Magda is my choice for her bio mother but marya is her mom that raised her and was her mom in everything other than blood. I also rlly love bova and need her to make a comeback. MARVEL GIVE THE TWINS THEIR COW MOM BACK!!

Let's see... tell me something about the whole Pietro and Wanda family tree thing... but it doesn't help much that Pietro is the same as Magneto and Wanda is the same as Magda (Magneto's wife.)

I really need a holy spirit from the writers who hires Marvel and is encouraged to fix this matter

"Pietro's had a bad few years bc his dad turned out to not be his dad and he died before they could make up :(((" last time Pietro saw Magneto he beat him into a coma

It was so hilarious, if Erik actually ever tried to "reconcile" with Pietro he would probably laugh and then close the door in his face without a single word.

I love the Magnet Fam and 100% think that the retcon in 2015 was a terrible mistake. What makes this family so interesting and tragic is what a mess they are and how much Magneto's intial abuse of the twins and neglect of Lorna when he mourned his wife and daughter was an ironic twist of fate or how all the kids are at their worst around Mangeto and create their own catastrophic problems.

Removing the biological link especially with the twins just doesn't work cause what ties them to him other than that? No more mutants happened because (while Magneto is by no means the soul person at fault for House of M) he gave up and was willing to let the Avengers murder his daughter and then in the end murdered his son.

It's interesting to see marvel try to backtrack/have it's cake and eat it to with the "choosen family angle" but Magneto only felt sorry for what he put the twins through in his early days of villainy because they were his kids and realistically why would the twins want to interact with someone who is the cause of loads of their trauma ( I say this as a Magneto fan)

This is exactly why I hate how they're handling the Magnet family recently, instead of just undoing the retcon (it wouldn't be the first time of comics undoing a mistake years later) they want to go with this happy adoptive family that makes zero sense, ignores past history and was never why people liked these characters in the first place. We liked how painful, tragic and messy they all were, we liked the drama and the interesting exploration around trauma and how your family defines you or not, now that's all gone.

Erik is a mess, he's been a terrible father to all his children, he abused Pietro more because they interacted more but the way both fandom and canon ignore the bullshit he pulled with Wanda and Lorna really annoys me.

And while I do believe Wanda would have been willing to build a positive relationship with Erik, it's fucking annoying how we never saw that getting built, we just saw them being loving father and daughters without any reasoning behind it.

Meanwhile the stupid and ridiculous retcon is still canon, when it makes no sense, and it forcibly pushes Pietro out of the picture, because there's no way in Heaven or Hell that they could pull the "adoptive family" bs with Pietro and Magneto.

yeah they had to cut Pietro entirely in that last scene from trial of Mangneto (a disaster of a comic btw) which makes the least logical sense - that scene could have been of the two of them.

The Found family link can work with Lorna but not with Magneto. Even then Lorna has only really had meaningful interactions with Pietro prior to the retcon - that issue of all new X factor where Wanda and her spend time together is probably the first one where the sisters actually just talk to each other. I do love that there is an effort to reconcile the sisters but where is Pietro! Let's have the tree of them bond over the trauma of Magneto's legacy!

I think Magneto wanting to make amends with his kids is in character but the way writer's brush aside what he put all his kids through for some BS found family angle just doesn't work. I find it hard to accept Wanda (or Lorna post all new X factor) would ever forgive Magneto murdering her brother for a "found family"

Marvel knows the retcon was extremely unpopular...weve seen it ignored completely in some comics set out in alternate continuities published by Marvel itself (also they and Disney are doing a sequel to the 90s X men series which notebly had an episode focused on Magneto's relationship with the twins- given the popularity of this family I would expect that angle to come back at some point should the show continue to be successful). They'd honestly get more respect if they just undo it at this point and I still think there is endless potential for interesting stories from this family - so long as writers remember that this family is Messy.

