and so on. These are just a few examples. I'm sure you can spot a few more.
Which brings us back around to the meeting of the supernatural Councils in the bookshop in S2E6 and Crowley's "invisibility" to the other angels and demons gathered there. A demon to the archangels, an arch-traitor to the demons, why would they want to acknowledge him? Once he restores Gabriel, he becomes rank-less and faceless to them because they don't need him any more - its basically an act of celestial racism.
Nina and Maggie don't really know any better, they still think Mr Crowley and Mr Fell are just, well, "partners." OK, so maybe they've been doing some weird shit the last few days manipulating things in the neighbourhood but they're still obviously a couple a group of the two of them in their human eyes - and neither do they seem to care that they seem to be mlm, either. No judgement there.
A number of times I've seen ops say they've been watching GO with family members who are seeing it for the first time, and the family member thinks they are just "close friends." Why? Because they haven't seen S2 and the kiss? Because they haven't verbally said "I love you" to each other? Do they really need to say that to prove their feelings for each other? Is that just your values creeping to the fore?
And where did you get your values from?
Sometimes you need to stop and question why you think what you think. I'm not just talking about religious indoctrination. Some expectations put on us by by society at large can be insidious. Expectations around how gender should act, the life purpose of a gender, your worth to society if you don't meet certain unspoken standards, age-related behaviour, social norms around alcohol consumption, the way they dress, what someone eats, the way they eat it, that you must be seen to be productive, or busy...take your pick for whatever is prevalent around you at the moment and for your culture. Just start by noticing, and being aware.
Yes, it is pointless, because demons and angels all come from the same angelic stock. There was a bit of a disagreement at one point and they split into two groups, and judgemental labels got applied to them. They are both still bureaucratic horrors. Which ever side wins the final battle, humans still lose.
Mortal humans all look the same inside, too, if you take their face and skin away and take the societal labels off them. We forget that about ourselves all the time.
There doesn't have to be any wibbly-wobbly timeline stuff going on to explain things. What ever happened to the concept of Occam's Razor? The simplest answer is usually the correct one. And that was what I realized in the middle of the night - the cliche I had used to title this was the answer. It's about being aware of those ingrained, instinctive, judgmental values that you don't realize you've learnt, and looking past the faces that you meet.
*oh lawdy, I'm giving strength to all of you who want to believe he is a demon then, aren't I? But do demons have facial hair either?
Have a thing for Soft Crowley making friends? Chapter Six of "a manual for living with defeat" is up.
Rated G, 10,496 words, 6/? chapters
EXCERPT
Crowley was feeling tetchy. No, tetchy was solved by gluing coins to the sidewalk or moving traffic cones to create congestion where it wasn’t necessary. This was one of his Bad Days. This was the kind of restless existentialist itch that he’d learned to scratch with Aziraphale’s sardonic wit. He’d show up at the bookshop and slink around, muttering and moving books and making a menace of himself until Aziraphale sighed, closed the shop, and grabbed a bottle of wine. Then they’d argue. Because Crowley needed to know he was worthy of being listened to. That questions wouldn’t always be punished. The angel had a knack for letting him push just enough before swatting him down, not letting him turn maudlin or cruel. But now, Aziraphale was gone.
OR Crowley learns to ask for what he needs from friends. It's a skill.
Okay so we've all talked about the scene where Nina asks Crowley if Aziraphale is his "bit on the side" or whatever and Crowley has that visable fanfiction "oh" moment on his face afterwards. And I know a lot of people think it must have been Crowley realizing that he was in love with Aziraphale, but that's never sat right with me. Crowley is emotionally repressed and oblivious, sure, but he's been down bad for that angel since the beginning. I just can't believe he didn't know it the whole time. That can't have been what he was reacting to. Hell, just the nervous swallow he does at the beginning of that conversation implies that he knows exactly what Nina is about to ask him, meaning he at least already has that idea in his head.
I think what he was reacting to was Nina's last comment, "other people's love lives always seem so much more straightforward than our own" (I'm quoting from memory but I got the gist of it).
