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It was an evening of grey fog that had crept in from the gulf, swathed the harbor, filled the glens and valleys, and clung heavily to the autumnal meadows. Through it the sea sobbed and shuddered.

period drama + fog/mist

  • THE SECRET GARDEN (1993)
  • JANE EYRE (2011)
  • EMMA. (2020)
  • PRIDE AND PREJUDICE (2005)
  • ANNE WITH AN E (2017 - 2019)
  • THE HANDMAIDEN (2016)
  • THE WOMAN IN BLACK (2012)
  • BRIDGERTON (2020 - )
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What I love about Northanger Abbey is that all of her other heroines had Something: Elinor was sensible, she was a great counselor, Marianne is passionate with talent in music and in the arts, Elizabeth is witty, has great humor and is strong-willed, Fanny is sweet, almost too good and giving to a fault, Emma is pretty, rich, her most unique heroine in that she purposely made her difficult to like, Anne is keenly observant, prides herself on how she improves her mind, is reliant

Meanwhile Jane wrote Catherine and was like she is literally just some girl there is absolutely nothing special about her and i think that's lovely

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Rating Jane Austen Proposals*

*just the major ones in her main six novels

Edward Ferrars to Elinor Dashwood

  • Entirely unexpected (the Dashwoods all thought he was already married to Lucy Steele)
  • Elinor cries happy tears of joy and relief
  • Owns up to his foolishness from before
  • Had surprise and eager acceptance on his side but he could have avoided so much drama and heartache by being honest in the first place. At least he's a man of principle.
  • 7/10

Mr. Collins to Elizabeth Bennet

  • Wants to get married because Catherine de Bourgh told him to
  • Does try to alleviate the Bennet's future financial distress by proposing to one of the daughters
  • Doesn't listen to Elizabeth at all
  • Refuses to take Elizabeth's clear no and thinks "no means I'm flirting and actually mean yes"
  • 1/10

Mr. Darcy to Elizabeth Bennet (#1)

  • Proposes because his feelings overcome his "better judgement" and he can't take it anymore
  • Insults her family's lack of propriety and connections and how he's degrading himself to marry someone so inferior
  • Was completely confident that she would say yes because of his wealth and importance even though he had separated Mr. Bingley and her sister
  • Responds in anger from his wounded pride when she says no and insults her family some more
  • Rating this higher than Mr. Colin's proposal because we all love the enemies-to-eventual-lovers tension and spit-fire back and forth
  • 3/10

Mr. Darcy to Elizabeth Bennet (#2)

  • Prompted by Elizabeth thanking him doing everything to solve the crisis with Lydia running away with Wickham, which he didn't even mean for Elizabeth to find out about
  • States his feelings for her clearly before asking for hers
  • But "one word from you will silence me on this subject for ever"
  • He just puts his heart out there but is willing to walk away and take her reply as a final answer instead of forever trying to wear her down or forever bother her!!!
  • Owns up to his pride and how Elizabeth challenged him to change
  • They continue talking and walking, happy and in love, with Elizabeth too overcome to look him in the eye. Ah restrained regency love!
  • 10/10

Henry Crawford to Fanny Price

  • Is genuinely in love for once instead of wanting to toy with a woman's affections out of boredom
  • Helps her brother William get a promotion and shares this with his proposal (Could be seen as manipulative)
  • Doesn't listen to Fanny when she tells him to stop talking because it's distressing her
  • Won't take no for an answer
  • He and everyone else thinks she's going to make him a better man (Be a better man on your own! It's not a woman's job to transform you!)
  • 2/10 - (my apologies to the shippers)

Edward Bertram to Fanny Price

  • It happens?
  • We don't get many details in the text
  • Fanny ends up with the one she wanted even though he's not great
  • 4/10

Mr. Elton to Emma Woodhouse

  • Insults Emma's friend Harriet, calling Harriet way beneath him, when Emma says she thought he had been interested in Harriet
  • Full of empty flattery - he isn't actually in love with her
  • Just interested in her large dowry and high social standing
  • After Emma rejects him, he writes a petty letter to Mr. Woodhouse saying he's leaving town for a while, purposely leaving her out of the letter
  • Quickly revenge-rebound-marries another young lady of wealth
  • 0/10

Mr. Knightly to Emma Woodhouse

  • Is willing to not say it at first when Emma tells him to stop
  • Admits his shortcomings and his tender love for her
  • He waits to hear her answer
  • "If I loved you less, I might be able to talk about it more"
  • 9/10

John Thorpe to Catherine Morland

  • Barely counts as a proposal
  • "Did you ever hear the old song 'Going to One Wedding Brings on Another?' " (Seriously, what?)
  • Say you're bad at communicating clearly without saying you're bad at communicating clearly
  • Only wants to marry her because he mistakenly thinks she's a wealthy heiress
  • -3/10

Henry Tilney to Catherine Morland

  • After finding out why his father threw Catherine out, tells his father in passionate anger that he loves Catherine and intends to marry her, and refuses to go with General Tilney to Herefordshire
  • Instead goes straight to Catherine's home to propose
  • Combined with mortification and deep apologies for the way his father treated Catherine
  • Is willing to part ways with his father over it
  • A mix of love and anger and asking for forgiveness
  • They eventually get his father's approval
  • 8/10

Captain Wentworth to Anne Elliot (#2)

  • Puts a note on a table and gives a look and leaves
  • The most romantic letter in the history of time
  • "I am half agony half hope"
  • Confesses his foolish pride and regrets his resentment
  • Asks for but a word, a look
  • So much relief after so much angst
  • 100/10

Bonus: Mr. Martin to Harriet Smith

  • Gets Mr. Knightly's advice before proposing
  • Short and sweet (A short letter doesn't mean it's bad, Harriet!)
  • Is still civil and kind to her after she says no even though it's awkward
  • Extra sweet because they eventually end up together
  • 9/10

How would you rate these proposals?