I mean this is a mutant, Romani/Jewish family with the father being a holocaust survivor there are some really profound stories to be told her- how do these experiences impact the minimoffs and Luna (do Wanda and Pietro try brake the cycle of generational trauma in some ways but unwittingly perpetuate them in others)

I do agree with some other users on this site that the retcon has lead to some positive changes - stories for Wanda and Pietro allowing them to not just be Magneto's kids and tales of how their experiences as Romani people impacted them (though you can attribute it to mainly MCU backlash as well) and an actual more focused effort to develop the parent child relationship between Magneto and Lorna. However these things can still be done if with them as the messy family they are. It's why they as a family unit are so popular!

Marvel trying to paint Erik as a good dad is a joke and quite frankly makes him less interesting. He's loved because he is a morally complex character (all of them are to varying degrees - it's possible to love and hate people at the same time. Love them but not like them as a person - familial love can be complicated - it's just a shame writers favour writing romantic love over that)

To conclude the chosen family angle is stupid. If they want to undo the retcon they should just undo the retcon and embrace this family being a dramatic mess.

Everything you said is so true! I love finding people with good opinions.

I totally agree that the idea of "blood doesn't matter, I love you as family regardless" would have worked perfectly with Pietro and Lorna, and I'm so mad they haven't talked a single time since the retcon, not even during Trial of Magneto, when Wanda fucking died! Like, that hug with Northstar was nice but why didn't we get Lorna and Pietro trying to comfort each other too? They've been friends/teammates for years, even before knowing they were siblings, their bond is so genuine.

Lorna and Wanda is another case of an interesting relationship being rushed into fluffy family territory with not much build up for that, we only had one single issue in ANXF, that's not enough.

The fact that Marvel and fandom alike keep ignoring the very real fact that Magneto KILLED Pietro will never not annoy me.

God, this family has tons of potential for storylines, the generational trauma and how it affects Erik, Pietro and Wanda versus how it affects Tommy, Billy and Luna. Also the possibility of the kids reconnecting with their roma heritage and through that seeing more about how much it means for Pietro and Wanda, obviously these stories should be handled by roma writers. I would also love a comic dedicated to Erik talking to his children about Jewish culture and his family, his dad, mom and sister, I think it would be a perfect first step into possibly trying to fix his broken relationship with Pietro, it would humanize him. And I would kill for a story where Erik talks to the twins about Magda, I have this headcanon that while Wanda is more similar physically, Pietro has more of her mannerisms.

As a Pietro fan, checking what has happened with the character since the retcon, I can't really see much improvement for him beyond what you mentioned and I agree it all could have happened without the retcon.

Good Dad Erik is so boring, so freaking boring, that's not my man, I miss the Erik trying to replace Pietro with a robot because he dared to have free will(?). I also really want the comedic potential of Erik trying to be a good dad and failing at every turn, I need an awkward family dinner again, the last one was decades ago.

I've been saying this for years, fuck the retcon and fuck Marvel.

I can keep this thread going for ages haha!

Firstly Marvel really should have just not done the retcon in the first place- even back in 2015 if was a matter of time before the movie rights to the X men came back to them (not that the movie rights should have done anything to the comics tbh)

But given the (stupid) direction they did go and given that Wanda has to "redeem" hereself for House of M (even though she already did that in avengers v X-Men and there are so many sexisit, racist and abelist tropes in how she's treated)... I can't help but wonder about a version of Trail of Mangneto where Magneto, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch all worked together to expand the protocols and "redeem" themselves- imagine a story where Mangetos metaphorical trail in examining his role in his children's lives and actual conversations with his kids to at least attempt to reconcile their differences or examine the toxic dynamic they all have (heck I can accept a - I'm glad we're not biological family anymore but I can acknowledge the degree to which you shaped my life- doesn't mean I forgive you or were good for each other but we're all bound either way). Lorna is pulled in along the way and the ending has Pietro and Wanda just chilling together and talking about what they went through and how their relationships have changed while Magneto watches from the distance - a bookend to the sceans of the twins clutching each other sadly before Pietro makes the desperate decision to ask Wanda to change reality to save her life.