Crowley has been in love for a long time by this point. He's also, for that entire time, understood that nothing can be done about it. Up until Armageddon failed, there was no universe where Crowley and Aziraphale could safely be together, and Crowley cares too much about Aziraphale to truly risk his safety (although he does have his selfish moments--that need to know that Aziraphale cares for him too, that he's not completely alone in this partnership). Nothing could change, so there was no point in doing anything about it.
In the few years post Armageddon, though, it seems like QUITE a bit has changed for the two of them. Remember, these are two immortal beings...a few years is milliseconds to them. But in those milliseconds, it seems like Crowley has become a regular establishment in the bookshop, glasses off and all. Aziraphale felt comfortable enough with him to ask to borrow the Bentley, Crowley's prized possession and his literal home. They've gotten COMFY in a very short amount of time, objectively, and I'm sure it felt like big change to Crowley, who knows better than to ask for things he doesn't think he can have.
But Nina's comment. "Other people's love lives always seem so much more straightforward than our own". A direct parallel to exactly how Crowley has been thinking about her and Maggie this whole time--two people who just need a push (romantic awning, anyone?) and everything else would fall into place. Easy. Uncomplicated.
Crowley's "oh" moment isn't that he's in love with Aziraphale. It's that maybe being in love with Aziraphale doesn't have to be complicated.
Other people's love lives DO seem more straightforward than Crowley's own. But if Nina feels that way about him, as sure as he is about her and Maggie...could it be that easy? Could he have that with his angel? I don't think at this point that Crowley has any doubt about whether or not Aziraphale feels something for him (whatever that something may be in Crowley's mind), but after all...Aziraphale asked him to slow down. So he's been taking it slow. Hanging around more. Leaning into his space. Soaking up every second of Az's smiles like a dying man, content with whatever he's given.
But Nina. She thinks they're together already. No doubt in her mind. She thinks it's so straightforward, that of COURSE they're together, two people who look at each other with that much love in their eyes must be, right? And I think that "oh" is Crowley's realization that maybe it IS straightforward. After all, they're them, right? No more Heaven, no more Hell, no actual reason they couldn't just...be together. In that moment, Crowley isn't realizing that he's in love with Aziraphale. He's known he's in love for a very long time. No, that moment was him realizing that, maybe, he can stop pretending not to be, that maybe all they have to do is stop pretending they aren't everything to each other. Does he need to slow down if there's no danger to avoid?
When Nina and Maggie confront him at the end, encourage him to confess...objectively, I don't think Crowley as a character would agree to anything nearly that vulnerable without a LOT more convincing. But he does agree. And you could argue that it's because of Gabe and Beez, sure, but when has Crowley ever used other angels and demons as reasoning behind his choices? No, consistently, Crowley has followed humans every time. Gabe and Beez are nothing but conveniently timed examples. I think that even without G and B running off together, Nina and Maggie could've convinced him after nothing but this "oh" conversation with Nina.
When Crowley is choking out his confession in the final 15 of episode 6, so desperate to make Aziraphale understand...he says "we're a pair, a group, a group of the two of us, and we've spent our existence pretending that we aren't". That's the point he's trying to get across. They can stop pretending, they can stop pretending, please, god, stay here Aziraphale and don't make him keep pretending.
Please, Aziraphale, he's saying. Don't go back. I only just realized that it doesn't have to be complicated. He realized that, maybe, finally, he was allowed.
Oh, he thought, out there on the sidewalk with Nina, there's nothing left but me stopping me from being happy.
Oh, he thought, while Nina and Maggie urged him to communicate, the couple that so perfectly mirrored his own wants, I could tell him how I feel.
Oh, he thought, as Aziraphale looked at him with excited eyes and explained that he wanted them both to go back to Heaven, that Crowley could become an angel again, that they could go right back to working for the very thing that had been keeping them apart for thousands of years. Oh, oh god. I thought it was over. I thought we were free. I thought that, finally, maybe, it could be easy. Maybe we can stop pretending.
