“Inadmissible” (‘Sherlock’)

Moffat more or less told us, through the Culverton storyline in TLD, what’s going to happen, didn’t he?

The “inadmissible” part is particularly interesting!

(x)

Since Culverton in TLD made his ‘confession’ by Sherlock’s bedside, doesn’t that mean that John might make his (love) confession sitting by Sherlock’s bedside, too? Possibly while Sherlock is unconscious?

And afterwards everyone (the audience of this show) will treat this confession like it didn’t count (=was inadmissible). 

The audience, and ESPECIALLY those fans who weren’t too keen on a gay reading of the show to begin with, will claim that, “John didn’t mean it like that. It’s just bro-love. He just said, ‘I love you,’ because Sherlock was comatose and John felt desperate and overwhelmed by what was going on. There’s nothing gay about it. It doesn’t count as an actual love confession. This ‘love’ is just a bromance. This confession is ‘inadmissible’.” 

It’s possible that even Sherlock himself, who somehow will have heard that ‘confession’ despite being in a coma, that even Sherlock will keep telling himself that John’s confession ‘doesn’t count’ (=is inadmissible). Not for long, though…:)

But Moffat clearly told us that all of that noise and chatter by the usual suspects won’t matter. What will count is that, in the end, John won’t be able to stop himself from confessing over and over again.

That’s a nice explanation for Moffat’s choice of the word (‘inadmissible’) here, right?

This way we would, maybe, FIRST get a (subtle, half-hidden) love confession in one episode. And then get the real deal in a later episode. And in between those two, millions of viewers (including every stupid journalist ever) would explode and fall all over themselves trying to prove that that first confession was totally ‘inadmissible’, ie, didn’t point to John being in love. And then…baaam…the second one would happen.

Well, a guy can wish, can’t he?

@ebaeschnbliah @sarahthecoat @gosherlocked @possiblyimbiassed @raggedyblue @tjlcisthenewsexy @fellshish @88thparallel

Wonderful to hear from you again, @sagestreet  And I rally love your interpretation of ‘inadmissible’. The whole story feels extremely open, feels like something big is missing, alle the relevant mirrors point in the direction of a confession too. And after so many words ‘unspoken’ I would love to hear a lot of repetitions. The more, the better! :)))

@sherlockshadow

Thank you.:)

Aaand I’ve just remembered my own meta (x) from ages ago (*slaps self*) about Moriarty’s, “Did you miss me?” shtick.

And now I’m thinking that maybe John’s confession by Sherlock’s bedside won’t be an, “I love you.” 

Maybe it is that same, “Did you miss me?” line. (Possibly followed by a later admission of “Miss you,” etc.) 

I have argued before (in the aforementioned meta) that Moriarty’s, “Did you miss me?” is actually John’s voice speaking to a comatose Sherlock and tried to explain why it would make sense for Sherlock to imagine it’s Moriarty’s face saying this.

Maybe that, “Did you miss me?” line IS the bedside confession…I don’t know.

Oh, yes! @sagestreet  I highly agree and those ‘did you miss me’ / ‘miss you’ lines make all the sense in the world to me. They run throughout the whole story. Just like ‘I’m you’ and ‘you are me’. If Jim appears like the monstous hound from hell in THOB, there should be a simple dog hiding behind that hound … most likely RedBeard. RedBeard though is also closely connected to the well, to Eurus, to Victor and to John. RedBeard seems to be the centre point of the story. RedBeard connects all the main characters. John or James, James or John …. what if it shouldn’t be ‘or’ but ‘and’? If John represents friendship and love …  and Jim repressents sex ….. wouldn’t it be only logical that finally both characters have to melt into one as basis for a full-blown romantic and sexuell relationship? 

I don’t know either …. but I wonder …. :)

Oh yes neither saint nor sinner, because there is no sin.

And yes also for MISS ME, and “the bed side’s confession”, like a foreword for a properly love confession.