I also agree with you that Wanda and Lorna's relationship went into fluffy territory to quickly and seeing them actually building their relationship would have been more compelling like they did for Lorna and Pietro (especially since for Lorna she got depowered after M day but had none of the context for the pain Wanda was going through or a significant past. The situation sucked for Wanda but from Lorna's perspective her half sister did this devastating thing then disappeared for years and reached out acting like that elephant in the room didn't exist unlike their brother who for all his faults and bad attitude did try reach out to her when he saw her in a bad place and was her friend beforehand)

Like again lots of interesting stories and relationships but sadly no interest from the comics in developing them.

It's also frustrating to have Pietro always be portrayed as the bad guy in Wanda's stories to make Magneto, Wanda, Vision or whomever Wanda's latest love interest look better. It's just wiredly sexist storytelling and it hampers the use of Pietro as a character (who when written well can be a really fun character and as interesting as any of his other family members. I find Pietro/Magneto play super well of each other dramatically as they're both motivated by love but Magneto will do everything for his dream whereas with Pietro it's family). The House of M book in 2015 which made Pietro put to be a villain and Wanda some anger management mum while Magneto got good treatment was just gross as well.

Sorry I've been rambling- it's just frustrating to see so much potential be wasted!

The current Marvel found family direction also just ignores Magda, Django and Marya to prop up Magneto which is a shame!

Dadneto is getting more cringe every other day.

Seriously the AXIS retcon and Marvel’s obsession to make Magnus family still a thing leads to all kinds of shit writing.(Not really in this particular case but still I don’t like the word used here.) I don’t mind Joseph’s writing here but seriously calling Magneto that is weird.

Because they lose the bloodties, now Marvel needs other justifications to still sell them as a family. To the point they need to conjure none-existent family affections for them(cough Trial of Magneto where Wanda acted like a timid teenage girl).

Let’s call Magneto Wanda’s adoptive father even though dude never raised her, unless you count being a shitty ex-boss as being a parent. Not to mention she actually had adoptive parents, you know the ones where the Maximoff name came from? Django who stared down the face of an Elder God and saved his daughter, and Marya who is actually still alive in Robinson’s Scarlet Witch run. But let’s make Erik and Wanda play wholesome daddy and his little girl and pretend they had this nice family relationship and quietly erase those who actually loved and cared for the twins because Magneto is the far more popular character right? Why don’t we replace Uncle Ben with Tony Stark while we are at it?

Can we just restore the blood ties and make them estranged biological family again? I like Wanda better when she took her allegiance and affection seriously.

And as much as I love Wanda for being a sentimental person, writers’ constant mishandling of her family relationship just makes me wish she is more of a stonehearted bitch who doesn’t give a damn.

Preach haha! Even the new uncanny avengers has a line about Pietro not getting the chance to reconcile with Magneto and it’s like WTF- Magneto murdered his son, was willing to let Wanda be murdered, neglected and used Lorna as a battery and was expressly physically and mentally abusive to the twins when they were teenagers (he tried to pimp Wanda out to Namor as well if I recall).

The Magnet family is absolutely fascinating and the retcon should be undone but that only works with the blood ties and not this adoptive family angle - it also pushes out Pietro cause there is no way writers can make the adoptive family angle work.

Erik was also happy to let his children take the full blame for House of M and have Wanda mocked as the pretender when he and the other avengers/X-Men had there roles to play in the House of M debacle - I stand by Wanda and Pietro being victims of the whole mess as well.

Marvel will just get more respect if they undo the retcon and admit it was a mistake. I really enjoy all these characters but I hate marvel trying to have it’s cake and eat it too.

Having them as a happy family is fine in fannon but doesn’t work in cannon (found family works less so)- frankly it makes the characters less interesting and complex.