And he kissed him. Because fuck, just like with Nina and Maggie, he thought it could finally be easy, but then communicating didn't work and nothing was easy and all he had left was one fabulous kiss and vavoom and he was desperate and off script and so, so scared and then he was alone in the Bentley, driving away from the bookshop, completely alone.
Maybe Crowley should've kept pretending. It would've hurt less.
Nina: Why are Aziraphale and Crowley sitting with their backs to each other?
Maggie: They had a fight.
Nina: Then why are they holding hands?
Maggie: They like holding hands. They get sad when they fight.
What if the people who live and work on Whickber Street are the souls of those that Aziraphale and Crowley have met in their past? Nina and Maggie as Wee Morag and Elspeth? Mutt by the magician who died in 1941 because he was eaten by zombies. Did he leave someone behind?
Maggie: And you're quite right. It's not your job to sort out my doomed love life.
Except Aziraphale wants to make it happen because his actions in 1827 got Wee Morag killed. Maggie has a shop attached to Aziraphale's shop (he's the one who suggested Elspeth open a bookshop, but he owns a bookshop and needs someone to keep track of his records).
Nina owns a coffee shop. It is always busy and it's blue and green, just like the planet. Give Me Coffee or Give Me Death. Nina is in a terrible relationship though, with this mysterious Lindsey, finally manages to break free, and then all Hell breaks loose.
Maggie notices Nina. She falls in love with Nina. She finally finds the courage to introduce herself to Nina, gets alone time with Nina, only to find out Nina's in a relationship with an asshole.
What if they have the souls of Elspeth and Wee Morag? What if Maggie is Elspeth and this Ball he is throwing for Nina and Maggie is him trying to reunite the souls of Wee Morag and Elspeth? And also using that as an excuse to dance with Crowley.
What if Aziraphale and Crowley turned Whickber Street into a home for lost souls looking for a place to be happy?
It would make sense that Jim is drawn there because he is now a lost soul.
But Crowley lives on the outskirts because he's trying to guard the life he and Aziraphale carved out together. He isn't going to move into the bookshop because he is always on the lookout while Aziraphale handles things on Whickber Street. I think Aziraphale already believes that Crowley lives at the bookshop though because he gets plenty of use out of it too. He just doesn't sleep there. Or else he's telling Crowley that the bookshop is his home too and he would love for him to move in.
So at the end, Crowley has realized he's ready to live with Aziraphale, but Aziraphale is now the one who is moving out and watching the perimeter. The fight in the bookshop made him realize the danger was much worse than he initially thought. Demons didn't just invade the bookshop, they invaded the safe space that Aziraphale and Crowley had carved out for themselves and the shopkeepers of Whickber Street.
Aziraphale changed the shopkeepers and their families into clothes fit for a ball and had them dancing together while ensuring their protection from the outside. Maggie and Nina were the ones who stepped up to help him so he wouldn't have to fight alone. Nina stays because Maggie stays. Maggie stays because she cares about Aziraphale, and Aziraphale has been nothing but kind to her. They help him defend the formerly Naked Man Friend, Jim.
Maybe Whickber Street is the home of second chances.
what an interesting thought, this would make a lovely fic!
Part 1 l Part 2 l Part 3 l Part 4 l Part 5 This is major spoilers for season 3 territory. You have been warned. I'm also going to split this into parts because wow, I have so many ✨Clues✨! My peeps, before I show you the prestige, we need to discuss Maggie. Maggie is SO WEIRD.
Right up top we get her telling us this. Who loves something since they were a baby? Since you were a kid sure, but how can you remember loving something since you were a baby?
This one's fun. The double meaning here is 1) I was a huge uptight nerd so I never went to parties and/or 2) I wasn't a human teenager so I never got to go to your earth parties. But check out when Nina and Maggie *first* meet in her coffee shop. We spend a lot of time in this scene, because it's framed as a meet cute, but it's also full of weird dialogue.
So i'm not a writer, someone feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but Maggie is remembered by Nina AS A COFFEE. She IS a skinny latte. This works on two levels again. 1) You're not important enough to me to remember you as a person, just as an order. 2) You do not fit into my memory of people I know, but subconsciously I remember you as NOT a regular human.