@sagestreet ​ @ebaeschnbliah

Interesting! Yes, I agree that ‘Did you miss me?’ does make sense as something John might say to a comatose Sherlock - at least if it’s said in a context that has to do with the two years when Sherlock was away pretending to be dead. As I tried to explain in my earlier answer to this post, I think John would only ‘confess’ things to Sherlock (perhaps even when the latter was comatose) that he would be able to kind of take back if needed; he would make his own confession ‘inadmissible’, in order to not risk having to come out without being absolutely sure about Sherlock’s true feelings for him. So even if it’s implying things, the question ‘Did you miss me?’ is still less compromising than openly admitting ‘I love you’. This is the little game John and Sherlock have been playing with each other for years, which is so devastating for their relationship, and I think Sherlock’s repression of emotions is at the root of it. Therefore, I believe, Sherlock is the one who will have to make a clear ‘i love you’ confession first. 

But it does seem as if Sherlock has picked up on the ‘miss me’ issue already in these scenes in HLV and TAB: 

Maybe he hears John say it with his subconscious, and turns the words around in his head into something else (like @sagestreet says in that meta)? 

@ebaeschnbliah @sarahthecoat @gosherlocked @raggedyblue @tjlcisthenewsexy @fellshish @88thparallel @sagestreet 

wow, yeah. And @ebaeschnbliah that “melting into one” idea has been on my mind for years too. Back when tptb were saying “expect the unexpected” about s4, i thought, what hasn’t been done in fic or meta? What if john & sherlock have to team up with “mary” and jim, to defeat some uber-villain? (not mycroft, too expected, try frank hudson)(oh, and then frank hudson got teased in that hangman pic) so anyway, since we have been reading the show metaphorically, it seems to be more and more about personal integration. To the point where sometimes it feels like, not only do “mary” and jim need to be incorporated into sherlock and john, but john and sherlock are starting to feel like different aspects of one being. OR maybe i have just been down this rabbit hole for too long!

and while we’re on “miss me”, isn’t that on one of “mary"s dvds as well? So now we have all four of them connected by that phrase.

Yes, @sarahthecoat  There’s a ‘miss me’ DVD in every single episode of S4. The one in TST is addressed to Sherlock. It’s the same DVD John finds near the end of TLD. In TFP another DVD is addressed to John. 

And lets not forget Jim’s message from the S4 DVD

And of course, Jim’s insistent voice over the speakers in Sherrinford

Missing …. semms to be a main theme of the story  … 

@gosherlocked @possiblyimbiassed @raggedyblue @sagestreet @sherlockshadow

@ebaeschnbliah, @possiblyimbiassed. @sarahthecoat, @raggedyblue, @sagestreet. @sherlockshadow:

Thank you for your inspiring thoughts. And I would go even further and wonder if the “Miss me/you” phrase in all its variations could be a sort of gauge for the reality of the story told. I know there are lots of different starting points for an EMP/coma, but HLV is one of them. And HLV is also the episode when this phrase is spoken for the first time in the show, i.e. in Jim’s video message. 

Btw, when checking the transcript I discovered that “miss you” is used on one other occasion - by “E” when texting John in the night. Well then. ;) 

That’s some interesting food for thought, @sarahthecoat, @ebaeschnbliah and @gosherlocked! Makes me wonder exactly why there are at least five different characters talking about others ‘missing’ them? Something here doesn’t make sense - let’s poke it with a stick! :)  The first character who brings it up is John in HLV, but his words don’t make much sense to me:

JOHN: Hey, what happened to my chair? SHERLOCK: It was blocking my view to the kitchen. JOHN:  Well,  it’s good to be missed. SHERLOCK: Well, you were gone. I saw an opportunity. JOHN: No, you saw the kitchen.

(Sorry about lengthy additions, I’m putting this one under the cut)

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@possiblyimbiassed Very interesting, that piece of the  ‘locked room mystery’ is so eloquent and I missed it. Even the repetition of murders disguised as suicides is too obvious not to be seen (once someone show it to you, so thank you). And returning to repeated scenarios, we never saw John, utter words of love, or tell Sherlock that he misses him, but we have seen John murmuring a brave speech in front of a grave. Empty. The coma is a bit like a living death, the exact opposite of an empty grave. A mirror.