Having victims of abuse be the ones to forgive and to work to reconcile with their abuser when said person doesn’t have to make effort for forgiveness is unfortunate and it erases Magda, Django and Marya - all Romani characters who deserved better.

We don’t need to make Magneto a good dad or a flawlessly good person - that’s not why people like him.

Have to ask, everyone here agrees their relationship was just the worst, so why have any connection at all?  We went years without the twins having any form of communication with him, and it was fine for them. Pietro calmed down a little, just focused on being an Avenger and going on some dates.  Just made every day a me day.  The only flaw was no him bonding with Luna. Wanda was curious on who their parents were and discovered a strong magic line (also expanding Marvel’s magic side), along with still some unanswered questions to explore later.  The best as put by OP found out her step-mom Marya is alive.  Yet Wanda’s family dinner excluded her and Luna. What about Magneto and as well Polaris, well they just found out their family got a whole lot smaller and bonded.  It also came out good.  To many people are angry at the retcon, coming off almost hypocritical as him being their father was a retcon.  One day Magneto wasn’t their father, then he finds a talking cow who tells him they are his children.  Truly this was set up in a compelling story and that’s why the twins didn’t have a previous retcon on who their parents were. 

Hey, since you reblogged from me I feel the need to hop in and say that yes their dynamic was a mess and THAT’S why we liked it, we want them to have a connection because it gives for amazing stories that explore these characters lives, conflicts, traumas and development.

I respect your opinion but I think them having a difficult relationship was one of the most interesting things that could happen to their characters and the retcon ruined it.

I don’t see how it is hypocrisy to be mad at the retcon just because Magneto being their dad was also a retcon, it was one that made sense and opened the door for several interesting storylines that marked these characters deeply.

As a Quicksilver fan especially I love the dynamic between Pietro and Erik, it was so important for his character, to explore what it meant to be linked to a man that hurt him so much and that has such a different world-view from him, it’s powerful to see Pietro stand firmly in his convictions against Magneto despite their blood bond. There’s some strong angst in their relationship that I loved to read and now it’s all gone.

Also there was zero reason for Marvel to need a retcon in order to write Lorna and Erik interacting, that was just them being shitty and deciding to use Lorna only when they didn’t have more choices.

The retcon and the current “found family” angle aren’t disliked because the fans want to see these characters being a perfect blood related family, we want them to be a blood related mess that is entertaining to read and Marvel took that away from us.

I would be more eloquent if I wasn’t tired but that’s basically it, I want them to be a family like they used to be because I like drama.

Well said! The examples given by xkeyon are also stuff that didn’t need the retcon to happen and just cause something was a retcon before doesn’t necessarily mean it’s hypocritical not to like a further retcon. Nothing was stopping Lorna and Magneto bonding, Wanda could have still embarked on the witches road, run into Marya (who hasn’t been mentioned since) and we could have learned that Magda’s families were the previous scarlet witches. Stories exploring the twins Romani heritage like Quicksilver no surrender and the events leading up to it still could have happened.

The retcon of making magneto their father was a well thought out one built up over a few years and worked so perfectly with previous cannon. The retcon removing those ties was a spiteful move motivated by rights issues with no planning- marvel itself ignores it any chance it gets except for some reason undoing it entirely when it’s clear many of it’s writers would like that. It also cheapens the impact of stories like Dissembled, house of M and children’s cruisade - some super pivotal stories for the marvel universe as a whole with house of M being one of the most iconic marvel stories of all time and it doesn’t hit the same with the knowledge the twins were never Magneto’s children and mutants. It also makes Wanda’s iconic line have even more unfortunate implications.

I mean Magneto looses his family and it turns out that he had family all along in the two he recruited and abused as vulnerable children. The twins in a beautiful moment of unity and their growth from their difficult childhoods are ready for a new chapter with the birth of Luna and then their abuser walks in and declares himself their father. How to people on opposite ends of the fight reconcile their relationship - it’s all super facinating stuff with so much story potential - in contrast what did the second retcon do- it didn’t help any of those characters.