And then again when she leaves the shop, Nina isn't paying attention and just sort of subconsciously replies:
Again, two meanings. Maggie is unimportant to her, Maggie is also a *coffee*.
Which is weird, because as far as I can tell Maggie never drinks a coffee, or anything for that matter. Sure she orders stuff in the shop, and is offered food and alcohol, but we never see her actually drink or eat any of it. She stirs the tea but never takes a sip.
So what IS Maggie then? Many people have pointed out that Maggie and Nina are a coffeeshop AU of our heroes. Their visual presentation seems to be screaming Nina = Crowley! and Maggie = Aziraphale! And they *work* on opposite sides of the street and everything! So is Maggie just a stand-in for Aziraphale then, to make the parable work? Cool, then what's the parable?
Uh oh. What possible AU fiction ends up with the main love interests breaking up with their toxic ex, dancing in a ball and fighting demons together and then... just not ending up together? An AU written by kind of a bad writer who wants to show the two lovebirds he's trying to separate that it will never work. Oh hey look The Metatron is here:
Now, I think the same guy that has been adding bits and pieces in the past would have no problem adding stuff and/or people in the present to make a point. Maggie also seems to be pretty sure about quite a lot of things that I wouldn't be sure about, given the context.
Maggie's knows it's not going to do any good, but she has to tell them anyway? Tell them what, that Nina and Maggie talked it out and never ended up together? Wow, what a great message. Thanks Maggie. Maggie isn't just a downer of an example though, remember she's also A COFFEE! Shoved in Aziraphael's and Crowley's faces, asking them to take it and help her since the beginning.
There's a concept in magic tricks called a force, where it seems like someone has free will ; to put a card anywhere in a deck, or pick a number, or volunteer, but actually the outcome has been chosen for them by the magician for the trick to work. The actual trick is about getting the person to think they've freely chosen to participate in the trick, not the act of revealing the card. The real trick was never making Maggie and Nina try to fall in love, it was getting Aziraphael to think he had freely chosen to help Maggie get this whole thing going. And if we know one thing about Aziraphael, it's that he's actually terrible at magic. Aziraphael has been primed to take the coffee in S2E6, because he's been taking the coffee the whole season. Ready for the prestige reveal after the force? We're going right to The Metatron in Part 4.
Here. I fixed it. Azi's face dancing to the music too. The old wrong version of the subtitles because there's a lot of unwilling but unavoidable piracy going on.
wow, it really does fit perfectly! that's got to be on purpose, like in the editing room, they cut everything together to the song, and then changed most of it to the soundtrack music. wow.
Headcanon: Muriel accidentally saw the last 10 minutes of episode 6 through the window))
Bonus:
everyone come look at this fucking AITA post i just saw
they found out
Are Nina and Meggie other characters or the same characters as the nuns in season 1? Meaning, they are eternal or sumthin because they wouldn't have aged in 11+ years..
A little hopeful moment which I missed on the first watch, but which I think is so important. Nina and Maggie come to have their talk with Crowley. Now, we all know that Crowley is Maggie—yes, sure, Nina is sarcastic and suave and cool and calls Maggie angel—but it’s obvious that Crowley is Maggie and Nina is Aziraphale. Crowley even admits it himself in the very beginning of this conversation when he tries to justify meddling to get Maggie and Nina together:
“Nina needed rescuing.” Yeah, you know who else always “needs rescuing”? Anyway, moving on.
Nina says she just got out of a relationship and it would be a disaster to get into another one right away. And then this happens:
Nina says she hopes Maggie will still be around, but she knows she can’t ask Maggie to just wait while she figures out her own baggage. There's no guarantee. And then Maggie interjects—
The parallel between Maggie/Nina and Crowley/Aziraphale is so intentional as to feel heavy handed. So what does it mean that we get this exchange in at this particular moment in the script—buried within the conversation which is the catalyst for Crowley confessing his feelings, occurring in the lull immediately before the spectacular dissolution of everything the first two seasons were building towards?