@sagestreet @sherlockshadow @sarahthecoat @ebaeschnbliah @gosherlocked

eeee!!! YES, and agree with @possiblyimbiassed comment, sherlock appears to have heard the confession in TRF.

“Inadmissible” (‘Sherlock’)

Moffat more or less told us, through the Culverton storyline in TLD, what’s going to happen, didn’t he?

The “inadmissible” part is particularly interesting!

(x)

Since Culverton in TLD made his ‘confession’ by Sherlock’s bedside, doesn’t that mean that John might make his (love) confession sitting by Sherlock’s bedside, too? Possibly while Sherlock is unconscious?

And afterwards everyone (the audience of this show) will treat this confession like it didn’t count (=was inadmissible). 

The audience, and ESPECIALLY those fans who weren’t too keen on a gay reading of the show to begin with, will claim that, “John didn’t mean it like that. It’s just bro-love. He just said, ‘I love you,’ because Sherlock was comatose and John felt desperate and overwhelmed by what was going on. There’s nothing gay about it. It doesn’t count as an actual love confession. This ‘love’ is just a bromance. This confession is ‘inadmissible’.” 

It’s possible that even Sherlock himself, who somehow will have heard that ‘confession’ despite being in a coma, that even Sherlock will keep telling himself that John’s confession ‘doesn’t count’ (=is inadmissible). Not for long, though…:)

But Moffat clearly told us that all of that noise and chatter by the usual suspects won’t matter. What will count is that, in the end, John won’t be able to stop himself from confessing over and over again.

That’s a nice explanation for Moffat’s choice of the word (‘inadmissible’) here, right?

This way we would, maybe, FIRST get a (subtle, half-hidden) love confession in one episode. And then get the real deal in a later episode. And in between those two, millions of viewers (including every stupid journalist ever) would explode and fall all over themselves trying to prove that that first confession was totally ‘inadmissible’, ie, didn’t point to John being in love. And then…baaam…the second one would happen.

Well, a guy can wish, can’t he?

@ebaeschnbliah @sarahthecoat @gosherlocked @possiblyimbiassed @raggedyblue @tjlcisthenewsexy @fellshish @88thparallel

Wonderful to hear from you again, @sagestreet  And I rally love your interpretation of ‘inadmissible’. The whole story feels extremely open, feels like something big is missing, alle the relevant mirrors point in the direction of a confession too. And after so many words ‘unspoken’ I would love to hear a lot of repetitions. The more, the better! :)))

@sherlockshadow

Thank you.:)

Aaand I’ve just remembered my own meta (x) from ages ago (*slaps self*) about Moriarty’s, “Did you miss me?” shtick.

And now I’m thinking that maybe John’s confession by Sherlock’s bedside won’t be an, “I love you.” 

Maybe it is that same, “Did you miss me?” line. (Possibly followed by a later admission of “Miss you,” etc.) 

I have argued before (in the aforementioned meta) that Moriarty’s, “Did you miss me?” is actually John’s voice speaking to a comatose Sherlock and tried to explain why it would make sense for Sherlock to imagine it’s Moriarty’s face saying this.

Maybe that, “Did you miss me?” line IS the bedside confession…I don’t know.

Oh, yes! @sagestreet  I highly agree and those ‘did you miss me’ / ‘miss you’ lines make all the sense in the world to me. They run throughout the whole story. Just like ‘I’m you’ and ‘you are me’. If Jim appears like the monstous hound from hell in THOB, there should be a simple dog hiding behind that hound … most likely RedBeard. RedBeard though is also closely connected to the well, to Eurus, to Victor and to John. RedBeard seems to be the centre point of the story. RedBeard connects all the main characters. John or James, James or John …. what if it shouldn’t be ‘or’ but ‘and’? If John represents friendship and love …  and Jim repressents sex ….. wouldn’t it be only logical that finally both characters have to melt into one as basis for a full-blown romantic and sexuell relationship? 