This family is enjoyed because it is a mess and that messy dynamic takes the time to explore the characters in a neauance. Yes a happy family is fun in fannon but for this particular family that is not the cannon case and a fluffy happy family in this medium would be boring.

What is hypocritical is marvels current move of refusing it made a mistake and undoing the retcon no one wanted while trying to push for a fluffy happy family angle which is contrary to why people loved this family and glorifies magneto at the expense of the children he hurt (or push some of those kids out of the picture entirely). Lorna and Wanda’s relationship and any to Mags to his kids isn’t earned and we could have gotten actual stories of them trying to work things out but nope- they’re just a happy family now which they never were before.

Magnet Siblings ftw! I redraw an old Wolverine and the X-Men screencap with my own designs and added Pietro to the scene because I never understand when shows make Pietro super devoted to Magneto, I’ve always seen him as the first one to tell him to get out. (If I’m wrong I’d like to hear it, but not if it’s Ultimate Pietro cause yeah….) Also first time drawing Lorna! 

2024 will be the year for the House of M it seems

Wanda and Pietro are mutants and will always be Erik’s kids and Lorna will always be their sister, screw the retcons

current Maximoff pet theory

Everyone knows the retcon is stupid. So let’s explain it away!

Why cut the Maximoffs off from Krakoa? Because little Luna Maximoff knows when someone is being mind-controlled and shows possible signs of precognition. (I think that was just everyone forgetting what her powers are/how they work, but I’m willing to go with it.) Let her visit even once, and the jig is up.

This could’ve been solved by manipulating things so that Luna appears to be someone else’s daughter, but that would have caused (1) Pietro to immediately flip his shit, (2) Wanda to immediately flip her shit, and (3) Medusa to immediately flip her shit, and (4) a paternity test, which would have revealed the manipulation.

So, really, manipulating things so that Wanda and Pietro appear to not be Magneto’s kids was the easier way to keep Luna and her powers away from Krakoa.

Who’s doing the manipulating? Not Magneto. Xavier doesn’t have that kind of power on his own, but he has telepathy and zero qualms about using said telepathy to fuck with/up anybody he pleases. (War hero and king of a sovereign nation Namor. Magneto. His own students. Himself. Every woman he’s ever dated, apparently.  And so on.)

So my current pet theory is that, in the original timeline, the retcon didn’t happen, Luna visited Aunt Lorna on Krakoa and said, “Hey, there’s mind control spores in everyone’s brains?!” and started fighting spores, alerted her dad and other heroes, and that was the end of Krakoa. It took like an hour.

Xavier and Moira hated that. Xavier and Moira put together a small team of mutants including someone with time travel powers, someone with heavy-duty reality-warping or manipulation powers, and someone to troubleshoot whatever fuckups the first two might cause, and then sent them back in time to prevent Luna Maximoff from ever visiting Krakoa. Thus, the retcon.

anyways remember this

ma’am you can’t leave that in the tags @boyimpossible

#galactus wouldn’t lie to me I know it

If you think I'm reading Trial of Magneto for the plot you are dead wrong. I am here for 2 things!!!

1. Seeing the retcon undone

2. Watching this trash fire of a family reunion

I'VE DONE MY WAITING. 6 YEARS OF IT.

every day i miss them

All New X-Factor 009 (2014)

Whenever Pietro tries to add his thoughts into a conversation.

Pietro "I hate my dad" Maximoff in Avengers: The Children's Crusade

+ this gem from Avengers vs. X-Men

what divorce (and finding out that your dad is not actually your dad because of a stupid petty retcon the high evolutionary just wanted to fuck with you) can do to a family

The Maximoff Twins - Charles and the X-Men’s Missed Opportunities