“We could have been us,” Crowley says. Crowley walks out of the bookshop. Crowley turns off their song in his car. Whatever tentative blooming thing has been building between him and Aziraphale for six thousand years appears to be very clearly over. Aziraphale presses the kiss to his lips and knows there is no guarantee they will ever have a chance to be together. There's no guarantee that Crowley will ever want to forgive him, that he will keep on waiting for him.
But.
There is.
I agree. I would go so far as to say that Aziraphale and Nina are both struggling with toxic relationships that they are trying to get over before they can fully be happy. Nina’s emotionally abusive ex-partner and heaven’s manipulative bureaucracy function similarly to keep them each trapped in a dynamic that is unhealthy. The only difference is that Nina’s ex-partner let her go. Aziraphale will have to find the strength to walk away from his toxic relationship to find happiness, because Heaven isn’t going to let him go willingly again.
mmhmm, although if needed for s3, there is nothing stopping nina's ex from trying to continue to control her. i wonder if we will see maggie and nina again, continuing as mirrors for crowley and aziraphale.
Heyyyyyy I’d really like to talk more about the ball, who’s with me.
Because for all its glitter, the ball is dark. No, seriously, it’s dark. It’s eerie, it’s disturbing, and the narrative doesn’t shy away from showing us just how much.
As in a classic fairytale, mortals are being spirited away into another realm to dance through the night. Here, however, we see exactly who is orchestrating the dance, and why.
And we empathize with him, but watching Aziraphale has never been so painful or so unsettling.
Nina arrives distraught and is immediately hit with the realization that she doesn’t feel distraught, even though she knows she should be feeling it. She confronts Aziraphale and he just tells her: oh yes! :) no long faces tonight! And she is disturbed throughout the ball, thinks she is losing her mind, questions and fights the enchantment… but from time to time, the enchantment still takes hold.
And just—
Aziraphale. Aziraphale, you do know that manipulating people is wrong, don’t you? You… do know that? And yes, of course, neither Crowley’s nor Aziraphale’s approach to morality is human. They are eldritch, they are otherworldly. It was Crowley who changed the paintball guns into real guns in S1, though of course, the humans still had choice in using them.
But the ball is still different.
We’ve never seen Aziraphale do anything quite so disturbing before, or go so obviously deep into his own delusion. There are moments during these scenes when even Crowley, permanently frustrated, is very nearly disturbed. (“Angel! What are you doing?” or “Making it rain is one thing, but a BALL?”)
I fully think that by that point in the story, Aziraphale is not all right. He is in an anxiety spiral, denying reality fiercely, obstinately, disastrously, not listening to any of Crowley’s hissed warnings. Yes, yes, he is giddy, he is in love. It’s so very important for him that everything go RIGHT this night, the night he gets to dance with Crowley. Is he even aware of everything he is conjuring up, of the enchantment he has woven? The humans who step through the doors of the bookshop change: their clothing, their mood, their speech patterns… By this point, is Aziraphale doing this consciously at all? Or is reality conforming to his expectations, forcing everyone into a replica of the nineteenth century while Aziraphale himself, distracted and smitten, works himself up to inviting Crowley to dance?
In the first few episodes, as fear and danger grow, as Aziraphale is faced with the danger specifically to Crowley (I don’t see why he would risk his existence for you, Shax tells him in the car), Aziraphale only denies reality all the more fiercely, only holds on to his plans tighter, only puts more force into them and exerts more control (really, rather like the archangels with their Great Plan).
And the ball, beautiful and otherworldly and eerie as it is, is also a dire warning.
In the morning, it will be Crowley, not Aziraphale, who will get told off for manipulating Nina and Maggie. Aziraphale won’t reflect on this. He won’t be forced to reflect, and Metatron will manipulate him in turn.
There is a plan to follow. The show must go on.
GOD the ball is so dark.
It truly is and I love that.
Did anyone else notice The Red Shoes hanging on the inside of the door of the coffee shop? Foreshadowing/fairytale easter egg, methinks?
Ooooo @valquainton THIS IS SUCH A NEAT OBSERVATION
I’m not sure it relates to the ball directly BUT I think this may be a nod to yet another Powell and Pressburger film, The Red Shoes!