I don’t know either …. but I wonder …. :)

Oh yes neither saint nor sinner, because there is no sin.

And yes also for MISS ME, and “the bed side’s confession”, like a foreword for a properly love confession.

@sagestreet ​ @ebaeschnbliah

Interesting! Yes, I agree that ‘Did you miss me?’ does make sense as something John might say to a comatose Sherlock - at least if it’s said in a context that has to do with the two years when Sherlock was away pretending to be dead. As I tried to explain in my earlier answer to this post, I think John would only ‘confess’ things to Sherlock (perhaps even when the latter was comatose) that he would be able to kind of take back if needed; he would make his own confession ‘inadmissible’, in order to not risk having to come out without being absolutely sure about Sherlock’s true feelings for him. So even if it’s implying things, the question ‘Did you miss me?’ is still less compromising than openly admitting ‘I love you’. This is the little game John and Sherlock have been playing with each other for years, which is so devastating for their relationship, and I think Sherlock’s repression of emotions is at the root of it. Therefore, I believe, Sherlock is the one who will have to make a clear ‘i love you’ confession first. 

But it does seem as if Sherlock has picked up on the ‘miss me’ issue already in these scenes in HLV and TAB: 

Maybe he hears John say it with his subconscious, and turns the words around in his head into something else (like @sagestreet says in that meta)? 

@ebaeschnbliah @sarahthecoat @gosherlocked @raggedyblue @tjlcisthenewsexy @fellshish @88thparallel @sagestreet 

wow, yeah. And @ebaeschnbliah that “melting into one” idea has been on my mind for years too. Back when tptb were saying “expect the unexpected” about s4, i thought, what hasn’t been done in fic or meta? What if john & sherlock have to team up with “mary” and jim, to defeat some uber-villain? (not mycroft, too expected, try frank hudson)(oh, and then frank hudson got teased in that hangman pic) so anyway, since we have been reading the show metaphorically, it seems to be more and more about personal integration. To the point where sometimes it feels like, not only do “mary” and jim need to be incorporated into sherlock and john, but john and sherlock are starting to feel like different aspects of one being. OR maybe i have just been down this rabbit hole for too long!

and while we’re on “miss me”, isn’t that on one of “mary"s dvds as well? So now we have all four of them connected by that phrase.

Yes, @sarahthecoat  There’s a ‘miss me’ DVD in every single episode of S4. The one in TST is addressed to Sherlock. It’s the same DVD John finds near the end of TLD. In TFP another DVD is addressed to John. 

And lets not forget Jim’s message from the S4 DVD

And of course, Jim’s insistent voice over the speakers in Sherrinford

Missing …. semms to be a main theme of the story  … 

@gosherlocked @possiblyimbiassed @raggedyblue @sagestreet @sherlockshadow

@ebaeschnbliah, @possiblyimbiassed. @sarahthecoat, @raggedyblue, @sagestreet. @sherlockshadow:

Thank you for your inspiring thoughts. And I would go even further and wonder if the “Miss me/you” phrase in all its variations could be a sort of gauge for the reality of the story told. I know there are lots of different starting points for an EMP/coma, but HLV is one of them. And HLV is also the episode when this phrase is spoken for the first time in the show, i.e. in Jim’s video message. 

Btw, when checking the transcript I discovered that “miss you” is used on one other occasion - by “E” when texting John in the night. Well then. ;) 

That’s some interesting food for thought, @sarahthecoat, @ebaeschnbliah and @gosherlocked! Makes me wonder exactly why there are at least five different characters talking about others ‘missing’ them? Something here doesn’t make sense - let’s poke it with a stick! :)  The first character who brings it up is John in HLV, but his words don’t make much sense to me:

JOHN: Hey, what happened to my chair? SHERLOCK: It was blocking my view to the kitchen. JOHN:  Well,  it’s good to be missed. SHERLOCK: Well, you were gone. I saw an opportunity. JOHN: No, you saw the kitchen.

(Sorry about lengthy additions, I’m putting this one under the cut)

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