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Okay just throwing this in here:

Henry’s whole “A countrydance is an emblem of marriage” speech is… The whole scene is so delightful and it tells us so much. It tells us that Eleanor 100% told him of her conversation with Catherine, being an A+ wingwoman, even though she probably thought Catherine was a bit forward about it but eh…

But also, Henry is 100% okay with Catherine’s attraction to him. He can absolutely see this going somewhere serious. BUT only if she really means it and won’t flirt with other men. He’s really, at the beginning of their SECOND dance, in chapter 10 of 31, telling her in no uncertain terms that he’d make for a very faithful husband but expects the same of a wife, and thus he won’t be trifled with… but if she’s willing to commit to this he’d be totally game to see where it goes. And he wants her to commit to this ( Now you have given me a security worth having; and I shall proceed with courage. )

It’s common to talk about how hard Catherine crushes on him, but boy, he’s got it bad, too xD Catherine, with her open, accidentally forward, and very loving nature sure made an impression on him. He still needs to really GET her, but he clearly likes what he saw (and obviously heard) of her so far.

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In Emma, the incident that sparks the story isn't a death or a loss of fortune or even someone new coming to town. It's a wedding. A happy event, usually the end of a story. But I like how this acknowledges that even a happy event like a wedding can bring its own kind of sorrow. Emma's happy for Miss Taylor, but she still mourns the way that her life has to change. Marriage can massively alter social circles, especially for women, taking them away from the home sphere and into a new life, and forcing the people they leave behind to deal with the loss. Here, it's a good change, but it's still a change.

Emma's in a unique position among Austen heroines. She's got money, a comfortable home, a loving father who would prefer she stay in his household for the rest of her life. She doesn't have to consider matrimony as a business arrangement the way some heroines have to. If she marries, it's going to be almost solely for companionship.

Because that's the one thing Emma lacks. She's lonely. She loves her father, but he's not someone she can engage with socially or intellectually. She ranks above everyone in town, so there's no one who can be on an equal level with her. Her father won't travel, so she can't get involved in social events with people who are of her rank and happen to live a little further out. Her attachment to Harriet is a desperate attempt to create a companion of her own social rank, and then marry her to Elton so she can remain in Emma's social circle. Mrs. Martin would be just another farmer's wife who sits below Emma's level; Mrs. Elton can be her equal.

But we can't overlook the fact that Emma makes the situation worse through snobbery. She's not only of a higher social rank than the people around her--she feels herself superior to them. Her father has plenty of friends, but to her, Mrs. Goddard and Miss Bates are just "prosy old ladies". Which is fine--they're more of her father's age, not hers. But it does indicate a wider personality problem. There's more than a hint of Mr. Darcy about the way she goes about detaching Harriet from Mr. Martin because he's so "coarse and vulgar", and trying to raise her up to Emma's standards of what's acceptable.

So, anyway, Emma's uniquely positioned in a story where friends-to-lovers has to be the character arc. And in the process, she's got to overcome her sense of superiority that makes it so difficult for her to classify people as friends.

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Rey made explicit what she wanted throughout the 3 films in the Sequel Trilogy. What makes me sad is that at the end of her Sequel Trilogy, TROS / LucasFilm completely ignores the character's wishes. I'm so tired! The feeling I have is that they don't care about Rey's wishes. That they only care about the Jedi and the rebuilding of the New Jedi Order, something Rey never explicitly said she wanted. She sought Jedi training because she found herself sensitive to Force, not because it was her dream. Rey was not looking for power, she was looking for belonging.

Rey could have her wishes fulfilled and still rebuild the New Jedi Order, but they chose to ignore her wishes and give her only the surname of a dead family and the burden of rebuilding the New Jedi Order. 😥

Leia also made clear her desire to have her son back. And it was shown in TROS that she wanted him alive, that she wanted her son to have a long life, and for that reason she stopped being a Jedi when she saw the vision of Ben's death. TROS also ignored Leia's desire. 😭

We watched Star Wars because of the characters. We want the best for our heroes and heroines and that their wishes are taken into account and fulfilled. Honestly, I hope LucasFilm fixes that.

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moonachilles

Jane Austen really said ‘I respect the “I can fix him” movement but that’s just not me. He’ll fix himself if knows what’s good for him’ and that’s why her works are still calling the shots today.

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nitewrighter

Meanwhile Emily Brönte just said “We can make each other worse.” 

Mary Shelley said, "I can make him

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